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Post by diedpretty » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 9:19 pm

diedpretty wrote:
Mon 06 Aug, 2018 9:08 pm
Yossarian wrote:
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You don't have to be Mystic Meg to predict Gus sacking someone. It's what he does best.
Ah yes but i picked it a month ago - and threw in the twister of Ivan back to penriff
I'm just having a laugh at the whole situation - there is no way Ivan would go back - i think.


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Post by clifferdSH » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 9:20 pm

Absolutely no chance, it would make no sense

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 9:24 pm

Here’s another conspiracy theory for all the tin foilers

What if what if what if the reason the club has been so quiet on the recruitment front the last few weeks is because we don’t have a coach for 2019 as of yet to do any recruiting.....

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Post by swag tiger » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 9:36 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Mon 06 Aug, 2018 9:24 pm
Here’s another conspiracy theory for all the tin foilers

What if what if what if the reason the club has been so quiet on the recruitment front the last few weeks is because we don’t have a coach for 2019 as of yet to do any recruiting.....
Thank you GNR4LIFE now that will became reality.
I have family in Balmain and the Western suburbs so i guess that makes me a Balmain Westie

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Post by Muffstar » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 9:38 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Mon 06 Aug, 2018 9:24 pm
Here’s another conspiracy theory for all the tin foilers

What if what if what if the reason the club has been so quiet on the recruitment front the last few weeks is because we don’t have a coach for 2019 as of yet to do any recruiting.....
I think some of the kiddies on here won't be able to sleep tonight after reading this :)


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Post by GNR4LIFE » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 9:39 pm

Just covering all the bases.

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Post by swag tiger » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 9:48 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Mon 06 Aug, 2018 9:39 pm
Just covering all the bases.
And giving us all night terrors.
I have family in Balmain and the Western suburbs so i guess that makes me a Balmain Westie

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Post by Tiger Steve » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 9:50 pm

Ok so some of you are taking the piss because me (and others) are a bit worried.

Firstly - it’s differences of opinions by many posters that keeps this forum interesting

Secondly - I’m so used to having all Wests Tigers plans crapped on I’m seeing this as a sad but inevitable outcome

BUT I do believe Ivan to be an honourable man so am trusting his word will be upheld
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Post by NT Tiger » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 10:04 pm

Well, there is one more possibility to consider.
It was the Penrith Board (not Gould) that sacked Griffin with the plan to get Ivan Cleary to come back. Ivan said OK heres the deal, get rid of the muppetmaster and I'll come back.
Gould doesn't know it yet. he'll find out tomorrow.
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Post by hobbo » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 10:13 pm

NT Tiger wrote:
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Well, there is one more possibility to consider.
It was the Penrith Board (not Gould) that sacked Griffin with the plan to get Ivan Cleary to come back. Ivan said OK heres the deal, get rid of the muppetmaster and I'll come back.
Gould doesn't know it yet. he'll find out tomorrow.
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Post by trafford10 » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 10:15 pm

TigerSJ wrote:
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Nathan supposedly is making his decision in November. Unless Ivan asks for a release from the final 2 years of his contract with us, and we grant it (which I doubt would happen) I don’t see how it affects us. Gus is scared.
Guss appoints fittler cleary decides to play under him.
My thoughts as well. Fittler with his history at the club and his SOO connection is the perfect choice and is probably the only coach that Nathan would postpone his reunion with Ivan for. My view is that Nathan will re-sign with Panthers and Dad and son will end up at the Roosters or similar at the end of Nathan's next contract. Ivan will resign at the Tigers to coincide with that date.
No...Ivan back to the Panthers & Robbie captain coach at WT. Robbie can get two pay cheques.

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Post by Cairnstigers » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 10:16 pm

No doubt Ivan will be hammered in the media by questions about his coaching future at the Tigers
It will give the media a story to run with
For the Club and Players he will need to put this to bed very quickly and announce that he is not going anywhere
We need Ivan to stay as a show of strength for our club
Re sign him I say
3 more years
That will tell us if Nathan is coming
Nothing illegal about that
Will also help us with future signings
What Message will it send to the Nrl community if Ivan ditches the Tigers for Penrith
Ivan wouldn't do that to us
Would he ?
He has a job to do here at the tigers

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 10:22 pm

I never thought I'd see Farah back with us so I can't be certain but I cannot for the life of me see him going back.
And she's turning cold, at fifteen years old,
Taken too much slow, minds gone out to sea on the P&O,
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Post by Marshall_magic » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 10:58 pm

Seems bizarre for him to go, the comp is wide open, Penrith are probably 4th favourites in my opinion (Roosters, Souths & Melbourne ahead of them), I can't see how they're better off with Ciraldo. That said, Ciraldo could potentially go into a grand final in his 7th game as a top flight coach. The whole thing is crazy, surely there's more to the story.

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Post by dazza65 » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 11:03 pm

Seriously. IC is a man, who would want to go back to a place where you were sacked, knowing the ONLY reason they want you is to secure your son, give me a break. IC has more balls than accepting that - he wasnt good enough a few years back supposedly but he is now? BS
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Post by PrattenParkMagpie » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 11:07 pm

happy tiger wrote:
Mon 06 Aug, 2018 6:05 pm
Geo. wrote:
Mon 06 Aug, 2018 4:27 pm
hobbo wrote:
Mon 06 Aug, 2018 4:25 pm
Maybe Gould will try and poach Ivan so father and son will be together !
:shock:
My thought too Gus wants Ivan back..
I reckon they will be after Trent Barrett
Could be on the money Happy, heard a week back that Penrith were looking to get rid of Griffin for Barrett (ex Penrith assistant coach under Cleary).
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Post by PrattenParkMagpie » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 11:13 pm

851 wrote:
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If the $800,000 payout figure mentioned is correct, Griffin would be laughing all the way to the bank. He gets the heavy weight of Gould off his back and constantly looking over his shoulder, as well as needing to justify everything game plan and team decision he has made. How relieved he must now feel.
The $800k was supposedly the agreed value, he was still owed over $1,000,000k if he stayed his tenure
And the $800,000 is included in their Football Operations salary cap, may have to look for a new coach at a budget price.
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Post by AnnandaleTiger » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 11:17 pm

Griffin's sacking paves the way for Cleary connection at Panthers

Andrew Webster6 August 2018 — 9:28pm
Penrith’s decision to sack coach Anthony Griffin just four weeks out from the finals, with the side sitting on the edge of the top four, has stunned everyone except those within the four walls of the club.

Griffin had lost the faith of some of the players by the end of last year, lost more in the grind of this season, and then lost the Panthers board following the 50-18 loss to Brisbane at Suncorp Stadium three weeks ago.

Decisions, decisions: Nathan and Ivan Cleary appear likely to link up at club level – at some point.
Decisions, decisions: Nathan and Ivan Cleary appear likely to link up at club level – at some point.
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He’d lost the faith of Panthers general manager of football, Phil Gould, long before that. Gould told Griffin on Monday morning his contract was being torn up, ending three days of tense negotiations involving Griffin’s manager Wayne Beavis, who is also close to Gould.

But the most intriguing twist is yet to come: who replaces Griffin and, most importantly, what does it mean when it comes to re-signing star halfback Nathan Cleary? The answer might be his father, Ivan Cleary, coach of the Wests Tigers.

Well before the Panthers released their statement confirming Griffin’s departure, speculation had already cranked up about the club making a bold bid for the coach Gould sacked at the end of 2015 with one season remaining on his contract … to make way for Griffin.

As this column understands it, an announcement on Penrith’s new coach could be made within days if the delicate pieces of the puzzle fall into place.

Ivan isn’t off contract with the Tigers until the end of 2020. Nathan is off contract at the Panthers at the end of next season.

Both father and son have been making plenty of noises in recent weeks about being at the same club in the near future.

The Roosters were tossed up as a possible home. Then the Broncos. Tigers fans had every right to think it would be their club. Ivan only arrived there last year.

Privately, though, Tigers management has been cautious. It knows that Ivan is close to Panthers chairman David O’Neill, just like Nathan is close to his Penrith teammates.

Gone: Panthers coach Anthony Griffin has been sacked a month out from the NRL finals.
Gone: Panthers coach Anthony Griffin has been sacked a month out from the NRL finals.
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Meanwhile, the worst kept secret in the game about the poisonous situation at Penrith has finally been confirmed, despite director Greg Alexander declaring only last month: “There’s absolutely no chance that Anthony Griffin will be leaving Penrith at least before his current contract expires.”

Griffin didn’t even make it to the end of the season.

Panthers chief executive Brian Fletcher said in a statement: “There has been much speculation and rumours about the club and head coach Anthony Griffin over the last few weeks. After discussions with Anthony Griffin it is time to end that speculation. By mutual agreement, the club and Anthony have agreed to part ways, effective immediately.”

Speculation and rumours confirmed!

It is also set to cost Penrith heavily. Griffin was only re-signed in October last year on a deal believed to be worth $800,000 per season. That’s a $1.6 million payout for the final two years of his contract.

While the board might have lost faith in the coach, there’s no doubt the fractured relationship between Griffin and Gould has cost him his job. There was only ever going to be one winner in that battle, although Gould is said to be worn down by events of the past few months, having tried to help Griffin regain the faith of the players and his own coaching staff.

You sense, though, this was always going to end in tears.

United? Ivan Cleary and his son Nathan has spoken about their desire to join forces, but where?
United? Ivan Cleary and his son Nathan has spoken about their desire to join forces, but where?
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During last year’s World Cup, Panthers players scattered to their respective countries and some whinged to their teammates about their dissatisfaction with Griffin. The gossip quickly spread.

Despite this, Gould was adamant his coach wasn’t under threat, believing much of the criticism was being levelled at him by old foes in the media.

With problem children like Matt Moylan and Bryce Cartwright squeezed out, Griffin was supposedly in charge of a happy team again.

When Penrith flogged competition leaders St George Illawarra on the eve of the State of Origin series, they suddenly became premiership favourites in a season in which there have been five premiership favourites.

Since Origin, and despite their place on the ladder, Penrith have looked shaky. In the last month, they have conceded 129 points in defence: a 24-12 loss to the Sharks; a 50-18 loss to the Broncos; a 28-14 win over Manly after trailing by 18 points with 13 minutes remaining; and then Sunday’s 40-31 win against Canberra.

Decision time: Phil Gould, Penrith's general manager of football, arrives for an event at Alpha restaurant on Monday night.
Decision time: Phil Gould, Penrith's general manager of football, arrives for an event at Alpha restaurant on Monday night.
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Nail-biting wins over inferior opposition has only disguised the problems with their football team. They missed 29 tackles against the Raiders.

Indeed, Griffin could’ve been sacked earlier but problematic for Gould has been finding a suitable replacement. Michael Maguire? Wayne Bennett? Des Hasler?

Griffin’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, will be the caretaker coach for the rest of the season but is considered a year or so away from being an NRL coach.

Gould unleashed on Twitter last week about rumours he had signed Manly coach Trent Barrett and John Cartwright. Both parties are adamant they have not spoken to each other.

If Penrith doesn’t pull off the coaching coup of the decade and entice Ivan Cleary back to the club that only sacked him three years ago, they might have to have a conversation.

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