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Re: Coaching circus

Post by Pawsandclaws » Thu 16 Aug, 2018 5:45 pm

barra wrote:
Thu 16 Aug, 2018 10:13 am
Telltails wrote:
Wed 15 Aug, 2018 6:01 pm
Greg Alexander just said Barrett and Bennett wiil definitely not be coaching at Penrith, and at this point they are looking at no one except Ciraldo at least till the end of the year.
That could mean many things and no doubt there will be lots of opinions.
I thought Brandy was very careful about how he said that, and actually looked very nervous about what he was saying!

The conspiracy theorist in me thought it was more about what he WASN'T saying... and I was hoping the panel would hit him with a nice direct question about Ivan Cleary still being in their sights but of course they gave their colleague a soft ride.

Gus busy channelling Michaelia Cash?


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Post by JRD » Thu 16 Aug, 2018 7:13 pm

Kerry Cogger wrote:
Thu 16 Aug, 2018 5:19 pm
Cairnstigers wrote:
Thu 16 Aug, 2018 1:00 pm
Looks like there are more coaches on the market then players at the moment
Reporters seem to be pushing the issues here
We all want to know the latest news going around
We just dont want the bull that comes out
Alot of this is speculation
If Seibold is a done deal to the Broncos how do they know
Where is the contract
Why hasn't it been announced
Who leaked the information
Pfffft
Broncos are 100% owned by News Ltd s you would have to think they may have some "inside" info.
Broncos are a publicly list club

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Post by The Patriot » Mon 20 Aug, 2018 7:47 pm

Its an opinion!

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Post by happy tiger » Mon 20 Aug, 2018 7:52 pm

Mac wrote:
Wed 15 Aug, 2018 9:01 pm
Gus Gould = Lloyd Williams
Robin Williams maybe , everyone is laughing at him

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Post by hobbo » Mon 20 Aug, 2018 7:58 pm

The Patriot wrote:
Mon 20 Aug, 2018 7:47 pm
This is so good!


https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/leag ... ews!694484
Brilliant !
We need mongrel ..
No more plodders !


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Post by diedpretty » Mon 20 Aug, 2018 8:59 pm

Managers, media and mischief ... but it wasn't always like this
Roy Masters
By Roy Masters
18 August 2018 — 8:18pm



Back before the last ice age, when dinosaurs roamed the Earth and rugby league coaches didn’t have to handle players as if they were Ming vases, and football club boards weren’t corporatised and there was no salary cap and, importantly, no agents, the coaching carousel only ground into gear when the season was over.

When I tell today’s coaches how I moved seamlessly from Wests to St George after the 1981 season, they become wistful and say something to the effect of: ‘‘I wish we could wind back the clock to those times.’’

Midway through the 1981 season, after Wests beat St George at Kogarah Oval, Dragons coach Harry Bath and club chief executive John Fleming pulled me aside at the bar of their leagues club. The away team drank beer with the home team back then.

‘‘Harry’s finishing up at the end of the season and we want you to coach us next season,’’ Fleming said. ‘‘You won’t hear another word until after the season.’’

That was it. Back to the beers.

I was in my final year at Wests and knew my effectiveness was diminishing. Wests weren’t pressuring me to re-sign.

Newspapers carried stories of Bath’s potential replacement, mainly inspired by former Dragons captain-coach Ian Walsh, who wrote a column in the Telegraph and wanted the job.

On a Sunday night, when both the Dragons’ and Magpies’ seasons were over, Fleming called my home and we arranged to meet at St George Leagues Club. After a brief discussion, he produced a copy of Harry’s contract, with the years and amounts blanked out. He then penned in my details in the appropriate places and we shook hands. ‘‘Flemmo’s’’ secretarial skills were limited, although, ironically, club chief executives were called ‘‘honorary secretaries’’ in those days.

Anyway, I then left St George Leagues Club for a barbecue at Lidcombe Oval and told the Wests committee and players. Back to the schooners.

Had a manager been involved, the story would have leaked via him trying to escalate the price by involving a third club, or contacting a mate in the media.

OK, money didn’t matter as much then because all of us, other than Jack Gibson, had day jobs.

Today, every coach, including the assistants, are ‘‘lifers’’. They progress from assistant to head coach and, when sacked, find another club as assistant until someone re-employs them as head coach.

It’s a closed system. No NRL club would ever countenance the possibility of bringing in an Alan Jones, as Balmain did with the former Wallabies coach in the early 1990s. Even sacked NRL coaches, such as Penrith’s Anthony Griffin, lampooned the man who sacked him, Phil Gould, for ‘‘not having coached for 20 years’’.

So, while many coaches concede they would prefer the working environment of 20 or 30years ago, some believe the game has progressed with such warp speed that its language and techniques are now known only to those educated in today’s system.

If they are so smart, how do they allow themselves to be represented by an agent who also acts for an opponent? Griffin’s manager is Wayne Beavis, who also has Manly coach Trent Barrett as a client and is a lifelong friend of and advisor to Gould. Conflict-of-interest considerations never seem to trouble managers when they have one position available for two candidates.

Beavis also represents the Sharks’ Shane Flanagan and John Cartwright, the former Titans’ boss who is now an assistant at Manly and could be re-elevated if Barrett leaves.

Prominent player manager Isaac Moses is positioning himself to control the next generation of coaches by contracting Souths’ Anthony Seibold and Storm assistant Adam O’Brien, who has recently agreed to join the Roosters as deputy to Trent Robinson.

Much of the misinformation that swirls through the NRL is the result of mischief by managers and a compliant media, with the collusion of coaches.

When a coach denies he has spoken to a rival club, he is technically telling the truth, while not revealing his manager has made contact. The process can spiral to produce double conspiracies. The Broncos are reported to be interested in Seibold to replace Wayne Bennett but, on the eve of the Brisbane-Souths game, former Rabbitohs coach Michael Maguire surfaced as a potential replacement. Why? To divert attention away from Seibold, who is yet to re-sign with Souths.

The player salary cap and an imminent ceiling on football department spending fuel the process. A strictly enforced budget means clubs regularly roll over players and coaches, meaning agents claw commission on the inevitable movement.

Back in the dinosaur days, a rich club could open the chequebook and buy a favourite son a team, as Manly did for former players Allan Thomson and Ray Ritchie.

The trend to corporatising NRL clubs, ensuring business acumen is represented, means many directors lack football savvy. They simply don’t understand the best coaching fit for the club culture.

Significantly, Wests Tigers have had the one of the biggest coaching turnovers in recent times. Since Tim Sheens left the club in 2012, Michael Potter, Jason Taylor and Ivan Cleary have been in charge.

Stability has only come since Wests acquired 75 per cent of the club and have outnumbered independents and Balmain directors. When he was linked with a return to Penrith, two Tigers directors reminded Cleary he had a contract. But will they resist a release if he signs for the Panthers from 2022?

Admittedly, a board can have too much football knowledge, or be swayed by it, as the machinations at Penrith have demonstrated.

Finally, player power can cause the coaching carousel to spin out of control.

Broncos captain Darius Boyd, a long-term Bennett devotee, has anointed Jason Demetriou as Bennett’s replacement, rather than Queensland coach and former Broncos assistant Kevin Walters. Appointing Demetriou would allow Bennett to sit over the top of him in a lucrative position as director of football. But that would require the resignation of chief executive Paul White, or a board upheaval.

Yet, despite all this instability, when NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg asked each club boss, in turn, at the end of a recent round-table conference if they had anything to add to the meeting, no one volunteered a thing.

‘‘Nothing?’’ asked Greenberg. ‘‘Not even a ban of poaching coaches while under contract?’’

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Post by innsaneink » Mon 20 Aug, 2018 9:43 pm

and Storm assistant Adam O’Brien, who has recently agreed to join the Roosters as deputy to Trent Robinson.


Interesting

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Post by jirskyr » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 12:55 pm

Typical Roy Masters, to have something half-entertaining then start making excessively pointed comments about Wests Magpies.

Stability only at Wests since the Magpies took 75% stake? Sure sure. No other clubs have have seen 3 coaches in 6 years, so long as you exclude Titans 2014-2018, Eels 2010-2014, Bulldogs 2008-2012, Warriors 2012-2017, Newcastle 2014-2016, Roosters 2007-2013, Manly 2011-2016, Sharks 2010-2015, Souths 2009-2012.

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Post by Telltails » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 1:08 pm

jirskyr wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 12:55 pm
Typical Roy Masters, to have something half-entertaining then start making excessively pointed comments about Wests Magpies.

Stability only at Wests since the Magpies took 75% stake? Sure sure. No other clubs have have seen 3 coaches in 6 years, so long as you exclude Titans 2014-2018, Eels 2010-2014, Bulldogs 2008-2012, Warriors 2012-2017, Newcastle 2014-2016, Roosters 2007-2013, Manly 2011-2016, Sharks 2010-2015, Souths 2009-2012.
Ha you can always rely on Roy to find an angle to dig the boot into the merger.

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Post by gallagher » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 1:12 pm

Telltails wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 1:08 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 12:55 pm
Typical Roy Masters, to have something half-entertaining then start making excessively pointed comments about Wests Magpies.

Stability only at Wests since the Magpies took 75% stake? Sure sure. No other clubs have have seen 3 coaches in 6 years, so long as you exclude Titans 2014-2018, Eels 2010-2014, Bulldogs 2008-2012, Warriors 2012-2017, Newcastle 2014-2016, Roosters 2007-2013, Manly 2011-2016, Sharks 2010-2015, Souths 2009-2012.
Ha you can always rely on Roy to find an angle to dig the boot into the merger.
Stability at board level is about it. The last coach was sacked by the board and 2 origin players walked. Smooth sailing..

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Post by jirskyr » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 1:19 pm

gallagher wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 1:12 pm
Telltails wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 1:08 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 12:55 pm
Typical Roy Masters, to have something half-entertaining then start making excessively pointed comments about Wests Magpies.

Stability only at Wests since the Magpies took 75% stake? Sure sure. No other clubs have have seen 3 coaches in 6 years, so long as you exclude Titans 2014-2018, Eels 2010-2014, Bulldogs 2008-2012, Warriors 2012-2017, Newcastle 2014-2016, Roosters 2007-2013, Manly 2011-2016, Sharks 2010-2015, Souths 2009-2012.
Ha you can always rely on Roy to find an angle to dig the boot into the merger.
Stability at board level is about it. The last coach was sacked by the board and 2 origin players walked. Smooth sailing..
Catch-22 right? You need on-field success to truly be stable, but you can't be successful without off-field stability.

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Post by gallagher » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 4:58 pm

jirskyr wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 1:19 pm
gallagher wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 1:12 pm
Telltails wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 1:08 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 12:55 pm
Typical Roy Masters, to have something half-entertaining then start making excessively pointed comments about Wests Magpies.

Stability only at Wests since the Magpies took 75% stake? Sure sure. No other clubs have have seen 3 coaches in 6 years, so long as you exclude Titans 2014-2018, Eels 2010-2014, Bulldogs 2008-2012, Warriors 2012-2017, Newcastle 2014-2016, Roosters 2007-2013, Manly 2011-2016, Sharks 2010-2015, Souths 2009-2012.
Ha you can always rely on Roy to find an angle to dig the boot into the merger.
Stability at board level is about it. The last coach was sacked by the board and 2 origin players walked. Smooth sailing..
Catch-22 right? You need on-field success to truly be stable, but you can't be successful without off-field stability.
The board needs to be quality aswell as stable. And with no members to vote them in or out you can end up with non performers on the board for years.

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Post by Kerry Cogger » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 5:08 pm

jirskyr wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 12:55 pm
Typical Roy Masters, to have something half-entertaining then start making excessively pointed comments about Wests Magpies.

Stability only at Wests since the Magpies took 75% stake? Sure sure. No other clubs have have seen 3 coaches in 6 years, so long as you exclude Titans 2014-2018, Eels 2010-2014, Bulldogs 2008-2012, Warriors 2012-2017, Newcastle 2014-2016, Roosters 2007-2013, Manly 2011-2016, Sharks 2010-2015, Souths 2009-2012.

But I would say we do look a hell of a lot stronger off the field these days re memberships,direction etc.

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