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Re: Toddy Payten

Post by Goose » Mon 15 Aug, 2011 10:37 am

Father time has certainly caught up with Todd, he is not the player he was, I guess the million dollar question is the non football stuff he brings to the team (experience, cool head, effect on other players and all of that) enough to warrant his selection.
TBH Im not sure what is the the right thing to do with Todd, he is not producing but, I reckon he is still contributing in other ways.....tough call either way.

If Fifita or BMM starts playing the house down and demands selection on form, well im all for them coming in for Payten, if no one sticks there hand up, Payten to stay, i think....


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Post by 851 » Mon 15 Aug, 2011 11:52 am

Goose wrote:Father time has certainly caught up with Todd, he is not the player he was, I guess the million dollar question is the non football stuff he brings to the team (experience, cool head, effect on other players and all of that) enough to warrant his selection.
TBH Im not sure what is the the right thing to do with Todd, he is not producing but, I reckon he is still contributing in other ways.....tough call either way.

If Fifita or BMM starts playing the house down and demands selection on form, well im all for them coming in for Payten, if no one sticks there hand up, Payten to stay, i think....
That is about how I see it too,if Fifita,BMM or even Begavich are playing better,then maybe its time.
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Post by alexaki » Mon 15 Aug, 2011 12:18 pm

851 wrote:
Goose wrote:Father time has certainly caught up with Todd, he is not the player he was, I guess the million dollar question is the non football stuff he brings to the team (experience, cool head, effect on other players and all of that) enough to warrant his selection.
TBH Im not sure what is the the right thing to do with Todd, he is not producing but, I reckon he is still contributing in other ways.....tough call either way.

If Fifita or BMM starts playing the house down and demands selection on form, well im all for them coming in for Payten, if no one sticks there hand up, Payten to stay, i think....
That is about how I see it too,if Fifita,BMM or even Begavich are playing better,then maybe its time.
Fifita's form, since he announced he's off to Cronulla, has been very ordinary to say the least....He has potential but little else...a bit like Moltzen....Good luck to both of them as they line up against each other in the NSW cup in 2012...

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Post by adamtiger » Mon 15 Aug, 2011 12:44 pm

Hes a good off the bench for the fact it gives an opportunity for highno to take a breather, he goes on for 20 highno plays 60 and hes fresh, last week highno had a little break and he was very explosive in the second half. Yes todd did not make any runs but his D was still decent around the ruck made 14 tackles no missed tackles which is good.

If can keep playing this role its good for the semi for highno and also his experience in the squad, if we carry graot into the semi's I wouldnt also have BMM or begavich or fifita due to lack of experience. keep him there.

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Post by bp tiger » Mon 15 Aug, 2011 9:45 pm

Trouble is he is not getting much game time so how can he get match fit,agree he should play acouple of state cup games and get some match fitness.A fit Todd is a must for the semis.


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Post by Duffy_P » Tue 16 Aug, 2011 9:26 am

hybrid_tiger wrote:I'm all for trying to get him up for the semis, but to not touch the ball a single time in a match is just unthinkable.
I think his defence is the reason he is in the team. Now,I don't have stats to back that up but surely his defence around the middle is far superior to that of Fifita?

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Post by hybrid_tiger » Tue 16 Aug, 2011 9:31 am

Of course it is, but there are two sides to the game. You can't carry a player who does not touch the ball in attack, has that ever happened before?

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Post by Duffy_P » Tue 16 Aug, 2011 9:32 am

hybrid_tiger wrote:Of course it is, but there are two sides to the game. You can't carry a player who does not touch the ball in attack, has that ever happened before?
No idea HT. Is there a happy medium out there? Fifita is rubbish in defence and Payten lost all his spark in attack. What is the solution?

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Post by stryker » Tue 16 Aug, 2011 9:37 am

Duffy_P wrote:
hybrid_tiger wrote:Of course it is, but there are two sides to the game. You can't carry a player who does not touch the ball in attack, has that ever happened before?
No idea HT. Is there a happy medium out there? Fifita is rubbish in defence and Payten lost all his spark in attack. What is the solution?
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Post by Cultured Bogan » Tue 16 Aug, 2011 9:47 am

hybrid_tiger wrote:Of course it is, but there are two sides to the game. You can't carry a player who does not touch the ball in attack, has that ever happened before?
We might be carrying him just to get him some match fitness HT.

I agree it's putting strain on other players, especially since we only run with a three forward bench.

Whatever the reason is I hope he is out there and carting it up this weekend.
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Post by Centaur » Tue 16 Aug, 2011 10:41 am

He will probably come out and set up three tries this week.

We can only hope.

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Post by tigerbenji » Tue 16 Aug, 2011 11:09 am

Hopefully Tod will get a bit fitter & kill them, I would rather toddy there then Fifita who just wants to run sideways & not tackle.

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Post by gold on black » Tue 16 Aug, 2011 11:39 am

Todd deserves to be there IMO...he is just short of a run but will come good...he is just building confidence(he hasnt seen to much football recently) and his versatility is second to none....lets face it we have 3 80 minute backrowers...toddy is a front rower who can play back row also so he is able to give heighno that little break he needs and he can also jump into the front row whilst being a great cover for injury....It is hard to get involved when gareth and liam are dominating right now the way they are...so id be happy to send him on for D only and let the others take care of attack the way they are performing.

I must say Todd is one player i never have any fear about when he plays...i am always confident he wont miss tackles and make silly mistakes.
fifita isn't up to the task....plenty of skill but he runs sideways and drops off tackles all the time

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Post by supercoach » Tue 16 Aug, 2011 12:10 pm

The body is busted and that great football brain has slowed a second. Sheens has been trying to get him up to speed so he can play a role in the finals series and while we are winning its hard to really protest although I would have thought we needed some strong legs for impact rather than the experience that Todd offers

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Post by Mulga Bill » Tue 16 Aug, 2011 12:25 pm

Cultured Bogan wrote:I reckon he will grow a leg.
Comic genius at work - he won't need to retire after that – brilliant.
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Post by Footy Head Goodness » Tue 16 Aug, 2011 4:24 pm

I hate saying bad things about Todd like most of you. In saying that, he's not all there at the moment. The bench is for impact and he hasnt got that at the moment. I assume he is adding to other peoples games mentally in some way cause its not on performance. i didnt notice him at all in the Penrith game till i saw him shaking hands with a pernrith players after the siron.

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Post by magpie2tiger » Tue 16 Aug, 2011 4:29 pm

He will right.A game off being up to speed.You got to remember he has mist a jeep of footy.Toddy will be one of our best in finals.Remember a year ago he saved us against the eels..


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Post by hammertime » Tue 16 Aug, 2011 4:31 pm

For me, I don't care if he is playing busted. It's his final year and from what he has given the club, he deserves to be at least on the bench for the Finals. We can afford to carry him.

Toddy may be struggling, but he won't let us down.

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