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Re: World Cup Squad

Unread post by WestsBenTigers » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 6:19 pm

shakey4d wrote:
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Dugan over Tedesco is just pure wrong!

It is hard to keep supporting a team when they make such dumb decisions.
Not really, Dugans played his fair share of centre at rep level. Tedesco hasn't. Dugan is ahead of Teddy as a centre. Not saying I would have picked Dugan, but if it's a case of Dugan or Teddy as a centre option, I think they made the right choice.
WEL obviously Dugan doesn't see himself as a centre because he was asked for 'fullback money' because he sees himself as a fullback.

Tell me Dugan is b tier than Moga, Bird, Roberts, Mitchell, Jennings, Croker

And with Chambers, Trbojevic, Munster, Morgan, Gagai, Boyd we would be fine if we selected a superstar fullback over a fat, slow centre


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Unread post by WestsBenTigers » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 6:29 pm

Pawsandclaws wrote:
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shakey4d wrote:
Tue 03 Oct, 2017 5:45 pm
WestsBenTigers wrote:
Tue 03 Oct, 2017 5:34 pm
Dugan over Tedesco is just pure wrong!

It is hard to keep supporting a team when they make such dumb decisions.
Not really, Dugans played his fair share of centre at rep level. Tedesco hasn't. Dugan is ahead of Teddy as a centre. Not saying I would have picked Dugan, but if it's a case of Dugan or Teddy as a centre option, I think they made the right choice.
Meninga demonstrates loyalty towards his players and some aren't happy? I heard Meninga say the decision to leave Tedesco out was for his lack of versatility. Remember his games at wing were a disaster for WTs. It was the correct decision to leave him out as we have better fullbacks.
Your job as a selector is to select the best possible squad to give you the highest possible chance of winning.

If they want to show loyalty then why not select Matt Scott who has played many games at Test level

If you are a young player and have been playing out of your skin, get selected for origin, win the Dally M, win the Clive Churchill and yet a player who plays the same position has played for Australia before and often has stints in reserve grade for a bottom 8 side.

Who should the selectors pick?
Based on the logic shown by picking this squad they would choose the reserve grade player over the Dally M.

Please argue how this logic is valid and shown by not selecting Scott

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Unread post by Tigerdon » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 6:54 pm

I can see why Tedesco is left out. Slatter is back to his best and Boyd plays Wing well and will combine better at the back with Slatter than Tedesco will.
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Unread post by WestsBenTigers » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 7:08 pm

Tigerdon wrote:
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I can see why Tedesco is left out. Slatter is back to his best and Boyd plays Wing well and will combine better at the back with Slatter than Tedesco will.
Boyd should not be on the wing.

He is a ball-playing fullback who creates space and chances for people outside him. I don't think you can do that on the wing unless you are passing to someone in the 3rd row.

Wingers from that squad should be Holmes and Gagai - And to be honest, Tedesco plays an awful lot like those 2 players so I don't see why he couldn't succeed on the wing.

Tedesco should be in the squad!

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Unread post by Russell » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 7:33 pm

Think you are wrong on a number of fronts Ben.

Scott was not available for the World Cup to start with.

The second best full back on form in 2017 was Boyd (needed as a replacement if Slater goes down). He is also a pretty handy winger and has played for Australia on the wing a number of times. So no place at full back for Tedesco and he is not as good on the wing as Boyd, Holmes, Trbojevic or Gagai. In fact he has failed on the wing a number of times. He is not in the same class in the centre as Chambers, Dugan or Gagai. His form in 2017 was not anything to write home about, in fact if he was playing in a top four team the way he played for us he would have been dropped to reserve grade. That in a nutshell was why he is not in the squad.

My only beef is the selection of Fifita and Graham - their form does not deserve selection but they are lucky in that there is no one else better (subjective).


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Unread post by Geo. » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 7:36 pm

Matt Scott ruled himself out saying he could have played 30 odd minutes in a game but was unfit for a month long World Cup campaign..

Incumbents have always been given preference ...the Squad selected is a very strong one and will get the job done without to much fuss..
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Unread post by jadtiger » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 7:43 pm

To be honest Tedesco has only himself to blame for his non selection.His selfish play in not passing the ball and running constantly sideways looking for a gap is not what selectors would be looking for.At his best he would have walked into the squad but he did not play to that level this year.

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Unread post by GoldXR50Leroy » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 7:57 pm

The only good thing to come out of this that the Minnow Nations will be able to call on some real NRL talent to bolster their Ranks, Italy will greatly benefit from Teddy's inclusion if he chooses to be selected

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Unread post by tig_prmz » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 11:11 pm

if you are the second best, you need to be versatile and teddy hasn't shown it yet.

that's the reason billy wasn't chosen in Origin 1 this year either.

that being said, i'd have chosen another hooker to replace smith who's played about 30 games for 80 minutes in the middle this year.
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Unread post by Chris » Wed 04 Oct, 2017 4:05 am

Geo. wrote:
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Lol @ Noffa and Johnstone. I love Noffa, but come on.
This is exactlywhy I have no interest in the Australian team and havent had interest for several years now. I hate that you dont have to play Origin to be selected for the Australian team. I couldnt care less who makes this squad.
Since when has Origin been a pre-requisite for selection for the Australian Kangaroos..?
Since when do you pick an International team outside the best players that were selected to play for their state? How can someone be good enough to represent their country but not good enough for their state?

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Unread post by Geo. » Wed 04 Oct, 2017 7:33 am

Chris wrote:
Wed 04 Oct, 2017 4:05 am
Geo. wrote:
Tue 03 Oct, 2017 3:45 pm
Chris wrote:
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Lol @ Noffa and Johnstone. I love Noffa, but come on.
This is exactlywhy I have no interest in the Australian team and havent had interest for several years now. I hate that you dont have to play Origin to be selected for the Australian team. I couldnt care less who makes this squad.
Since when has Origin been a pre-requisite for selection for the Australian Kangaroos..?
Since when do you pick an International team outside the best players that were selected to play for their state? How can someone be good enough to represent their country but not good enough for their state?
Well if not for injury at the time of Origin Tom Trbojevic would have played ....probably should have in Game 3 but Laurie is an Imbo...Felise Kafusi was 18th man for QLD and has been one of the form back rowers all year....from the winning Grand Final team... McLean was 18th Man for the Test in April and 18th man for Origin..All the rest of those selected have played Origin this year..

Both players replaced Ferguson and Thaiday in the squad ...both of those players although playing Origin were down on form....

It's not like Mal has picked way out of left field selections...I have no problem with the squad he has chosen..
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Unread post by Tiger Watto » Wed 04 Oct, 2017 7:47 am

My only concern with the squad is I think we should have a specialist Dummy Half as back-up for Cameron Smith. Hunt is a fair 'back-up' selection for a one off Test knowing Smith is fit, but as you cant bring in players once the tournament starts, I feel this is a poor selection.

What if Smith is out after 1 game versus Zimbabwe? Surely Hunt isnt the 2nd best specialist DH?
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Unread post by Onthebus » Wed 04 Oct, 2017 9:11 am

Zimbabwe is a powerhouse in league

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Unread post by TigerSkins » Wed 04 Oct, 2017 2:23 pm

Jason Taumalolo turns his back on the Kiwis and will play for Tonga in the World Cup .. wow .. !!

As well as the 2016 Dally M Medallist and undisputed best forward in the NRL, Tonga are also likely to include Michael Jennings, Will Hopoate, Tui Lolohea, Sio Siua Taukeiaho, Addin Fonua-Blake, Daniel Tupou, Sika Manu and Konrad Hurrell.

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Unread post by WestsBenTigers » Wed 04 Oct, 2017 2:37 pm

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Jason Taumalolo turns his back on the Kiwis and will play for Tonga in the World Cup .. wow .. !!

As well as the 2016 Dally M Medallist and undisputed best forward in the NRL, Tonga are also likely to include Michael Jennings, Will Hopoate, Tui Lolohea, Sio Siua Taukeiaho, Addin Fonua-Blake, Daniel Tupou, Sika Manu and Konrad Hurrell.
Tonga a going to be a very strong side with Taumalalo, Tui and Taukeiaho

I think this World Cup is going to be closer than expected. Australia will still be undefeated and win the final, but I think NZ & England are in some strife with plenty of other nations gaining NRL talent. The likes of Italy, Tonga, Fiji, Samoa, Scotland could all do some damage to the hopes of New Zealand & England.

Can't wait for the World Cup followed by the Ashes

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Unread post by wt00 » Wed 04 Oct, 2017 2:44 pm

Who'd want to play for Kidwell.. good choice by taumalalo
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Unread post by Harvey » Wed 04 Oct, 2017 5:28 pm

He just wants the extra couple of weeks holiday

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Unread post by diedpretty » Wed 04 Oct, 2017 5:46 pm

Wow i didn't see this coming - apparently upset at Proctor and Bromwich being dumped by Kidwell - has opted to play for Tonga.

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