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Re: That last try was not a try

Posted: Mon 19 Sep, 2011 7:24 pm
by Cultured Bogan
simonthetiger wrote:
Cultured Bogan wrote:
simonthetiger wrote:Definitely no try!!! Clearly obVious that Inu knocks it forward in the contest with Lawrence........its as clear as day.

Both commentators.....Smith and Alexander who i rate highly were both stunned.As am I.

Our season is over because of a CLEAR error!!
Our season is over because we can't close out a game Simon. That much is clear.

We did enough early to win the game......it was a semi against good opposition who had nothing to lose,esp in the second half where they completed 17/19 sets,a near flawless display.

We closed out nine in a row.it should have been ten.
Simon, I'm as big a fan as the next... But we let them back into the game. We lacked the patience that allowed us to play sensible footy until a genuine opportunity presented itself.

We lost because we failed to respect our opposition and didn't play the game accordingly.

Re: That last try was not a try

Posted: Mon 19 Sep, 2011 7:37 pm
by sameulcon
Dont think we had a repeat set. Kicking game was poor. Could not force a line drop out when close to their line. And with our long kicks we should have been kicking it dead. Instead Locke was returning the ball and then "the beast" was taking the next hit up and they were 40m out fron their try line. This was followed by a quick play the ball because we couldnt dominate the ruck. Then it was Lewis Brown, Russell Packer or Sam Rapira and they were on the attack.

Re: That last try was not a try

Posted: Mon 19 Sep, 2011 7:37 pm
by alien
watch the last replay before the video ref gives it a try. he clearly drops the ball over the line then his hand lands on the ball. we were robbed big time. yes we should have played better but we were still robbed.

Re: That last try was not a try

Posted: Mon 19 Sep, 2011 8:10 pm
by Cultured Bogan
alien wrote:watch the last replay before the video ref gives it a try. he clearly drops the ball over the line then his hand lands on the ball. we were robbed big time. yes we should have played better but we were still robbed.
It doesn't matter Alien, good teams don't let the opposition regain a 12 point lead... Plain and simple. We were robbed, but we robbed ourselves. Silly 5th tackle options and basic errors buried us. The Warriors stayed composed and ground it out. Good on them.

Re: That last try was not a try

Posted: Mon 19 Sep, 2011 8:28 pm
by alien
Cultured Bogan wrote:
alien wrote:watch the last replay before the video ref gives it a try. he clearly drops the ball over the line then his hand lands on the ball. we were robbed big time. yes we should have played better but we were still robbed.
It doesn't matter Alien, good teams don't let the opposition regain a 12 point lead... Plain and simple. We were robbed, but we robbed ourselves. Silly 5th tackle options and basic errors buried us. The Warriors stayed composed and ground it out. Good on them.
it doesnt matter if we didnt play our best - which team always does??? the try shouldnt have been awarded.

Re: That last try was not a try

Posted: Mon 19 Sep, 2011 8:31 pm
by Paris Cobbs
You can't say that the Warriors won because they 'ground it out' or that they deserved to win - they won because they were awarded a try that came from pure good luck. And it wasn't even a try anyway! Inu contested the ball unsuccessfully, fell on his face and by a complete fluke the ball was propelled by Lote back to him. There was no skill involved at all, it was a sheer fluke.

As well as that there were two forward passes in the lead up to Mateo's try. The second one, the pass to Mateo, was a pass to a player in an offside position. Should have been a penalty to Wests, or at least a scrum.

The Warriors got lucky and we got robbed... again.

Re: That last try was not a try

Posted: Mon 19 Sep, 2011 8:34 pm
by alien
this thread isnt about if we played our best. it is about if the last try should have been awarded a try and the answer is no. can people realy not see from the last replay that he dropped the ball just before he was going to put it down, and then his hand landed on the ball after the ball hit the ground

Re: That last try was not a try

Posted: Mon 19 Sep, 2011 11:27 pm
by tiger91
Seems we get the unlucky calls in finals time in recent years (except Marshalls try V Dragons).

I still remember blowing up at the tv about the ruling of Dwyer's tackle on Werea-Hargreaves and the knock on that followed.

I guess with how close the competition is and even more so the final series, you need the rub of the green to get the win in most games.


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Re: That last try was not a try

Posted: Tue 20 Sep, 2011 12:52 am
by Balmain Bug
I am yet to see a replay which suggests it is a try.

Seriously people, that was NOT a try.

Re: That last try was not a try

Posted: Tue 20 Sep, 2011 8:02 am
by Tiger Watto
Balmain Bug wrote:I am yet to see a replay which suggests it is a try.

Seriously people, that was NOT a try.
x 2 :cry:

Re: That last try was not a try

Posted: Tue 20 Sep, 2011 8:14 am
by Swordy
I will concede the try is on the board, it is history and we are gone. I'm not debating that.

But just a comment directly on that try.

I'm still 50/50 as to whether or not it was a try.

What I do know is that the referee must have the fastest reactions in the world. Quite clearly, and regardless of what hayne says, his intention must have been to call time off and refer it after after the first grounding by Inu. I say this because the whistle blew and play was stopped within milliseconds of the second grounding, either milliseconds before or milliseconds after.

Given the reaction time, the referee must have been intending to stop play and refer the first grounding.

I also claim that once the ball touches the ground in the first instance, and even though Moltzen has his hands on the ball and not the player, then the ball cannot be promoted and as such a tackle is completed.

Quite clearly then, the play was to be referred and so a play the ball should have taken place immediately once the referral for the first attempt was reviewed and called a 'no try'.

I also claim that once the ball touches the ground in the first instance, and even though Moltzen has his hands on the ball and not the player, then the ball cannot be promoted and as such a tackle is completed.

In a long shot, you could also claim a voluntary tackle. Given that Inu grounded the ball. Stopped, (apparently) was not tackled, then how long can he lay there not being tackled before he decides to promote the ball. It was certainly not promoted instantaneously as an immediate second movement.

Seems like we can raise plenty of doubt as to why it is not.

Re: That last try was not a try

Posted: Tue 20 Sep, 2011 8:18 am
by happy tiger
My other issue was that it wasn't even benefit of the doubt
There was so much to doubt even only looking at it with 1 eye
Probably one of the 5 worst decisions I have seen since video referee has been introduced
There was 3 reasons not to give it and they still gave it

Re: That last try was not a try

Posted: Tue 20 Sep, 2011 9:20 am
by simonthetiger
It wasnt just the grounding which was complete rubbish,it should never have even gone to that bit......clearly a knock on by Inu in the air!!!!

Has anyone seen the video of it,Wazza Smith and Brandy were adamant it was no try and were stunned when it was awarded,their sentiments were repeated on the league lounge.

Awful decision which i think has cost us a comp......who was the video ref anyway?

Re: That last try was not a try

Posted: Tue 20 Sep, 2011 9:31 am
by happy tiger
simonthetiger wrote:It wasnt just the grounding which was complete rubbish,it should never have even gone to that bit......clearly a knock on by Inu in the air!!!!

Has anyone seen the video of it,Wazza Smith and Brandy were adamant it was no try and were stunned when it was awarded,their sentiments were repeated on the league lounge.

Awful decision which i think has cost us a comp......who was the video ref anyway?
Who was the video ref is the perfect question
Probably in protective custody now His name has been changed to protect him from all Tigers supporters

Re: That last try was not a try

Posted: Tue 20 Sep, 2011 9:38 am
by Tigerdave
so, the consensus seems to be moving towards that it wasn't a try then....so 2 years on the trot we've had the rough end of the stick in finals?

Re: That last try was not a try

Posted: Tue 20 Sep, 2011 10:55 am
by Tigerspirit
I know there is no point anymore, but watching the replay if Lawrence would have left Tuqiri initially to catch the ball as he was running up and was in a better position while lawrence covers, I feel we would have saved that try and thats why lawrence couldn't stop crying because he knew he selfishly stuffed up trying to jump up running backwards while tuqiri was running towards the ball. Anyway it was a try.

Re: That last try was not a try

Posted: Tue 20 Sep, 2011 4:34 pm
by TigerMc
Yes Alien bang on right - I noticed a fumble ('seperation" is the term the commentators like to use) too.

Mac you bring up a valid point about Hayne calling time off. Can see it clearly on the shot from the western grandstand. 1 arm is already up & whistle in mouth before Inu start to make the 2nd lunge...

Hayne lacked the kahunas to make the call in last years Grand Final qualifier (Smith knees on Lote) that gives us a major shot at taking the lead in the dying minutes, and also lacked the big game nouse to clearly state what he saw in real time (his intention was only to be referring the 1st putdown, to the 3rd ref!) - The 3rd ref was two Ex refs, Sean Hampstead & Paul Simpkins.

Bill Harrigan suggested that the refs to coem out of the Broncos game performed well, so we might only have to put up with SH's incompetence for 1 more week ... this year anyways.

Thanks goodness the file on my hard drive seems to have corrupted the recording of the game, so it is permanently deleted & theres no need for me to watch any more replays!

Re: That last try was not a try

Posted: Tue 20 Sep, 2011 5:27 pm
by mtd
alien wrote:watch the last replay before the video ref gives it a try. he clearly drops the ball over the line then his hand lands on the ball. we were robbed big time. yes we should have played better but we were still robbed.
mate i agree with you and have also been shot down in other places for suggesting this...

its assumed by 90% of people that saw the game that the try was scored by everyone, but it wasn't at all. inu lost contact with the ball before placing it. the ref didnt slow the replay down to look at this closely... nor did the tv networks (#9 or fox)... my beef is all throughout the year we have to sit through painful video ref decisions, then in the biggest decision of the season, they rush it and dont look at all of this one properly....

the referees got it wrong....