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Are we right in the head?

Post by AmericanHistoryX » Fri 09 Mar, 2012 10:29 pm

winning 8-0 and a penalty in front of the posts and we kick for touch but yet the penalty before that we kick for goal.
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Post by Yossarian » Fri 09 Mar, 2012 10:32 pm

Seriously do the maths... A converted try is worth 6 points. So leading by 8 has considerably advantage to a 6 point lead. However leading by 10 is not so much better than 8 since 2 converted tries will put you up regardless. But if you score a try, 14-0 is more than 2 tries up...

It wasn't a bad decision - it was probably the right decision.

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Post by 1/4 chicken,chips » Fri 09 Mar, 2012 10:33 pm

Thats exactly what i was thinking at the time.10 nil ensures a two try advantage.So who makes the call ? The captain or the coach ? we lead 10 - 0 at the break and who knows .

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Post by NJLM78 » Fri 09 Mar, 2012 10:33 pm

If we could have got to 14 nil it could have been all over and we did appear to have the upperhand at that time. But I am a fan of taking two points when its available.

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Post by 1/4 chicken,chips » Fri 09 Mar, 2012 10:36 pm

Yossarian wrote:Seriously do the maths... A converted try is worth 6 points. So leading by 8 has considerably advantage to a 6 point lead. However leading by 10 is not so much better than 8 since 2 converted tries will put you up regardless. But if you score a try, 14-0 is more than 2 tries up...

It wasn't a bad decision - it was probably the right decision.
so you lead 6-0 with Manly on the ropes and you take the two, give them a break to reset.imo you either take the tap at 6-0 and go for a try ,or you take both gift two points


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Post by Yossarian » Fri 09 Mar, 2012 10:37 pm

1/4 chicken,chips wrote:Thats exactly what i was thinking at the time.10 nil ensures a two try advantage.So who makes the call ? The captain or the coach ? we lead 10 - 0 at the break and who knows .
Then we lose 20-22 not 18-22... Really don't think things would have changed if we were up 10-0 rather than 8-0. But if we scored and went up 14-0 it would have been a massive lead in the context of the game.

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Post by Yossarian » Fri 09 Mar, 2012 10:39 pm

1/4 chicken,chips wrote:
Yossarian wrote:Seriously do the maths... A converted try is worth 6 points. So leading by 8 has considerably advantage to a 6 point lead. However leading by 10 is not so much better than 8 since 2 converted tries will put you up regardless. But if you score a try, 14-0 is more than 2 tries up...

It wasn't a bad decision - it was probably the right decision.
so you lead 6-0 with Manly on the ropes and you take the two, give them a break to reset.imo you either take the tap at 6-0 and go for a try ,or you take both gift two points
I wouldn't have objected to taking the tap at 6-0 given the circumstances at the time (we were on the attack and had them struggling) but there is a big difference in the pay-off for leading by 8 compared to leading by 10. A try could have really fatally dented Manly's confidence.

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Post by 1/4 chicken,chips » Fri 09 Mar, 2012 10:41 pm

Yossarian wrote:
1/4 chicken,chips wrote:Thats exactly what i was thinking at the time.10 nil ensures a two try advantage.So who makes the call ? The captain or the coach ? we lead 10 - 0 at the break and who knows .
Then we lose 20-22 not 18-22... Really don't think things would have changed if we were up 10-0 rather than 8-0. But if we scored and went up 14-0 it would have been a massive lead in the context of the game.
But Yoss we didnt score to make it 14-0.Benji could have thrown the ball over the post.how do you get a 20 -22 loss,it was 4 points difference . Yoss i wouldnt have taken the first kick , i would have stayed on the attack ,but i just ask why at 6 -0 you take the two but you dont at 8-0 a few minutes later .

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Post by Tiger Watto » Fri 09 Mar, 2012 10:43 pm

The first option was right, but the second choice to kick for touch was wrong... This was always going to be a tough battle and all points were vital.

If we had of taken a quick tap because Manly had defenders down or offside, that is also a suitable choice. But to kick to touch was a brainfart...
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Post by kill'em'all tigers » Fri 09 Mar, 2012 10:45 pm

Goodluck with this one Yoss.

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Post by Yossarian » Fri 09 Mar, 2012 10:50 pm

1/4 chicken,chips wrote:
Yossarian wrote:
1/4 chicken,chips wrote:Thats exactly what i was thinking at the time.10 nil ensures a two try advantage.So who makes the call ? The captain or the coach ? we lead 10 - 0 at the break and who knows .
Then we lose 20-22 not 18-22... Really don't think things would have changed if we were up 10-0 rather than 8-0. But if we scored and went up 14-0 it would have been a massive lead in the context of the game.
But Yoss we didnt score to make it 14-0.Benji could have thrown the ball over the post.how do you get a 20 -22 loss,it was 4 points difference . Yoss i wouldnt have taken the first kick , i would have stayed on the attack ,but i just ask why at 6 -0 you take the two but you dont at 8-0 a few minutes later .
Well I've explained the reasoning... 6-0 means you're a try up, 8-0 means they need to score twice to get in front, 10-0 still means they need to score twice, 14-0 means they need to score thrice..

How do I get a 20-22 loss? I'm speculating if he kicks the goal and we lead 10-0... We would have ended up on 20 points rather than 18...

Yeah it didn't work, hindsight is great but if we went 14-0 you wouldn't complain. Even if he kicks it we still would have got beat.

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Post by Geo. » Fri 09 Mar, 2012 10:53 pm

Why did we kick it on the 3rd after the penalty....just askin
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Post by Tiger Watto » Fri 09 Mar, 2012 10:55 pm

Not nessasary Yoss... 10 - 0 up and Lyon doesn't bother taking the 2 points before halftime. That's your 4 points difference?!
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Post by 1/4 chicken,chips » Fri 09 Mar, 2012 10:56 pm

It dosent really matter at the end of the day , we lost tonight ,we will be back next week ,everything is great in hindsight .lol 10 nil and lyon dosent get the kick . different game form 10 - 0 onwards

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Post by innsaneink » Fri 09 Mar, 2012 10:57 pm

Yoss is right on this one.

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Post by willow » Fri 09 Mar, 2012 10:57 pm

Geo. wrote:Why did we kick it on the 3rd after the penalty....just askin
That was definitely the wrong decision my good man. I wasn't concerned about taking the tap because Manly were blowing hard and the Tigers had the upper hand. Farah played his cards 2 tackles too early though. Dropping the ball twice in a row on the first tackle in the second half killed the Tigers, along with 2 missed tackles from Farah and Lawrence. That was the difference.

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Post by Tiger Watto » Fri 09 Mar, 2012 11:14 pm

Geo. wrote:Why did we kick it on the 3rd after the penalty....just askin
Another brainfart... We had another 2 tackles to build to something.
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Post by tiga4eva » Fri 09 Mar, 2012 11:30 pm

He did the same in the Semi Final vs Warriors when we had them shot out wide. This low percentage play works 1/78 times. Put it away Robbie.


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