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Post by barra » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 12:12 pm

As the main play maker and team captain Benji must realise that with only a few minutes to go he has already created enough for us to win! He simply does not need to try to win it all over again with a hospital pass to a winger that was never going to get through three sliding defenders and score - let alone on the first tackle.

I can accept taking the good with the bad when it comes to Benji during most of the game, but it just doesn't wash with me in this situation. There is a big difference. He simply needs to realise that closing the game out is all that is required. It is not that hard to pull the horns in and show some maturity.

If it is not within him to do so, at that point give him a rest and give the decision making to someone who will make the right call.


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Post by rossop » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 12:26 pm

barra wrote:As the main play maker and team captain Benji must realise that with only a few minutes to go he has already created enough for us to win! He simply does not need to try to win it all over again with a hospital pass to a winger that was never going to get through three sliding defenders and score - let alone on the first tackle.

I can accept taking the good with the bad when it comes to Benji during most of the game, but it just doesn't wash with me in this situation. There is a big difference. He simply needs to realise that closing the game out is all that is required. It is not that hard to pull the horns in and show some maturity.

If it is not within him to do so, at that point give him a rest and give the decision making to someone who will make the right call.
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Post by Hubert » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 12:35 pm

This is why Farah must always be captain. We can't win without Benji but Farah would have called for a field go when that scrum packed down in front of the posts with our feed.

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Post by Winnipeg » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 12:52 pm

yeah when Farah is there we seem to do much better in pressure situations and golden point etc. Like when he kicked the winning field goal against Newy last year.

There's the world cup final, and that time he destroyed Newcastle with 2-3 tries in 10 mins, but I reckon Benji's got a losing record in pressure situations like that.

But having said that he set up the rest of our tries and we might not have even been in the lead without him, I still would rather the Tiges play with him than against him

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Post by everett » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 12:57 pm

For all his brillance he does some very dumb things which has been clearly outlined in other's blogs.

Love watching him play but wish he would use his brain a bit more and learn to make decisions that allows us to close out games.

Not a bad suggestion to take him off the field if we are in the lead to allow someone else to give us field position and take the field goal on offer.

For a player of his talent he might only end up with one premiership ring. Sad to think but a real possibility.
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Post by Citizen Tiger » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 1:23 pm

willow wrote:Benji is up near the top of the comp for try assists, but occasionally he's just trying too hard, as the last 10 minutes today showed. It's just a shame all of the attack is falling squarely on his shoulders at the moment. Farah would have been handy today, but the lack of first class options at half and fullback are not doing Marshall, or the side any favours.
Crikey, you have courage, introducing perspective and facts into this Marshall free for all :D

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 1:27 pm

simonthetiger wrote:
GNR4LIFE wrote:
simonthetiger wrote:
Lovemytigers wrote:You people are pathetic...
I'm done too....done with this bulls**t forum.

Benji was amazing and you lot are too busy boo hooing to realise how special he is.

Yeah we lost, so what.

Go "support" someone esle.

Well said.

There are some almighty pea hearts on here who have no idea how good we have it.
Oh yeah we have it real good atm don't we? having lost 4 on the trot and being on the bottom of the ladder and all :roll:
Speaking of pea heart,here's one right on cue.

And cheers knuckle.....this is a very good side that was ridiculously unlucky to lose a game we were supposed to get flogged in.

All is not lost.
What a special day, i've finally been anointed :lol:
I'm guessing your in the 'true supporter' club are you? :roll

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Post by innsaneink » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 4:12 pm

And still everyone ignores the play 5 minutes earlier when we were only up by 6, perfect chance for a field goal, close it out, up by 7....but he spins it wide for ayshford to score.

Why are you all ignoring that play???

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Post by simonthetiger » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 4:47 pm

Great call Ink!

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Post by cnx_tigers » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 4:50 pm

innsaneink wrote:And still everyone ignores the play 5 minutes earlier when we were only up by 6, perfect chance for a field goal, close it out, up by 7....but he spins it wide for ayshford to score.

Why are you all ignoring that play???

Ummm, a field goal there would have put us up by 7 with around 10 mins to go. Game = not over.

A field goal when we led by 12 puts us up by 13 with 5 to go. Game = over.

'Subtle' difference...............................................

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Post by innsaneink » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 5:01 pm

Yeh gee its so easy 24 hours AFTER THE EVENT!!!!

he may have missed the field goal. You seem to think its a given.

Ryan had a chance to score but we all know - didnt.

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Post by yeti » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 5:35 pm

I'm as disappointed with that result as anyone and in a perfect world the game would have been closed out at 16-4and we would be sitting on 4 competition points. However, the genus that allows Marshall to do those incredible things on the field that very few in our lifetime have ever been able to do, is also what makes him 'flawed' as a football player. He has the belief that anything is possible and should be attempted at anytime and it is this that makes him such an enigmatic player. As frustrating and downright annoying as it is at times, I wouldn't swap him for anyone else in the competition. Take Marshall out of our team at present and we have little attack - it's as simple as that. With Lawrence and Ayshford out of form, Tedesco out for the season, our attacking options are at best limited.
Dumb penalties have been costing us all season thus far and although some of the refs calls in this regard were dubious, we are statistically the least disciplined team in the comp. Every player needs to take responsibility for his onfield behaviour. If we fix our discipline we fix much of our problems.

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Post by happy tiger » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 5:55 pm

innsaneink wrote:Yeh gee its so easy 24 hours AFTER THE EVENT!!!!

he may have missed the field goal. You seem to think its a given.

Ryan had a chance to score but we all know - didnt.
Ink Eric Grothe Senior ,Manu Vatuvei or Taniela Tuiaki wouldn't been able to crash over to score that try

Benji should of just taken the tackle

You can see he even hesitates for a split second before he threw it

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Post by innsaneink » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 6:53 pm

Benji shouldve this, benji shouldve that....wat a waste of time this all is

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Post by bythebeardofzeus » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 7:23 pm

As disappointing as yesterday was I don't think the loss was due to benji going for a try instead of a FG in that last 10 min. Sure beau ended up over the sideline but we still had souths pinned in their own quarter at the scrum. It's the penalties that killed us. Penalties at the worst possible times that just put us under too much pressure. The whole team is at fault for this not one person!

We wouldn't have been leading 16-4 if it wasn't for benji, I wouldn't swap him for any other 5/8

We just gotta cut the errors/penalties out of our game, there's still time to turn it around!!


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Post by alexaki » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 7:49 pm

Marshall is trying to do everything on his own...no good....

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Post by barra » Tue 03 Apr, 2012 10:12 am

happy tiger wrote:
innsaneink wrote:Yeh gee its so easy 24 hours AFTER THE EVENT!!!!

he may have missed the field goal. You seem to think its a given.

Ryan had a chance to score but we all know - didnt.
Ink Eric Grothe Senior ,Manu Vatuvei or Taniela Tuiaki wouldn't been able to crash over to score that try

Benji should of just taken the tackle

You can see he even hesitates for a split second before he threw it
Thank you HT! Let's put this comment to bed.

Benji is a brilliant player and I will be eternally grateful he is a Tiger. But that play was never, ever on and should not have been attempted.

The first was a great play - Benji drew the defence and off-loaded to Ayshford who had 1 sliding defender to beat. The play in question was never on. Three sliding defenders steaming toward Ryan and he was never going to make it. Everyone at the ground could see a try would have been a miracle.

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Post by otho » Tue 03 Apr, 2012 12:07 pm

cktiger wrote:There is a very simple solution to this problem.
If we are that far in front with only 5 or 10 minutes to go- TAKE HIM OFF.
He is all about trying to score and nothing else - if Sheens has any sense he wouldn replace him.
If he thought it would hurt his ego he could tell him he didn't want him getting hurt :roll:

Not sure that it would make that much of a difference. Same sort of thing would probably occur, just not quite as often, perhaps. The problem, IMHO is a team one, not just Marshall. In the semifinal vs Roosters, Marshall did come off. When the game could have been decided by a field goal, WT got within 10m of the tryline, only to have both Farah and Lui at the play the ball + dummy half... at the far left side of the field. With both kickers tied up there, it should have gone to someone, anyone, who could take a shot. No communication, no one took the situation in hand. The ball got passed back over to the other side of the field in a attempt to score in the corner. It died when it went over the sideline. That was game over there.

Farah seems to have more of an idea about this sort of thing, but, he's no guarantee. The team seems to run on autopilot quite often. It's like they all forget somebody should be in charge at key moments.

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