Same sex marriage debate...

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Unread post by colmcd » Wed 15 Nov, 2017 5:39 pm

old man tiger wrote:
Wed 15 Nov, 2017 10:33 am
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Warringah 75% in favour. What's it going to be Tony? Listen to the people you represent or do your personal beliefs come first?
On that note, the seats that voted no overwhelmingly are labour heartland but probably have many socially conservative people living there. Interesting times ahead. Might be a masterstroke from Turnbull, who has turned himself into a "Master bator" with his ineffective leadership.

If it gets to a vote in parliament, these labour members will have to vote yes, surely. I hope people don't care enough about the issue to vote out an incumbent on the basis of a single issue, but this is the risk when you ask the people to do the politician's job.
Tony must be held to his promise of voting with his electorate on the referendum result. He promised that he would vote "yes" if his electorate would vote yes.


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Unread post by formerguest » Wed 15 Nov, 2017 5:44 pm

Tigerdon wrote:
Wed 15 Nov, 2017 4:56 pm
same here. i wasn't even planning to vote but i did just to cancel my mate (Greg) vote out. I have a beer with him on Friday's. He's always banging on about Trump and Yes voters. I told him if he wasn't going back to talking about footy i'd vote Yes to cancel out his vote. Can't wait to go for a beer with Greg this Friday. Should be fun.
Especially when you remind him that three out of four of your locals are of the same thinking.

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Unread post by Yossarian » Wed 15 Nov, 2017 6:32 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Wed 15 Nov, 2017 4:20 pm
Cultured Bogan wrote:
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The mask is slipping again.
Ha ha...it must be tiring forever putting on a front, pretending youre something youre not.
What a life.
The bloke from Mrs Brown's Boys is more convincing.

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Unread post by happy tiger » Wed 15 Nov, 2017 7:07 pm

Hearing that CQ was a close margin

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Unread post by Nelson » Wed 15 Nov, 2017 7:44 pm

InBenjiWeTrust wrote:
Wed 15 Nov, 2017 1:10 pm
Interesting point is: will the 'elected representatives' vote as their electorates or with 'their conscience' and ignore their electorate,
- may explain why most people are disgusted with politicians :brick:
e.g
Jason Clare, ALP, electorate Blaxland - NO vote 73.9%
Tony Burke, ALP, electorate Watson, - NO vote 69.6%
Chris Bowen, ALP, electorate McMahon, - NO vote 64.9%
That's not how representative democracy works.


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Unread post by Byron Bay Fan » Wed 15 Nov, 2017 7:54 pm

In the strong Labor electorates that plebbed against gay marriage shows that financial equity is more important than social equity.
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Unread post by MG1962 » Thu 16 Nov, 2017 3:15 am

magpiecol wrote:
Wed 15 Nov, 2017 3:49 pm
The lunatic left of course.

I was always told to be careful for what you wish. Let's see how this turns out. Not very good I will bet.

Safe schools, safe spaces, Christians, butchers, bakers and candlestick makers, off to court.

This was all about tolerance. The only problem is that the people calling for tolerance have no tolerance for anybody that disagrees with them.
There are 25 countries around the world that allow SSM. From what I can see none of them seem to be in any particular trouble. Some I would almost go as far to say are among the most successful nations in the world.

Tolerance is a tricky thing. Should we have tolerated the Nazis and their excesses. Should we tolerate slave ownership in any form? The obvious answer is no.

Sometimes tolerance is a one way street. We should never tolerate someone wanting to limit basic human right.

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Unread post by Earl » Thu 16 Nov, 2017 7:08 am

The lunatic left are pretty bad. The thing is I think the crazy hypocritical right are probably worse. Imagine trying to stop SSM. Talk about trying to control people when it's none of your business. Imagine always whining about your rights but trying to curtail other people's rights. Imagine turning SSM into a debate about safe spaces. Crazy stuff.

Those of us that have half a brain and try and live in reality have to just observe both sides and laugh. Thank god that the sane won out in this vote.

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Unread post by Cultured Bogan » Thu 16 Nov, 2017 9:07 am

Byron Bay Fan wrote:
Wed 15 Nov, 2017 7:54 pm
In the strong Labor electorates that plebbed against gay marriage shows that financial equity is more important than social equity.
Until their cultures or religions are under threat and then the general Australian community gets a lecture about tolerance and their rights.
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Unread post by Russell » Thu 16 Nov, 2017 9:22 am

I maybe naive, but I really do not think being in a Labor or Liberal electorate determined whether the individual voted yes/no.

I think it was more what age you are, your culture, your religion, your own sexual preference etc. that determined how you voted.

It will now be interesting to see what restrictions are tabled and are put in place as the bill is passed in parliament.

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Unread post by Snake » Thu 16 Nov, 2017 9:27 am

Cultured Bogan wrote:
Thu 16 Nov, 2017 9:07 am
Byron Bay Fan wrote:
Wed 15 Nov, 2017 7:54 pm
In the strong Labor electorates that plebbed against gay marriage shows that financial equity is more important than social equity.nnn
Until their cultures or religions are under threat and then the general Australian community gets a lecture about tolerance and their rights.
Maybe each individual that voted No did not believe in gay marriage , not to much should be
Read into it all really ... the Abbott bashers should move on the people have voted and democracy is the winner Abbott has pledged not to vote against it ...how people forget Abbott always wanted a plebiscite ,in effect gays can now marry because of Abbott’s percistance on this matter .. our energies should be Reserved for the next fight to reclaim our country after the next batch of moronic politicians do there best to destroy our country no matter what party they belong to .. the current batch of politicians will go down in history as the most destructive and decisive our society has had to date.

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Unread post by Tigerdon » Thu 16 Nov, 2017 10:02 am

Russell wrote:
Thu 16 Nov, 2017 9:22 am
I maybe naive, but I really do not think being in a Labor or Liberal electorate determined whether the individual voted yes/no.

I think it was more what age you are, your culture, your religion, your own sexual preference etc. that determined how you voted.

It will now be interesting to see what restrictions are tabled and are put in place as the bill is passed in parliament.
I think you're right Snake. I live in Tony Abbott's electorate. I've got good friends who work for him and are on his staff and have done fundraising for him in the past. I've meet him maybe 20 times over the last ten years. I received a community award off him last year for volunteer work. Most of the people I know in our area vote Liberal, however (going of Facebook) it was clear they weren't going to vote No just because he was going to. I agree it was more personal than political.
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Unread post by Cultured Bogan » Thu 16 Nov, 2017 10:05 am

Snake wrote:
Thu 16 Nov, 2017 9:27 am
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Thu 16 Nov, 2017 9:07 am
Byron Bay Fan wrote:
Wed 15 Nov, 2017 7:54 pm
In the strong Labor electorates that plebbed against gay marriage shows that financial equity is more important than social equity.nnn
Until their cultures or religions are under threat and then the general Australian community gets a lecture about tolerance and their rights.
Maybe each individual that voted No did not believe in gay marriage , not to much should be
Read into it all really ... the Abbott bashers should move on the people have voted and democracy is the winner Abbott has pledged not to vote against it ...how people forget Abbott always wanted a plebiscite ,in effect gays can now marry because of Abbott’s percistance on this matter .. our energies should be Reserved for the next fight to reclaim our country after the next batch of moronic politicians do there best to destroy our country no matter what party they belong to .. the current batch of politicians will go down in history as the most destructive and decisive our society has had to date.
Not sure how that aligns with what I said? My point was the electorates that voted no are largely multicultural, and it's interesting that those people have commented about their cultures not being respected or their rights being infringed in the past, and yet are quick to deny rights to others.

If Abbott has said he'll vote in accordance with his electorate, well he has my respect for respecting the wishes of his constituents and putting them over his own personal opinions on the matter.
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Unread post by innsaneink » Fri 17 Nov, 2017 5:33 am

Very witty...but I dont agree with the mural, you cant claim victimisation when vilified, yet I see this as no different, even if they are public figures (who I'm all for criticising constructively like many here are doing) ...just a bit OTT for me
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There's been a social media backlash over a mural of Tony Abbott and George Pell painted on a pub after a No campaigner urged people to give the venue bad reviews.

Artist Scott Marsh finished the mural on the back of the Botany View Hotel, which depicts Mr Abbott in a wedding dress with his hand down Cardinal Pell's pants, on the same day Australians voted in favour of same-sex marriage.

Overnight, beige and white paint was thrown at the mural on Maria Lane in Newtown, obscuring Pell's face.

Local resident Mike Honen said he saw the picture freshly painted and he was devastated the wall has been destroyed.

"As soon as it got dark, someone hit it," he said.

"It's super weird that they have only targeted George Pell and not Tony Abbott, so that says a lot.

"People are just upset and they are going to try to lash out however they can."
Facebook backlash and lash-back
The street view.
Photo: The Botany View Hotel has been targeted in social media review warfare for the mural. (ABC News: Stephanie Corsetti)

The mood at the hotel on Wednesday night was one of celebration, but that had turned sour since the mural destruction and another campaign to lower Facebook ratings of the pub.

A No supporter posted a Facebook message late on Wednesday night urging people to give the hotel a one-star review on Facebook.

"This is disgusting, it's only the first day and same sex marriage isn't even approved yet and Botany View Hotel in Newtown has painted their wall mocking Cardinal George Pell and Tony Abbott as being gay," he wrote.

"How can we as a society accept this persecution of Christians and allow them to mock our clergy?"

The man urged followers to share his post, call the hotel to make a complaint and also linked them to their Facebook page for "a nice one-star review".

He finished his post with a picture of the mural and #christianlivesmatter.
Pub 'shows utter contempt'

Hundreds of negative reviews were posted in the following hours, with more than 1,000 one-star ratings logged on its Facebook page by 3:00pm.

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Unread post by jadtiger » Fri 17 Nov, 2017 6:33 am

Agreed ink i have no time for either of the people depicted on the mural but that is far beyond satire

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Unread post by Tigerdon » Fri 17 Nov, 2017 7:01 am

Have a look at some of the old political cartoons for the 1800's or WW1 or the current French ones directed at Muslins. This is pretty tame to some of those.
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Unread post by Cultured Bogan » Fri 17 Nov, 2017 8:03 am

A mural in Botany is the least of Georgie Pell's worries at the moment.
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Unread post by Tiger Come Lately » Fri 17 Nov, 2017 8:33 am

Tigerdon wrote:
Fri 17 Nov, 2017 7:01 am
Have a look at some of the old political cartoons for the 1800's or WW1 or the current French ones directed at Muslins. This is pretty tame to some of those.
I agree some of it is over the top however, what intigues me is when one group thinks this kind of graffiti is ok when it supports their agenda and racists, bigoted, antisemetic when it's of a different nature.

I have seen the varied reactions from sample groups, when u show the same set of images. They laugh at some and scorn others then the next group with the opposite view will do the reverse. But when people are asked to vote openly in a group the results change as people want to belong and don't want to be the odd man out ( there exceptions)

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