Same sex marriage debate...

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Re: Same sex marriage debate...

Unread post by GNR4LIFE » Wed 04 Oct, 2017 8:07 pm

It's being reported that 77% of votes have been sent back, with the majority having voted yes.


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Unread post by Byron Bay Fan » Thu 05 Oct, 2017 12:34 am

Earl wrote:
Wed 04 Oct, 2017 3:37 pm
There shouldn't have been a plebiscite. It's a human right to be married and discrimination against gay people isn't cool.

The government should show some balls and just pass it.
to quote Basil Faulty the government would have to stitch them back on first
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Unread post by innsaneink » Wed 18 Oct, 2017 5:32 pm

stryker wrote:
Sun 24 Sep, 2017 1:25 am
jirskyr wrote:
Sun 24 Sep, 2017 12:35 am
stryker wrote:
Sat 23 Sep, 2017 7:32 pm
There are some shocking bigots in this thread...
Yossarian
Gnr4life
Earl
Jirskyr
Look in the mirror you hypocrites.
What's happened to you stryker? You've lost your edge. I remember you used to have some clever stuff to say, amongst generally being an obnoxious twit, one of the reasons I didn't foe you ages ago.

But your contributions to this thread are shockingly uninspired, calling people out and spraying insults around like a dog in a field of tree stumps.

I suppose you felt some need to stir people up, I don't get it, but it must be something you need to do. You must be a real joy at social functions.
Just calling it as I see it. Ive had to lower myself to certain peoples levels recently. Glad you noticed. Ill be clever again soon.
Famous last words...LOL

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Unread post by goldcoast tiger » Wed 18 Oct, 2017 6:32 pm

Byron Bay Fan wrote:
Thu 05 Oct, 2017 12:34 am
Earl wrote:
Wed 04 Oct, 2017 3:37 pm
There shouldn't have been a plebiscite. It's a human right to be married and discrimination against gay people isn't cool.

The government should show some balls and just pass it.
to quote Basil Faulty the government would have to stitch them back on first

That way would mean that the Govt. Would have to face their own supporters, and probably be whacked even harder by the extreme right, than it looks like they are going to be anyway.
This way they can hide behind the survey result, and blame everybody else

They don't care about wasting a few millionson on a survey, Turnbulls mob couldn't worry about how much it cost, and if it does worry any of them, Bronnie will probably hire a jet or a helicopter and fly them to some luxurious place to recuperate

We have to look after these precious little luvvies.
A month or two away should be enough. By then the grass will need mowing at the wives houses. ( you know the ones that they rent to their husbands while they're in the grind of working there, )
Still, it's all blue skies for hem. After all they can look forward to saving their $2 per week on their power bills.
Sorry that's right, they have to wait another two years before getting that. ........isn't that after the next Election and I wonder , if they Win, will that massive sum of S2 be stopped so that their pay can go up a thousand a week or so instead.
Naaaarrrgh.... that wouldn't happen!!
Just getting cynical..

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Unread post by Harvey » Fri 20 Oct, 2017 4:34 pm

I responded to the question explaining that I hardly know the person that sent it, but if they were to send a photo it might help me decide


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Unread post by Kul » Fri 20 Oct, 2017 5:16 pm

#voteYes

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Unread post by everett8 » Fri 20 Oct, 2017 7:31 pm

Can't wait to this matter is resolved as we have bigger things for the Govt to focus on.

I voted "Yes" as IMO it is a question about human rights and I don't believe we have the right to deprive two people of the right to get married.

Most Australians lives will not change with the decision.

The world needs more love anyway and as a proud parent you want your children no matter what sexuality they are to have equal rights.

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Unread post by claws » Mon 23 Oct, 2017 12:35 pm

Where has the support been for the transgender AFL player who was declined entry into the female AFL next season? As others have stated, you will open a can of worms if you vote yes on the topic of equality. Is this decision by the AFL descimination or not? Remember the AFL were vocal yes supporters. Go Weststigers!

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Unread post by formerguest » Mon 23 Oct, 2017 12:57 pm

claws wrote:
Mon 23 Oct, 2017 12:35 pm
Where has the support been for the transgender AFL player who was declined entry into the female AFL next season? As others have stated, you will open a can of worms if you vote yes on the topic of equality. Is this decision by the AFL descimination or not? Remember the AFL were vocal yes supporters. Go Weststigers!
Yet there are no worms wriggling around as a decision was made on health and safety grounds. If gay marriage was going to create a health and safety risk, I am pretty sure most yes voters would vote against it as well.

Thing is the didn't need to because they are separate issues, which is something the no campaign try to confuse. I received an example of that in my letterbox on Friday evening showing a list of supposed reasons to vote no that have nothing to do with the question.

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Unread post by GNR4LIFE » Mon 23 Oct, 2017 4:23 pm

formerguest wrote:
Mon 23 Oct, 2017 12:57 pm
claws wrote:
Mon 23 Oct, 2017 12:35 pm
Where has the support been for the transgender AFL player who was declined entry into the female AFL next season? As others have stated, you will open a can of worms if you vote yes on the topic of equality. Is this decision by the AFL descimination or not? Remember the AFL were vocal yes supporters. Go Weststigers!
Yet there are no worms wriggling around as a decision was made on health and safety grounds. If gay marriage was going to create a health and safety risk, I am pretty sure most yes voters would vote against it as well.

Thing is the didn't need to because they are separate issues, which is something the no campaign try to confuse. I received an example of that in my letterbox on Friday evening showing a list of supposed reasons to vote no that have nothing to do with the question.
A lot of arguments from the No side having nothing to do with the question. What children will be taught at school for example.

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Unread post by tiger05premier » Mon 23 Oct, 2017 5:38 pm

Haven't taken much notice of this topic but his my point of view anyway.

I voted yes .

The reason?

I'm not religious.

I'm not racist.

What other people do is none of my business.

If people love each other it's not my right to decide what's available to them as a couple.

It's not going to destroy my life if a gay couple get married.

They are humans .

They were born like that.

They don't choose to be like that.

Is there anything not normal, natural about it?

I don't know, I don't care.

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Unread post by Earl » Mon 23 Oct, 2017 6:30 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Mon 23 Oct, 2017 4:23 pm
formerguest wrote:
Mon 23 Oct, 2017 12:57 pm
claws wrote:
Mon 23 Oct, 2017 12:35 pm
Where has the support been for the transgender AFL player who was declined entry into the female AFL next season? As others have stated, you will open a can of worms if you vote yes on the topic of equality. Is this decision by the AFL descimination or not? Remember the AFL were vocal yes supporters. Go Weststigers!
Yet there are no worms wriggling around as a decision was made on health and safety grounds. If gay marriage was going to create a health and safety risk, I am pretty sure most yes voters would vote against it as well.

Thing is the didn't need to because they are separate issues, which is something the no campaign try to confuse. I received an example of that in my letterbox on Friday evening showing a list of supposed reasons to vote no that have nothing to do with the question.
A lot of arguments from the No side having nothing to do with the question. What children will be taught at school for example.
I just don't get it. You'd think that you have to come up with rational arguments when you have an opinion. The arguments in this case are off in bizzaro land yet again. The argument is about same sex marriage not a guy who has had an operation that wants to compete against girls.

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Unread post by Pawsandclaws » Mon 23 Oct, 2017 6:42 pm

tiger05premier wrote:
Mon 23 Oct, 2017 5:38 pm
Haven't taken much notice of this topic but his my point of view anyway.

I voted yes .

The reason?

I'm not religious.

I'm not racist.

What other people do is none of my business.

If people love each other it's not my right to decide what's available to them as a couple.

It's not going to destroy my life if a gay couple get married.

They are humans .

They were born like that.

They don't choose to be like that.

Is there anything not normal, natural about it?

I don't know, I don't care.
Clearly there are a number of factors involved in determination of sexual orientation. The example of identical male twins with differing orientations is proof that genetics may play a part but there are other factors involved. This LA Times article is interesting to read

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencen ... story.html

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Unread post by TrueTiger » Mon 23 Oct, 2017 8:53 pm

I started this thread as you all know and there has been some great conversations and debates around this topic,I have now come to the one and only conclusion regarding the yes or no vote and that is,it is purely up to each individual how and why they vote for which ever side...having said that my personal thoughts are that we are only on this earth for a short period of time and we should spend most of that time raising a family,working,helping people in need and doing the right thing by your family and friends as well as respecting other people and their lives as long as they don't interfere with yours..
Being a person raised in a hetro sexual family with strong catholic teachings,I do not disrespect others teachings and lifestyles..we all have to live our lives to the fullest in the best way we can,if two guys want to marry each other or two girls want to do the same,it is not up to me to be critical of their decisions..
which ever way this vote goes I hope it doesn't make any of our lives difficult to the point that we start wishing the worst for people..
You may see me struggle...but you will never see me quit... :D

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Unread post by claws » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 12:06 am

Yes, the decision was based on wh&s grounds. However, if a WAFL club sign an extraordinarily large female, will she be subject to the same rules in that she could hurt others? Should Soloma from the Storm not be allowed to play for wh&s reasons? Or this OK because it is men? Or is this just discrimination when it suits? What about the repercussions for the wellbeing of the transgender? Where does this leave her? The whole basis of the same sex marriage question was based on discrimination. Correct me if I'm wrong! Go Weststigers!

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Unread post by Byron Bay Fan » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 7:04 am

Sorry to trivalise the thread.

Good morning. We want to apply for a marriage license."

"Names?", said the clerk.
"Tim and Jim Jones."
"Jones?? Are you related?? I see a resemblance."
"Yes, we're brothers."
"Brothers?? You can't get married."
"Why not?? Aren't you giving marriage licenses to same gender couples?"
"Yes, thousands. But we haven't had any siblings. That's incest!"
"Incest?" No, we are not gay."
"Not gay?? Then why do you want to get married?"
"For the financial benefits, of course. And we do love each other. Besides, we don't have any other prospects."
"But we're issuing marriage licenses to gay and lesbian couples who've claim they'd been denied equal protection under law.
If you are not gay, you can get married to a woman."
"Wait a minute. A gay man has the same right to marry a woman as I have.
But just because I'm straight doesn't mean I want to marry a woman. I want to marry Jim."
"And I want to marry Tim, Are you going to discriminate against us just because we are not gay?"
"All right, all right. I'll give you your license. Next."
"Hi. We are here to get married."
"Names?"
"John Smith, Jane James, Robert Green, and June Johnson."
"Who wants to marry whom?"
"We all want to marry each other."
"But there are four of you!"
"That's right. You see, we're all bisexual. I love Jane and Robert, Jane loves me and June,

June loves Robert and Jane, and Robert loves June and me.

All of us getting married together is the only way that we can express our sexual preferences in a marital relationship."
"But we've only been granting licenses to gay and lesbian couples."
"So you're discriminating against bisexuals!"
"No, it's just that, well, the traditional idea of marriage is that it's just for couples."
"Since when are you standing on tradition?"
"Well, I mean, you have to draw the line somewhere."
"Who says?? There's no logical reason to limit marriage to couples.

The more the better. Besides, we demand our rights! The PM says the constitution guarantees equal protection under the law.

Give us a marriage license!"


"All right, all right. Next."
"Hello, I'd like a marriage license."
"In what names?"
"David Anderson."
"And the other man?"
"That's all. I want to marry myself."
"Marry yourself?? What do you mean?"
"Well, my psychiatrist says I have a dual personality, so I want to marry the two together.
Maybe I can file a joint income-tax return."
"That does it!? I quit!!? You people are making a mockery of marriage!!"
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Unread post by Tiger Watto » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 5:47 pm

When is this thing over? Surely if you havnt returned your form by now, you have no interest?
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Unread post by Geo. » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 6:04 pm

Tiger Watto wrote:
Tue 24 Oct, 2017 5:47 pm
When is this thing over? Surely if you havnt returned your form by now, you have no interest?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=When+does+the+Same ... +Australia
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Geo nailed it...

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