North Korea's Kim Jong-un meets South Korea's Moon Jae-in in DMZ for historic peace talks

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Post by Magpie Magic » Wed 16 May, 2018 1:40 pm

The world has never been controlled by one power but sadly the US is trying to do it now creating massive problems ,injustices and double standards world wide.
But thankfully the dream of US world control in never going to be a reality . With Russia back on the scene as a superpower and China newly so and in the future an EU super alliance the will be much balance and it will be better for all little countries and people as well as larger ones. And since they will all be nuclear backed they won't think of trying it on as it were. Because then even the winner loses.
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Post by Cultured Bogan » Wed 16 May, 2018 6:46 pm

Russia is not a superpower, they're regional, as is China. None of them match the military industrial complex that is the US. They're important in their locality, that's about it.
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Post by GNR4LIFE » Wed 16 May, 2018 8:09 pm

North Korea saying they may cancel meeting with US if if US demands it gives up nuclear weapons.

Little rocket man one ups Spanky McBonespurs.

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Post by Magpie Magic » Wed 16 May, 2018 11:20 pm

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Wed 16 May, 2018 6:46 pm
Russia is not a superpower, they're regional, as is China. None of them match the military industrial complex that is the US. They're important in their locality, that's about it.


Russia is not a superpower. You must be dreaming. Last month when that facade was going on in Syria the US Ambassador to Russia John Huntsman in his own words remarked " this is not a conflict between superpowers ". They are American words.
As for regional power with 6800 nukes able to strike any corner of the earth and even space including all areas of the US and like the US with the ability to end all life on earth makes them beyond regional.

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Post by Magpie Magic » Wed 16 May, 2018 11:29 pm

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Wed 16 May, 2018 8:09 pm
North Korea saying they may cancel meeting with US if if US demands it gives up nuclear weapons.

Little rocket man one ups Spanky McBonespurs.
Who can blame him. After The US scrapped the Iran deal without legal justification re the treaty they are showing the world they are not to be trusted. As they done in Iraq after they gave up their weapons they invaded them leading to the deaths of over 100k people on false pretences. I guess if you were North Korea you would be careful not to give up your weapons and then get invaded. The US has a poor track record lately in these and other trade deals with so called friendly countries like Australia even sadly.
They are losing touch with many people around the world sadly.


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Post by Cultured Bogan » Thu 17 May, 2018 8:01 am

Magpie Magic wrote:
Wed 16 May, 2018 11:20 pm
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Wed 16 May, 2018 6:46 pm
Russia is not a superpower, they're regional, as is China. None of them match the military industrial complex that is the US. They're important in their locality, that's about it.


Russia is not a superpower. You must be dreaming. Last month when that facade was going on in Syria the US Ambassador to Russia John Huntsman in his own words remarked " this is not a conflict between superpowers ". They are American words.
As for regional power with 6800 nukes able to strike any corner of the earth and even space including all areas of the US and like the US with the ability to end all life on earth makes them beyond regional.
Fair enough, they were his words. A lot of experts disagree.

Yes they have a stupid amount of nukes, but nuclear arsenal is not all that constitutes a superpower, because if that were the case we'd need start talking about Israel, Pakistan and India in the same terms. Their economy is shot, they don't have a global reach in terms of influence (they really only exert influence over their own backyard and the middle east,) and all they do at the minute is throw spanners in the US strategic policy (which I am not against, just to clarify.)

If anything, Russia don't look as though they want to appear or act as one, merely temper US influence.
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Post by Magpie Magic » Thu 17 May, 2018 10:57 am

Well Russia sure do have a big back yard they neighbour Europe Asia China and the US. They are all within range of their conventional weapons. Only Australia Africa and Latin America are out of range of their conventional weapons but they are not important global areas and still within nuclear reach. People sometimes refer to the US spending 10 times what Russia spends military wise but this dosent mean they have 10 times the military. The US spends most of its money on bases and the navy for a global reach areas Russia can reach from it's own land owing to it's geographically strategic position. Not to mention the US pays it's soldiers wages where's Russia s soldiers are paid conscript wages but don't let anyone tell you they are inferior. Historically they withstood 26 million dead in WW2 something the US would crumble under. Remember too the Russians are a homogeneous nation but with the US you could only count on around 120 million as people who would be reliable. The rest are a cheap labour force trying to make a quick buck.

As for India Israel and Pakistan they have a combined 600 or so nukes without the global reach and don't manufacture planes and smart weapons but buy them off Russia and the US so that's dosent compare..

Economically Russia I believe has little or no debt and can choke off the world from raw materials and energy.

Influence wise the US is stronger but declining. Europe will soon push them out and can compete technology wise but they have a lot of influence in North and South East Asia and Latin America amongst third world areas. But the Americans must be worried about Russia's influence because they are constantly trying to demonize them. Around the world many people quite like the new Russia and Putin as moderate but strong voices. If you believe that they tampered in the US elections well that means the can do what the US has been doing.
America is a very aggressive power something which China and Russia is not and has not been historically. But don't let that fool you as weakness. American culture wants to be over the top and over confident but they quickly change the subject on disappointments.
Thankfully they can not do what they like anymore. The Chinese and Russians can't either so this new found accountability is a great thing as it in in sport and business.

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Thu 17 May, 2018 12:40 pm

Magpie Magic wrote:
Thu 17 May, 2018 10:57 am
Well Russia sure do have a big back yard they neighbour Europe Asia China and the US. They are all within range of their conventional weapons. Only Australia Africa and Latin America are out of range of their conventional weapons but they are not important global areas and still within nuclear reach. People sometimes refer to the US spending 10 times what Russia spends military wise but this dosent mean they have 10 times the military. The US spends most of its money on bases and the navy for a global reach areas Russia can reach from it's own land owing to it's geographically strategic position. Not to mention the US pays it's soldiers wages where's Russia s soldiers are paid conscript wages but don't let anyone tell you they are inferior. Historically they withstood 26 million dead in WW2 something the US would crumble under. Remember too the Russians are a homogeneous nation but with the US you could only count on around 120 million as people who would be reliable. The rest are a cheap labour force trying to make a quick buck.

As for India Israel and Pakistan they have a combined 600 or so nukes without the global reach and don't manufacture planes and smart weapons but buy them off Russia and the US so that's dosent compare..

Economically Russia I believe has little or no debt and can choke off the world from raw materials and energy.

Influence wise the US is stronger but declining. Europe will soon push them out and can compete technology wise but they have a lot of influence in North and South East Asia and Latin America amongst third world areas. But the Americans must be worried about Russia's influence because they are constantly trying to demonize them. Around the world many people quite like the new Russia and Putin as moderate but strong voices. If you believe that they tampered in the US elections well that means the can do what the US has been doing.
America is a very aggressive power something which China and Russia is not and has not been historically. But don't let that fool you as weakness. American culture wants to be over the top and over confident but they quickly change the subject on disappointments.
Thankfully they can not do what they like anymore. The Chinese and Russians can't either so this new found accountability is a great thing as it in in sport and business.
Fair points.

Russia has a fair amount of external debt, but it is only a small percentage of their GDP (that is to say, less than 100%!)

Interestingly, it's a third of ours. With a smaller economy and the falling Ruble though I am not sure it would be "easy" to wipe out.

Overall I don't mind Russia's influence. As I said, they temper the aggressive US foreign policy and keep them in check. I was only debating that Russia don't fit the definition of superpower ;)
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Post by happy tiger » Thu 17 May, 2018 1:15 pm

Cultured Bogan wrote:
Thu 17 May, 2018 12:40 pm
Magpie Magic wrote:
Thu 17 May, 2018 10:57 am
Well Russia sure do have a big back yard they neighbour Europe Asia China and the US. They are all within range of their conventional weapons. Only Australia Africa and Latin America are out of range of their conventional weapons but they are not important global areas and still within nuclear reach. People sometimes refer to the US spending 10 times what Russia spends military wise but this dosent mean they have 10 times the military. The US spends most of its money on bases and the navy for a global reach areas Russia can reach from it's own land owing to it's geographically strategic position. Not to mention the US pays it's soldiers wages where's Russia s soldiers are paid conscript wages but don't let anyone tell you they are inferior. Historically they withstood 26 million dead in WW2 something the US would crumble under. Remember too the Russians are a homogeneous nation but with the US you could only count on around 120 million as people who would be reliable. The rest are a cheap labour force trying to make a quick buck.

As for India Israel and Pakistan they have a combined 600 or so nukes without the global reach and don't manufacture planes and smart weapons but buy them off Russia and the US so that's dosent compare..

Economically Russia I believe has little or no debt and can choke off the world from raw materials and energy.

Influence wise the US is stronger but declining. Europe will soon push them out and can compete technology wise but they have a lot of influence in North and South East Asia and Latin America amongst third world areas. But the Americans must be worried about Russia's influence because they are constantly trying to demonize them. Around the world many people quite like the new Russia and Putin as moderate but strong voices. If you believe that they tampered in the US elections well that means the can do what the US has been doing.
America is a very aggressive power something which China and Russia is not and has not been historically. But don't let that fool you as weakness. American culture wants to be over the top and over confident but they quickly change the subject on disappointments.
Thankfully they can not do what they like anymore. The Chinese and Russians can't either so this new found accountability is a great thing as it in in sport and business.
Fair points.

Russia has a fair amount of external debt, but it is only a small percentage of their GDP (that is to say, less than 100%!)

Interestingly, it's a third of ours. With a smaller economy and the falling Ruble though I am not sure it would be "easy" to wipe out.

Overall I don't mind Russia's influence. As I said, they temper the aggressive US foreign policy and keep them in check. I was only debating that Russia don't fit the definition of superpower ;)
Seriously though , who in their right mind would want to be a superpower in the current global situation

Bet the US wish they could pull the pin , you make yourself an obvious target to every flea bitten extremist group and then you have to enforce your power at every given moment one of them rises up against a supposed allies

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Post by magpiecol » Thu 17 May, 2018 5:44 pm

Magpie Magic wrote:
Thu 17 May, 2018 10:57 am
Well Russia sure do have a big back yard they neighbour Europe Asia China and the US. They are all within range of their conventional weapons. Only Australia Africa and Latin America are out of range of their conventional weapons but they are not important global areas and still within nuclear reach. People sometimes refer to the US spending 10 times what Russia spends military wise but this dosent mean they have 10 times the military. The US spends most of its money on bases and the navy for a global reach areas Russia can reach from it's own land owing to it's geographically strategic position. Not to mention the US pays it's soldiers wages where's Russia s soldiers are paid conscript wages but don't let anyone tell you they are inferior. Historically they withstood 26 million dead in WW2 something the US would crumble under. Remember too the Russians are a homogeneous nation but with the US you could only count on around 120 million as people who would be reliable. The rest are a cheap labour force trying to make a quick buck.

As for India Israel and Pakistan they have a combined 600 or so nukes without the global reach and don't manufacture planes and smart weapons but buy them off Russia and the US so that's dosent compare..

Economically Russia I believe has little or no debt and can choke off the world from raw materials and energy.

Influence wise the US is stronger but declining. Europe will soon push them out and can compete technology wise but they have a lot of influence in North and South East Asia and Latin America amongst third world areas. But the Americans must be worried about Russia's influence because they are constantly trying to demonize them. Around the world many people quite like the new Russia and Putin as moderate but strong voices. If you believe that they tampered in the US elections well that means the can do what the US has been doing.
America is a very aggressive power something which China and Russia is not and has not been historically. But don't let that fool you as weakness. American culture wants to be over the top and over confident but they quickly change the subject on disappointments.
Thankfully they can not do what they like anymore. The Chinese and Russians can't either so this new found accountability is a great thing as it in in sport and business.
Are you kidding?

Get off CNN and their fake news and educate yourself. :roll :roll

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Thu 17 May, 2018 7:48 pm

Want to substaniate your opinion Col, or do you believe everything Dumb Fux News tells you?
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Post by magpiecol » Sun 27 May, 2018 10:38 am

Russia has an economy equal to California.

There's no legal agreement in regards to Iran as the deal was done by Obama. Without the consent of Congress or the Senate.

I would just add, be very careful what you wish for. Without America God help us all.

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Post by Harvey » Sun 27 May, 2018 11:46 am

America are bullies, but far from stupid. They have gone into countries that do not have strong military & exerted influence, but are not willing to stand up to other big powers.

Look at China building artificial islands in Philippines & Vietnam's territorial waters and basing bombers and missiles there. America has spoken harshly while this all occurred, but done nothing.

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Post by magpiecol » Mon 28 May, 2018 6:10 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Wed 16 May, 2018 8:09 pm
North Korea saying they may cancel meeting with US if if US demands it gives up nuclear weapons.

Little rocket man one ups Spanky McBonespurs.
Oops.

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