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Re: Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

Post by Byron Bay Fan » Sat 18 Aug, 2018 10:08 am

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The more logical conclusion is to have solar feed the rest of you home and leave the air con on the grid. Same result, removing base load off the grid. It is not feasible to have air conditioning fed off solar without it becoming fiercely more expensive.

Also a thing to remember is that old more power hungry systems are being removed everyday so where more units are being installed, older units that use more harmful refrigerants and are grossly inefficient are being removed. Refrigeration is the biggest user of power. That is one of the single highest uses of power, again which majors are transitioning to lower energy and Natural refrigerant systems.

It will take time but the industry is catching up because power is becoming so expensive and due to issues surrounding synthetic refrigerants.
would it be wise to deny solar feeding the aircon about 12 hours a day whilst the sun is out and temperature is hot and the grid most expensive? Without a battery system saving the solar energy and household consumption less during the day much of the solar energy could be lost. Put them both on the grid being supported by solar that would come in stronger when the aircon is needed and the energy not wasted. In Byron I get sea breezes and find fans are adequate and no heaters during winter.
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Post by Chris » Sat 18 Aug, 2018 10:39 am

Looks like Peter Dutton is going to challenge Turnball for the leadership. This needs to happen in a major way otherwise the LNP will get destroyed at the election with Turnball as leader. He cant win.

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Sat 18 Aug, 2018 3:12 pm

Byron Bay Fan wrote:
Sat 18 Aug, 2018 10:08 am
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Sat 18 Aug, 2018 8:24 am
The more logical conclusion is to have solar feed the rest of you home and leave the air con on the grid. Same result, removing base load off the grid. It is not feasible to have air conditioning fed off solar without it becoming fiercely more expensive.

Also a thing to remember is that old more power hungry systems are being removed everyday so where more units are being installed, older units that use more harmful refrigerants and are grossly inefficient are being removed. Refrigeration is the biggest user of power. That is one of the single highest uses of power, again which majors are transitioning to lower energy and Natural refrigerant systems.

It will take time but the industry is catching up because power is becoming so expensive and due to issues surrounding synthetic refrigerants.
would it be wise to deny solar feeding the aircon about 12 hours a day whilst the sun is out and temperature is hot and the grid most expensive? Without a battery system saving the solar energy and household consumption less during the day much of the solar energy could be lost. Put them both on the grid being supported by solar that would come in stronger when the aircon is needed and the energy not wasted. In Byron I get sea breezes and find fans are adequate and no heaters during winter.
I should have stipulated that I would expect battery storage to be installed as well.
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Post by Cultured Bogan » Sat 18 Aug, 2018 3:19 pm

formerguest wrote:
Sat 18 Aug, 2018 9:21 am
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Sat 18 Aug, 2018 8:24 am
The more logical conclusion is to have solar feed the rest of you home and leave the air con on the grid. Same result, removing base load off the grid. It is not feasible to have air conditioning fed off solar without it becoming fiercely more expensive.

Also a thing to remember is that old more power hungry systems are being removed everyday so where more units are being installed, older units that use more harmful refrigerants and are grossly inefficient are being removed. Refrigeration is the biggest user of power. That is one of the single highest uses of power, again which majors are transitioning to lower energy and Natural refrigerant systems.

It will take time but the industry is catching up because power is becoming so expensive and due to issues surrounding synthetic refrigerants.
I had a 6.05kw string solar panel array installed east/west on Feb 2nd and apart from sucking up some extra juice at start up, found it normally easily feeds my older 8.1/9kw Mitsi split inverter during the brighter hot hours. It is serving a far from ideal, uninsulated cathedral style living area, but of course, I only set it to a comfortable temperature to suit the season, rather than a "teenager" type setting. It is currently heating the area at 21 degrees and not using any power from the grid.

I certainly have noticed a few pubs and liquor cellars have large arrays to offset their no doubt very substantial usage.
8kW really isn't that big. That'd be a 10A compressor on startup and would be rated for somewhere between 45 and 48 degree ambient, adding that it is fitted with an inverter so a 6kW array should handle it pretty well on anything lower than say 40 degrees. Mitsi are a good unit too.

You'll have more issues if you're running multiple splittys or a split ducted system, those things are still pigs.
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Post by Cultured Bogan » Sat 18 Aug, 2018 3:19 pm

Chris wrote:
Sat 18 Aug, 2018 10:39 am
Looks like Peter Dutton is going to challenge Turnball for the leadership. This needs to happen in a major way otherwise the LNP will get destroyed at the election with Turnball as leader. He cant win.
Ugh, that bloke is a spud.
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Post by formerguest » Wed 22 Aug, 2018 9:47 pm

The lack of comment on the latest knives in the back of a serving PM shows how immune we have become to a now oh so common occurrence.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the planet, the leader of a country has only only escaped being arrested and charged because he is the President. Not likely, but if the Democrats happen to overcome the structural voting improbability and pull off control of the congress in upcoming midterms, then impeachment will be greeting Trump.

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Post by jadtiger » Thu 23 Aug, 2018 9:44 am

3 more rats left the sinking government today.Lets hope this farce is over shortly and we have an election.
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Post by Yossarian » Thu 23 Aug, 2018 10:15 am

Looks like Arnie has terminated Turnbull

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Post by formerguest » Thu 23 Aug, 2018 10:39 am

The latest iteration has Morrison taking on Dutton. Geez, Dutton is unpalatable to me, but Morrison not far behind. Surely there is a reasonable candidate amongst them.

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Post by Abraham » Thu 23 Aug, 2018 1:11 pm

So satisfying watching Turnbull being brought down by his own team.

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Thu 23 Aug, 2018 7:04 pm

It is satisfying to watch the Libs tear themselves apart again. Tony "not a wrecker" Abbott is balls deep in this.
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Post by jadtiger » Fri 24 Aug, 2018 7:14 am

Cultured Bogan wrote:
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It is satisfying to watch the Libs tear themselves apart again. Tony "not a wrecker" Abbott is balls deep in this.
The crazy part of it all is that Abbott would undoubtedly believe that he is doing the right thing(again).How his wife who is fine puts up with him i will never know.

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Post by formerguest » Fri 24 Aug, 2018 7:56 am

Bishop is a reasonable candidate that would spare us from a lot of dog whistling style politics that will no doubt be coming either way. If Dutton wins, whilst he will be softening his persona to appeal to a wider audience, the campaign will be horrible for many marginalised groups.

Abbott has ruined this current decade federally.

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Post by formerguest » Fri 24 Aug, 2018 12:52 pm

At least it's not Dutton, so some sanity has prevailed.

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Fri 24 Aug, 2018 1:12 pm

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At least it's not Dutton, so some sanity has prevailed.
Morrison is definitely a less concerning choice. Still two sides of the same coin though.
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Post by jadtiger » Fri 24 Aug, 2018 1:35 pm

It wont take long for the radical right of the party to start knifing Morrison they didnt get their man in.2gb and murdochs hatchet people in news/fox will soon start white anting him

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Post by Chris » Fri 24 Aug, 2018 2:11 pm

ScoMo = Turnball V2.

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Fri 24 Aug, 2018 2:14 pm

Chris wrote:
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ScoMo = Turnball V2.
Better than potato head Dutton, Abbott or any of those associated with that cabal of psychopaths.
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