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Post by Byron Bay Fan » Sat 28 Oct, 2017 12:19 pm

Very interesting. Must have been an interesting time to be alive with the civil rights movement and baby boomers etc, MLK; Marylin Monroe etc

Sounds like JFK was loved by many at the time. Far cry from Obama and Trump. Sounds like JFK saved us all during the cuban missle crisis. I read he wanted to blow up the CIA and the federal reserve. Funny you and many others remember where they were. Yet when HW Bush was asked he cannot recall and there were records of receipts of his stay at Sheraton Hotel Dallas & photo of him.

Do you remember tihngs like MLK; Bobby Kennedy assassinations?
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The great items in the boomer youth (if you weren't too old in the head by age 20) was the new morality for better and worse - the sexual revolution, the Hippies, the greatest musical revolution ever I reckon, the environmental movement, women's lib, the defeat of racism in many quarters, escapism as espoused by the Kinks, the Animals and Leon Burger, and the shredding of colonialism. But during our watch nuke weapons got completely out of hand as well as the motor car age and pollution - they are the terrible legacy that we may never overcome. In OZ we "gave away" West Papua to Indonesia, shocking on our part.
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Post by Pawsandclaws » Sat 28 Oct, 2017 2:44 pm

One of the best articles I have read concerning the source of the leak on the raid of AWU offices.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment ... z9bfr.html

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Post by Yossarian » Sat 28 Oct, 2017 6:24 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 8:20 am
Yossarian wrote:
Fri 27 Oct, 2017 11:11 pm
I wouldn't waste too much time with the conspiracy nonsense. Bush Snr was in the oil business in 1963. I doubt anyone with any credibility thinks he was involved in Kennedy being killed. Oswald was responsible and the evidence to support that is overwhelming.

I've been to the Lorraine Hotel where MLK was shot - it's now a civil rights museum. You get access to both King's murder site and the flea bag room where Ray shot from. Powerful stuff.
Please.

On the info that's being declassified, whoopdy doo. Nothing that's being now released is going to be groundbreaking. Besides, any info that's released is only info that the Governmemt have had over 50 years to doctor to their liking.
I doubt anything would convince you. Anyone whose studied the evidence and has investigate training will tell you Oswald did it and the evidence stacks up. Well most of them anyway.

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Post by Yossarian » Sat 28 Oct, 2017 6:29 pm

kevinmcguiness wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 12:14 am
Yossarian wrote:
Fri 27 Oct, 2017 11:11 pm
I wouldn't waste too much time with the conspiracy nonsense. Bush Snr was in the oil business in 1963. I doubt anyone with any credibility thinks he was involved in Kennedy being killed. Oswald was responsible and the evidence to support that is overwhelming.

I've been to the Lorraine Hotel where MLK was shot - it's now a civil rights museum. You get access to both King's murder site and the flea bag room where Ray shot from. Powerful stuff.
There were CIA articles singling out Bush lol
But on the contrary, the evidence actually points to at least 8 shooters on the day. And the evidence points to LHO being a patsy. From all the evidence gathered LHO has nothing to do with the assasination. There is countless testimony from witnesses and family and friends. Most profound was LBJs partner who recounted the meeting the night before the assassination where bush; LBJ; The mob; Hoover were all there.
Okay what evidence? On the contrary there are a stack of witnesses and evidence from the purchase of the gun to his death. I'm not sure what you're reading. It's certainly not primary evidence. 8 shooters? Please.

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Post by hammertime » Sat 28 Oct, 2017 8:11 pm

goldcoast tiger wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 8:17 am
To those who think the court decision is a waste of time, would they feel so benovelent if it was half a dozen Labour Pollies who got caught.
Turnbull has egg all over him ( again) for thinking that he could pick and choose which laws he could obey, and which ones he could ignore.
For him and the And the Nationals to hold out , and make it go to the high court shows their contempt towards those of us who are expected to obey all laws, whether we are aware of them or otherwise.
My only problem with it is that these people have been getting a bucketful of Taxpayers money , and will continue to do so, while they were in the parliament and voting on MANY
bills over the years.
They were not even eligible to be there!!!!!
They were taking( knowingly or not) money under illegal circumstances.
And should have to pay it back!!!
Any of us in those circumstances would have to. Wages , super, the whole lot.

Labour is Nuts if they don't use this to the hilt.
Imagine Abbot and Turnbull getting this free kick.
They'd go for the throat.
Shorten needs to do the same to them
Unfortunately Joyce will get back in, but the money he's acrued illegally shoul be paid back .
Turnbull is really squirming with this and the Cash bungle, both these things are going to hurt him for quite a long while
You've lost the plot cgt. If you really think this is a significant issue, some obscure rule that no one knew about, then the only thing it highlights is an incredible bias on your behalf.

The thing about you suggesting they paying years of wages back, when these guys have families to look after, is just stone dead cold. Why don't you go and take the food back out of his kids mouths?

Man, there are bigger things to worry about in this world than what amounts to basically admin errors!


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Post by Bob » Sat 28 Oct, 2017 8:49 pm

hammertime wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 8:11 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 8:17 am
To those who think the court decision is a waste of time, would they feel so benovelent if it was half a dozen Labour Pollies who got caught.
Turnbull has egg all over him ( again) for thinking that he could pick and choose which laws he could obey, and which ones he could ignore.
For him and the And the Nationals to hold out , and make it go to the high court shows their contempt towards those of us who are expected to obey all laws, whether we are aware of them or otherwise.
My only problem with it is that these people have been getting a bucketful of Taxpayers money , and will continue to do so, while they were in the parliament and voting on MANY
bills over the years.
They were not even eligible to be there!!!!!
They were taking( knowingly or not) money under illegal circumstances.
And should have to pay it back!!!
Any of us in those circumstances would have to. Wages , super, the whole lot.

Labour is Nuts if they don't use this to the hilt.
Imagine Abbot and Turnbull getting this free kick.
They'd go for the throat.
Shorten needs to do the same to them
Unfortunately Joyce will get back in, but the money he's acrued illegally shoul be paid back .
Turnbull is really squirming with this and the Cash bungle, both these things are going to hurt him for quite a long while
You've lost the plot cgt. If you really think this is a significant issue, some obscure rule that no one knew about, then the only thing it highlights is an incredible bias on your behalf.

The thing about you suggesting they paying years of wages back, when these guys have families to look after, is just stone dead cold. Why don't you go and take the food back out of his kids mouths?

Man, there are bigger things to worry about in this world than what amounts to basically admin errors!
I don't really think you can call them "admin" errors. These people are politicians who are employed to understand and pass laws into our country. On Day one they would of been asked to sign a legal document to be admitted into parliament. In that document it would of outlined the eligibility requirements.

Regardless if they"didn't understand" the document or "didn't read it in its entirety" as a politician both of these are fundamental aspects of their job. As with many jobs, if you are found to be neglectful in your duties you can be sued or face gaol time if it is severe in its nature. I don't think the case in this instance is severe ( no one died) however it's fair for the question to be asked, and somebody that neglectful or incompetent in there job should never be allowed to undertake the task again.

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Sat 28 Oct, 2017 9:42 pm

Yossarian wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 6:24 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 8:20 am
Yossarian wrote:
Fri 27 Oct, 2017 11:11 pm
I wouldn't waste too much time with the conspiracy nonsense. Bush Snr was in the oil business in 1963. I doubt anyone with any credibility thinks he was involved in Kennedy being killed. Oswald was responsible and the evidence to support that is overwhelming.

I've been to the Lorraine Hotel where MLK was shot - it's now a civil rights museum. You get access to both King's murder site and the flea bag room where Ray shot from. Powerful stuff.
Please.

On the info that's being declassified, whoopdy doo. Nothing that's being now released is going to be groundbreaking. Besides, any info that's released is only info that the Governmemt have had over 50 years to doctor to their liking.
I doubt anything would convince you. Anyone whose studied the evidence and has investigate training will tell you Oswald did it and the evidence stacks up. Well most of them anyway.
As I'm sure anything I could present would not convince you. I'm sure you'd just say I'm a conspiracy nut.

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Post by kevinmcguiness » Sun 29 Oct, 2017 12:44 am

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 9:42 pm
Yossarian wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 6:24 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 8:20 am
Yossarian wrote:
Fri 27 Oct, 2017 11:11 pm
I wouldn't waste too much time with the conspiracy nonsense. Bush Snr was in the oil business in 1963. I doubt anyone with any credibility thinks he was involved in Kennedy being killed. Oswald was responsible and the evidence to support that is overwhelming.

I've been to the Lorraine Hotel where MLK was shot - it's now a civil rights museum. You get access to both King's murder site and the flea bag room where Ray shot from. Powerful stuff.
Please.

On the info that's being declassified, whoopdy doo. Nothing that's being now released is going to be groundbreaking. Besides, any info that's released is only info that the Governmemt have had over 50 years to doctor to their liking.
I doubt anything would convince you. Anyone whose studied the evidence and has investigate training will tell you Oswald did it and the evidence stacks up. Well most of them anyway.
As I'm sure anything I could present would not convince you. I'm sure you'd just say I'm a conspiracy nut.
Yoss, would you seriously like me to go through all the hard evidence? this thread would be hijacked. i doubt you'd still be convinced. you would have to be very very naive to think the president could be assassinated without help from an agency. William Greer stopped the limo, you can see it on youtube.

Yes, there were at least 8 shooters:

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Post by Geo. » Sun 29 Oct, 2017 7:03 am

And here I thought the X-Men documentary proved Magneto did it...
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Post by goldcoast tiger » Sun 29 Oct, 2017 8:57 am

hammertime wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 8:11 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 8:17 am
To those who think the court decision is a waste of time, would they feel so benovelent if it was half a dozen Labour Pollies who got caught.
Turnbull has egg all over him ( again) for thinking that he could pick and choose which laws he could obey, and which ones he could ignore.
For him and the And the Nationals to hold out , and make it go to the high court shows their contempt towards those of us who are expected to obey all laws, whether we are aware of them or otherwise.
My only problem with it is that these people have been getting a bucketful of Taxpayers money , and will continue to do so, while they were in the parliament and voting on MANY
bills over the years.
They were not even eligible to be there!!!!!
They were taking( knowingly or not) money under illegal circumstances.
And should have to pay it back!!!
Any of us in those circumstances would have to. Wages , super, the whole lot.

Labour is Nuts if they don't use this to the hilt.
Imagine Abbot and Turnbull getting this free kick.
They'd go for the throat.
Shorten needs to do the same to them
Unfortunately Joyce will get back in, but the money he's acrued illegally shoul be paid back .
Turnbull is really squirming with this and the Cash bungle, both these things are going to hurt him for quite a long while
You've lost the plot cgt. If you really think this is a significant issue, some obscure rule that no one knew about, then the only thing it highlights is an incredible bias on your behalf.

The thing about you suggesting they paying years of wages back, when these guys have families to look after, is just stone dead cold. Why don't you go and take the food back out of his kids mouths?

Man, there are bigger things to worry about in this world than what amounts to basically admin errors!
As I first asked, would you out be so benevolent if it was the Labour Party under the gun.
As ignorance of the law is no defence when it's a normal citizen , Why shouldn't that apply to Pollies as well.
Do you think that because you don't think it's important , that it's ok to brush it under the carpet.
Remember, it was Turnbull who took it to the HC, hoping to rope some Labour Pollies as well.
Turnbull should of sacked them immediately , even if it was simply for being idiots. As for them and their families , that's for them to sort out.
Morons like that don't deserve to be voting on important decisions in the Parliament.
If they can't remember what country they are citizens of , they dont deserve to be there.
Plain Stupid

Why should we be paying Money to people who can't even keep their own lives sorted, let alone ours.
How many decisions have been made on illegal votes.?
This lot weren't just illegal last week.
They've been illegal ever since they were elected,
Why shouldn't they pay back money obtained illegally?

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Post by Pawsandclaws » Sun 29 Oct, 2017 11:20 am

hammertime wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 8:11 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 8:17 am
To those who think the court decision is a waste of time, would they feel so benovelent if it was half a dozen Labour Pollies who got caught.
Turnbull has egg all over him ( again) for thinking that he could pick and choose which laws he could obey, and which ones he could ignore.
For him and the And the Nationals to hold out , and make it go to the high court shows their contempt towards those of us who are expected to obey all laws, whether we are aware of them or otherwise.
My only problem with it is that these people have been getting a bucketful of Taxpayers money , and will continue to do so, while they were in the parliament and voting on MANY
bills over the years.
They were not even eligible to be there!!!!!
They were taking( knowingly or not) money under illegal circumstances.
And should have to pay it back!!!
Any of us in those circumstances would have to. Wages , super, the whole lot.

Labour is Nuts if they don't use this to the hilt.
Imagine Abbot and Turnbull getting this free kick.
They'd go for the throat.
Shorten needs to do the same to them
Unfortunately Joyce will get back in, but the money he's acrued illegally shoul be paid back .
Turnbull is really squirming with this and the Cash bungle, both these things are going to hurt him for quite a long while
You've lost the plot cgt. If you really think this is a significant issue, some obscure rule that no one knew about, then the only thing it highlights is an incredible bias on your behalf.

The thing about you suggesting they paying years of wages back, when these guys have families to look after, is just stone dead cold. Why don't you go and take the food back out of his kids mouths?

Man, there are bigger things to worry about in this world than what amounts to basically admin errors!
Turnbull and the squaddies were vocal about the 2 Greens' Senators paying back the salaries they had been paid when ineligible to sit in Parliament. Now that the Conservatives have been exposed, there is hushed silence from Turnbull and Co.

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Post by hammertime » Sun 29 Oct, 2017 3:51 pm

Pawsandclaws wrote:
Sun 29 Oct, 2017 11:20 am
hammertime wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 8:11 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 8:17 am
To those who think the court decision is a waste of time, would they feel so benovelent if it was half a dozen Labour Pollies who got caught.
Turnbull has egg all over him ( again) for thinking that he could pick and choose which laws he could obey, and which ones he could ignore.
For him and the And the Nationals to hold out , and make it go to the high court shows their contempt towards those of us who are expected to obey all laws, whether we are aware of them or otherwise.
My only problem with it is that these people have been getting a bucketful of Taxpayers money , and will continue to do so, while they were in the parliament and voting on MANY
bills over the years.
They were not even eligible to be there!!!!!
They were taking( knowingly or not) money under illegal circumstances.
And should have to pay it back!!!
Any of us in those circumstances would have to. Wages , super, the whole lot.

Labour is Nuts if they don't use this to the hilt.
Imagine Abbot and Turnbull getting this free kick.
They'd go for the throat.
Shorten needs to do the same to them
Unfortunately Joyce will get back in, but the money he's acrued illegally shoul be paid back .
Turnbull is really squirming with this and the Cash bungle, both these things are going to hurt him for quite a long while
You've lost the plot cgt. If you really think this is a significant issue, some obscure rule that no one knew about, then the only thing it highlights is an incredible bias on your behalf.

The thing about you suggesting they paying years of wages back, when these guys have families to look after, is just stone dead cold. Why don't you go and take the food back out of his kids mouths?

Man, there are bigger things to worry about in this world than what amounts to basically admin errors!
Turnbull and the squaddies were vocal about the 2 Greens' Senators paying back the salaries they had been paid when ineligible to sit in Parliament. Now that the Conservatives have been exposed, there is hushed silence from Turnbull and Co.
You know what guys, I apologise. I actually agree with you now. I hadn't seen Turnbull's quotes on the matter about the Greens - what an absolute dropkick. I hate to say it, but he has to be nearly on last legs.

Even if it's opposition that he's trying to take down, it's just pure in-human like attacking someone like that when they've worked hard. You're talking about taking back years of salary from them for an error like that. No workplace anywhere would work like that!

Man our country is stuffed though if we keep turning over leaders like this.

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Post by Yossarian » Sun 29 Oct, 2017 4:04 pm

kevinmcguiness wrote:
Sun 29 Oct, 2017 12:44 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 9:42 pm
Yossarian wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 6:24 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 8:20 am

Please.

On the info that's being declassified, whoopdy doo. Nothing that's being now released is going to be groundbreaking. Besides, any info that's released is only info that the Governmemt have had over 50 years to doctor to their liking.
I doubt anything would convince you. Anyone whose studied the evidence and has investigate training will tell you Oswald did it and the evidence stacks up. Well most of them anyway.
As I'm sure anything I could present would not convince you. I'm sure you'd just say I'm a conspiracy nut.
Yoss, would you seriously like me to go through all the hard evidence? this thread would be hijacked. i doubt you'd still be convinced. you would have to be very very naive to think the president could be assassinated without help from an agency. William Greer stopped the limo, you can see it on youtube.

Yes, there were at least 8 shooters:
You brought it up. All that rubbish about Bush.

Greer didn't stop the car. It was always moving.

Of course I won't be convinced - my background is in criminal investigation. I deal with facts not conjecture. People saw Oswald in that window. There's no reliable evidence to support any other shooter. Not a single other person.

That video is pathetic - based on their yellow line the "shooter" must have been a midget in a drain. Greer screwed up but anyone who thinks he shot JFK is living in fantasy land.

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Post by Yossarian » Sun 29 Oct, 2017 4:10 pm

Geo. wrote:
Sun 29 Oct, 2017 7:03 am
And here I thought the X-Men documentary proved Magneto did it...
It would be more realistic than most of the theories.

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Post by Magnus » Sun 29 Oct, 2017 5:59 pm

Yossarian wrote:
Sun 29 Oct, 2017 4:04 pm
kevinmcguiness wrote:
Sun 29 Oct, 2017 12:44 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 9:42 pm
Yossarian wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 6:24 pm


I doubt anything would convince you. Anyone whose studied the evidence and has investigate training will tell you Oswald did it and the evidence stacks up. Well most of them anyway.
As I'm sure anything I could present would not convince you. I'm sure you'd just say I'm a conspiracy nut.
Yoss, would you seriously like me to go through all the hard evidence? this thread would be hijacked. i doubt you'd still be convinced. you would have to be very very naive to think the president could be assassinated without help from an agency. William Greer stopped the limo, you can see it on youtube.

Yes, there were at least 8 shooters:
You brought it up. All that rubbish about Bush.

Greer didn't stop the car. It was always moving.

Of course I won't be convinced - my background is in criminal investigation. I deal with facts not conjecture. People saw Oswald in that window. There's no reliable evidence to support any other shooter. Not a single other person.

That video is pathetic - based on their yellow line the "shooter" must have been a midget in a drain. Greer screwed up but anyone who thinks he shot JFK is living in fantasy land.
I don't get it, if lho did it and he was behind JFK @ the depository why did JFKs head move violently backwards. Doesn't make any sense.

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Post by tsjonathan » Sun 29 Oct, 2017 6:56 pm

Magnus wrote:
Sun 29 Oct, 2017 5:59 pm
Yossarian wrote:
Sun 29 Oct, 2017 4:04 pm
kevinmcguiness wrote:
Sun 29 Oct, 2017 12:44 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 28 Oct, 2017 9:42 pm

As I'm sure anything I could present would not convince you. I'm sure you'd just say I'm a conspiracy nut.
Yoss, would you seriously like me to go through all the hard evidence? this thread would be hijacked. i doubt you'd still be convinced. you would have to be very very naive to think the president could be assassinated without help from an agency. William Greer stopped the limo, you can see it on youtube.

Yes, there were at least 8 shooters:
You brought it up. All that rubbish about Bush.

Greer didn't stop the car. It was always moving.

Of course I won't be convinced - my background is in criminal investigation. I deal with facts not conjecture. People saw Oswald in that window. There's no reliable evidence to support any other shooter. Not a single other person.

That video is pathetic - based on their yellow line the "shooter" must have been a midget in a drain. Greer screwed up but anyone who thinks h
e shot JFK is living in fantasy land.
I don't get it, if lho did it and he was behind JFK @ the depository why did JFKs head move violently backwards. Doesn't make any sense.
Nightcrawler teleported Oswald from behind to the front

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 9:05 am

hammertime wrote:
Fri 27 Oct, 2017 8:27 pm
formerguest wrote:
Fri 27 Oct, 2017 5:20 pm
hammertime wrote:
Fri 27 Oct, 2017 4:48 pm
So Barnaby has been kicked out + 4 others. Man this is a massive waste of tax dollars.
All because their parties have/had inadequate procedures in place. Apart from that already expended and with the by election to come, the decision to not stand Joyce aside, particularly from his ministerial roles, could prove very costly indeed.

In the meantime, we have drugs and guns potentially flooding into our country following funding being cut to be diverted to things such as SSM surveys and multiple energy reports that are rejected by a few powerful climate deniers.
Mate, no offence, but you really are one-eyed.
In reference to FG's first paragraph, I fail to see where they are wrong. The Greens, One Nation and Nationals all got stung. The Liberals and ALP didn't have anyone pinged which suggests they have extensive vetting procedures or are quite good at burying information. Since the Nats are in coalition with the Libs, you'd have thought they would have done their due diligence and ensured their Nats counterparts (especially the deputy PM,) would be compliant with the election rules as laid out as per the constitution.

Not knowing is not a legitimate defence. If I get pinged by a speed camera I can't claim that I didn't know I was speeding.
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Post by magpiecol » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 9:07 am

Where are Scully and Mulder when you need them?

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