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Post by GNR4LIFE » Wed 10 Jan, 2018 7:32 am

The last thing the Oval office needs is another celebrity, whether Liberal or Conservative. Time to resume normal programming in 2020.


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Post by Abraham » Wed 10 Jan, 2018 8:23 am

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If this Parliament goes its full term, Labor wont go to the polls with Shorten. The ALP need to find someone who will be more popular than the sitting Prime Minister. [Not sure who the PM will be :D ]
Didn't labor change the rules as to how they elect their leaders, after the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd fiasco? If so its almost impossible to dump Shorten without a rank and file revolt.

I'm sure Bill will be there on election day with this slimy grin, getting slapped on the back by his corrupt union mates, dumbfounded as to whether he should eat his sausage sandwich from the side or the top.

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Post by Munk » Wed 10 Jan, 2018 8:24 am

Cultured Bogan wrote:
Tue 09 Jan, 2018 7:32 pm
Munk wrote:
Tue 09 Jan, 2018 2:33 pm
Great to hear the Democrats have tapped Oprah Winfrey on the shoulder for next election. Trump better get comfortable, the opposition have stopped trying.
Well it worked for the Republicans to be fair...
Only because people were tired of politicians and once he became nominated, he ran against one of the most corrupt and scandalous persons to ever hold public office. She was easy to take down. It was a protest vote and a clear message to Washington from the general public. It seems the Democrats just dont get it. Lightning wont strike twice so copying the Republican strategy wont work. They must run someone with impecable political acumen to retake power not another celebrity who is sure to run on a racist and feminism ticket. The public are sick of being spoken down to and Winfrey will lose worse than Clinton.

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Post by Abraham » Wed 10 Jan, 2018 8:37 am

Munk wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 8:24 am
Only because people were tired of politicians and once he became nominated, he ran against one of the most corrupt and scandalous persons to ever hold public office. She was easy to take down. It was a protest vote and a clear message to Washington from the general public. It seems the Democrats just dont get it. Lightning wont strike twice so copying the Republican strategy wont work. They must run someone with impecable political acumen to retake power not another celebrity who is sure to run on a racist and feminism ticket. The public are sick of being spoken down to and Winfrey will lose worse than Clinton.
The Dem's problem is they really have no-one else to run with at the moment.

Joe Biden looks like their best and most moderate candidate, and it will be his 78th birthday by the time the 2020 election comes around. Other than him, the other contenders are all rabid leftists with no mainstream appeal outside of their existing base (think Kamala Harris, Keith Ellerson, Elizabeth Warren). I think the only thing that gets a Democrat elected in 2020 is if Republicans stay home and don't vote, which is a possibility.

Oprah won't run. A presidential campaign will take her out of her scripted comfort zone and make her take positions on issues that will make her extremely unpopular with large segments of the country. She has too much to lose and nothing but ego to gain.

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Post by colmcd » Wed 10 Jan, 2018 4:43 pm

Abraham wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 8:37 am
Munk wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 8:24 am
Only because people were tired of politicians and once he became nominated, he ran against one of the most corrupt and scandalous persons to ever hold public office. She was easy to take down. It was a protest vote and a clear message to Washington from the general public. It seems the Democrats just dont get it. Lightning wont strike twice so copying the Republican strategy wont work. They must run someone with impecable political acumen to retake power not another celebrity who is sure to run on a racist and feminism ticket. The public are sick of being spoken down to and Winfrey will lose worse than Clinton.
The Dem's problem is they really have no-one else to run with at the moment.

Joe Biden looks like their best and most moderate candidate, and it will be his 78th birthday by the time the 2020 election comes around. Other than him, the other contenders are all rabid leftists with no mainstream appeal outside of their existing base (think Kamala Harris, Keith Ellerson, Elizabeth Warren). I think the only thing that gets a Democrat elected in 2020 is if Republicans stay home and don't vote, which is a possibility.

Oprah won't run. A presidential campaign will take her out of her scripted comfort zone and make her take positions on issues that will make her extremely unpopular with large segments of the country. She has too much to lose and nothing but ego to gain.
Why call Leftists Rabid. The Rabid right have elected don"kkk" trump as POTUS. Nothing more rabid then a pussy grabber. ( :? or a father who would so do his daughter??). Do you think there is a politician more Rabid then Donald? Berlusconi and his viagra fueled parties maybe...

Liz Warren does however have mainstream appeal. She has had endorsements from quite a few Republicans because of her sensible pursuit against wall street interests. She is marginally moderate on social issues but AWESOME on economic issues. One of the few people who get why conmen are ruining the economy and how families are hurting bad.

I agree that Oprah probably won't run. She would if the donald showed a massive lead. She might go for a Senate seat perhaps. Somewhere marginally Republican that she can swing across.


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Post by Abraham » Wed 10 Jan, 2018 5:02 pm

colmcd wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 4:43 pm
Abraham wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 8:37 am
Munk wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 8:24 am
Only because people were tired of politicians and once he became nominated, he ran against one of the most corrupt and scandalous persons to ever hold public office. She was easy to take down. It was a protest vote and a clear message to Washington from the general public. It seems the Democrats just dont get it. Lightning wont strike twice so copying the Republican strategy wont work. They must run someone with impecable political acumen to retake power not another celebrity who is sure to run on a racist and feminism ticket. The public are sick of being spoken down to and Winfrey will lose worse than Clinton.
The Dem's problem is they really have no-one else to run with at the moment.

Joe Biden looks like their best and most moderate candidate, and it will be his 78th birthday by the time the 2020 election comes around. Other than him, the other contenders are all rabid leftists with no mainstream appeal outside of their existing base (think Kamala Harris, Keith Ellerson, Elizabeth Warren). I think the only thing that gets a Democrat elected in 2020 is if Republicans stay home and don't vote, which is a possibility.

Oprah won't run. A presidential campaign will take her out of her scripted comfort zone and make her take positions on issues that will make her extremely unpopular with large segments of the country. She has too much to lose and nothing but ego to gain.
Why call Leftists Rabid. The Rabid right have elected don"kkk" trump as POTUS. Nothing more rabid then a pussy grabber. ( :? or a father who would so do his daughter??). Do you think there is a politician more Rabid then Donald? Berlusconi and his viagra fueled parties maybe...

Liz Warren does however have mainstream appeal. She has had endorsements from quite a few Republicans because of her sensible pursuit against wall street interests. She is marginally moderate on social issues but AWESOME on economic issues. One of the few people who get why conmen are ruining the economy and how families are hurting bad.

I agree that Oprah probably won't run. She would if the donald showed a massive lead. She might go for a Senate seat perhaps. Somewhere marginally Republican that she can swing across.
Thanks for your comments about Trump ... had no idea you didn't like him? :brick:

Your comment about Elizabeth Warren is on the same shelf of delusion as your 'Hillary is a moral person' comment. Elizabeth Warren claimed she is an American Indian (because she has high cheek bones, and once entered a Native American cooking contest) in order to score a high paying job at Harvard Law School, taking advantage of their equal opportunity charter.

Elizabeth Warren is whiter than Shane Warne.

She is a source of mocking and ridicule, so there is literally 0.00% chance of her being nominated as the Democrat Candidate. But i'm sure the GOP is praying that she does become the Candidate.

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Post by Spud Murphy » Wed 10 Jan, 2018 5:38 pm

Abraham wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 5:02 pm
colmcd wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 4:43 pm
Abraham wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 8:37 am
Munk wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 8:24 am
Only because people were tired of politicians and once he became nominated, he ran against one of the most corrupt and scandalous persons to ever hold public office. She was easy to take down. It was a protest vote and a clear message to Washington from the general public. It seems the Democrats just dont get it. Lightning wont strike twice so copying the Republican strategy wont work. They must run someone with impecable political acumen to retake power not another celebrity who is sure to run on a racist and feminism ticket. The public are sick of being spoken down to and Winfrey will lose worse than Clinton.
The Dem's problem is they really have no-one else to run with at the moment.

Joe Biden looks like their best and most moderate candidate, and it will be his 78th birthday by the time the 2020 election comes around. Other than him, the other contenders are all rabid leftists with no mainstream appeal outside of their existing base (think Kamala Harris, Keith Ellerson, Elizabeth Warren). I think the only thing that gets a Democrat elected in 2020 is if Republicans stay home and don't vote, which is a possibility.

Oprah won't run. A presidential campaign will take her out of her scripted comfort zone and make her take positions on issues that will make her extremely unpopular with large segments of the country. She has too much to lose and nothing but ego to gain.
Why call Leftists Rabid. The Rabid right have elected don"kkk" trump as POTUS. Nothing more rabid then a pussy grabber. ( :? or a father who would so do his daughter??). Do you think there is a politician more Rabid then Donald? Berlusconi and his viagra fueled parties maybe...

Liz Warren does however have mainstream appeal. She has had endorsements from quite a few Republicans because of her sensible pursuit against wall street interests. She is marginally moderate on social issues but AWESOME on economic issues. One of the few people who get why conmen are ruining the economy and how families are hurting bad.

I agree that Oprah probably won't run. She would if the donald showed a massive lead. She might go for a Senate seat perhaps. Somewhere marginally Republican that she can swing across.
Thanks for your comments about Trump ... had no idea you didn't like him? :brick:

Your comment about Elizabeth Warren is on the same shelf of delusion as your 'Hillary is a moral person' comment. Elizabeth Warren claimed she is an American Indian (because she has high cheek bones, and once entered a Native American cooking contest) in order to score a high paying job at Harvard Law School, taking advantage of their equal opportunity charter.

Elizabeth Warren is whiter than Shane Warne.

She is a source of mocking and ridicule, so there is literally 0.00% chance of her being nominated as the Democrat Candidate. But i'm sure the GOP is praying that she does become the Candidate.

Abe, you seem to have a problem with the idea of a woman being in a leadership role. Anyone can challenge Donald, as long as they are male. Surprise, surprise!

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Wed 10 Jan, 2018 6:00 pm

Munk wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 8:24 am
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Tue 09 Jan, 2018 7:32 pm
Munk wrote:
Tue 09 Jan, 2018 2:33 pm
Great to hear the Democrats have tapped Oprah Winfrey on the shoulder for next election. Trump better get comfortable, the opposition have stopped trying.
Well it worked for the Republicans to be fair...
Only because people were tired of politicians and once he became nominated, he ran against one of the most corrupt and scandalous persons to ever hold public office. She was easy to take down. It was a protest vote and a clear message to Washington from the general public. It seems the Democrats just dont get it. Lightning wont strike twice so copying the Republican strategy wont work. They must run someone with impecable political acumen to retake power not another celebrity who is sure to run on a racist and feminism ticket. The public are sick of being spoken down to and Winfrey will lose worse than Clinton.
I know why he got in, it was arguably the biggest protest vote in history and a total rebellion against the establishment.

Clinton was that convinced she'd win off the back of whom was running against her that she didn't bother with campaigning in the areas that Trump targeted (the rust belt,) so much so that she didn't heed her own husbands urgings to make a strong presence known there.

It would have been a far more interesting campaign if Sanders ran against Trump. Two blokes who were nothing of what the voters were so accustomed to.
Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest!

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Wed 10 Jan, 2018 6:06 pm

Rabid leftist is not a compatible term in the US. The Democrats sit farther to the right than the Libs.
Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest!

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Post by magpiecol » Wed 10 Jan, 2018 7:04 pm

colmcd wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 4:43 pm
Abraham wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 8:37 am
Munk wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 8:24 am
Only because people were tired of politicians and once he became nominated, he ran against one of the most corrupt and scandalous persons to ever hold public office. She was easy to take down. It was a protest vote and a clear message to Washington from the general public. It seems the Democrats just dont get it. Lightning wont strike twice so copying the Republican strategy wont work. They must run someone with impecable political acumen to retake power not another celebrity who is sure to run on a racist and feminism ticket. The public are sick of being spoken down to and Winfrey will lose worse than Clinton.
The Dem's problem is they really have no-one else to run with at the moment.

Joe Biden looks like their best and most moderate candidate, and it will be his 78th birthday by the time the 2020 election comes around. Other than him, the other contenders are all rabid leftists with no mainstream appeal outside of their existing base (think Kamala Harris, Keith Ellerson, Elizabeth Warren). I think the only thing that gets a Democrat elected in 2020 is if Republicans stay home and don't vote, which is a possibility.

Oprah won't run. A presidential campaign will take her out of her scripted comfort zone and make her take positions on issues that will make her extremely unpopular with large segments of the country. She has too much to lose and nothing but ego to gain.
Why call Leftists Rabid. The Rabid right have elected don"kkk" trump as POTUS. Nothing more rabid then a pussy grabber. ( :? or a father who would so do his daughter??). Do you think there is a politician more Rabid then Donald? Berlusconi and his viagra fueled parties maybe...

Liz Warren does however have mainstream appeal. She has had endorsements from quite a few Republicans because of her sensible pursuit against wall street interests. She is marginally moderate on social issues but AWESOME on economic issues. One of the few people who get why conmen are ruining the economy and how families are hurting bad.

I agree that Oprah probably won't run. She would if the donald showed a massive lead. She might go for a Senate seat perhaps. Somewhere marginally Republican that she can swing across.
Now listen up. You really, really, really need to start taking your medicine again.

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Post by Yossarian » Wed 10 Jan, 2018 7:10 pm

Martin O'Malley should be the Dem nominee

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Post by formerguest » Wed 10 Jan, 2018 8:49 pm

Cultured Bogan wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 6:00 pm
Munk wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 8:24 am
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Tue 09 Jan, 2018 7:32 pm
Munk wrote:
Tue 09 Jan, 2018 2:33 pm
Great to hear the Democrats have tapped Oprah Winfrey on the shoulder for next election. Trump better get comfortable, the opposition have stopped trying.
Well it worked for the Republicans to be fair...
Only because people were tired of politicians and once he became nominated, he ran against one of the most corrupt and scandalous persons to ever hold public office. She was easy to take down. It was a protest vote and a clear message to Washington from the general public. It seems the Democrats just dont get it. Lightning wont strike twice so copying the Republican strategy wont work. They must run someone with impecable political acumen to retake power not another celebrity who is sure to run on a racist and feminism ticket. The public are sick of being spoken down to and Winfrey will lose worse than Clinton.
I know why he got in, it was arguably the biggest protest vote in history and a total rebellion against the establishment.

Clinton was that convinced she'd win off the back of whom was running against her that she didn't bother with campaigning in the areas that Trump targeted (the rust belt,) so much so that she didn't heed her own husbands urgings to make a strong presence known there.

It would have been a far more interesting campaign if Sanders ran against Trump. Two blokes who were nothing of what the voters were so accustomed to.

As he is already getting on in years, it is a real shame that Sanders did not have the opportunity to run. If he had won, he would also have inherited the platform of current economic conditions, which has the nation perfectly placed to commence a social reform program. Instead, there are policy processes in play that will lead to further debt, both government and private, whilst the already marginalised will be even less well off.

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Post by colmcd » Wed 10 Jan, 2018 10:54 pm

Abraham wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 5:02 pm
colmcd wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 4:43 pm
Abraham wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 8:37 am
Munk wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 8:24 am
Only because people were tired of politicians and once he became nominated, he ran against one of the most corrupt and scandalous persons to ever hold public office. She was easy to take down. It was a protest vote and a clear message to Washington from the general public. It seems the Democrats just dont get it. Lightning wont strike twice so copying the Republican strategy wont work. They must run someone with impecable political acumen to retake power not another celebrity who is sure to run on a racist and feminism ticket. The public are sick of being spoken down to and Winfrey will lose worse than Clinton.
The Dem's problem is they really have no-one else to run with at the moment.

Joe Biden looks like their best and most moderate candidate, and it will be his 78th birthday by the time the 2020 election comes around. Other than him, the other contenders are all rabid leftists with no mainstream appeal outside of their existing base (think Kamala Harris, Keith Ellerson, Elizabeth Warren). I think the only thing that gets a Democrat elected in 2020 is if Republicans stay home and don't vote, which is a possibility.

Oprah won't run. A presidential campaign will take her out of her scripted comfort zone and make her take positions on issues that will make her extremely unpopular with large segments of the country. She has too much to lose and nothing but ego to gain.
Why call Leftists Rabid. The Rabid right have elected don"kkk" trump as POTUS. Nothing more rabid then a pussy grabber. ( :? or a father who would so do his daughter??). Do you think there is a politician more Rabid then Donald? Berlusconi and his viagra fueled parties maybe...

Liz Warren does however have mainstream appeal. She has had endorsements from quite a few Republicans because of her sensible pursuit against wall street interests. She is marginally moderate on social issues but AWESOME on economic issues. One of the few people who get why conmen are ruining the economy and how families are hurting bad.

I agree that Oprah probably won't run. She would if the donald showed a massive lead. She might go for a Senate seat perhaps. Somewhere marginally Republican that she can swing across.
Thanks for your comments about Trump ... had no idea you didn't like him? :brick:

Your comment about Elizabeth Warren is on the same shelf of delusion as your 'Hillary is a moral person' comment. Elizabeth Warren claimed she is an American Indian (because she has high cheek bones, and once entered a Native American cooking contest) in order to score a high paying job at Harvard Law School, taking advantage of their equal opportunity charter.

Elizabeth Warren is whiter than Shane Warne.

She is a source of mocking and ridicule, so there is literally 0.00% chance of her being nominated as the Democrat Candidate. But i'm sure the GOP is praying that she does become the Candidate.
I reckon Warren has a great chance at being the Democrat candidate, she will probably get Bernie's endorsement and move in from the left.

You see, unlike donald, liar in Chief. Warren actually enacts the laws and campaigns on the issues to clean up the swamp.
http://fortune.com/2016/09/16/elizabeth ... anks-jail/
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/501/credit-traps.html

What you don't get is, if you are PRO FAMILY. You should care too:
"I think this is a real danger area ... We have about 50 million American families who can't pay off their credit cards."

Cards, that can have a variable interest rate. So that when payments are missed the rate jumps from 20% to a much higher rate. This means that food isn't on the table for those families.

That's why we want the swamp drained. That's why I LOVE banking regulation in Australia, it keeps us out of Nasty US Debt.
But who does trump appoint, SWAMP:
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/u ... ncna816621

Because trump is Pro swamp, he is pressuring Americans and particularly family units.

No one cares if Warren has an Indian Great Grandmother. NO ONE. People care if they can't feed their kids.
Warren will help put bread on the table for those families struggling.

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Post by colmcd » Wed 10 Jan, 2018 11:07 pm

Cultured Bogan wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 6:06 pm
Rabid leftist is not a compatible term in the US. The Democrats sit farther to the right than the Libs.
Agreed.

If you look at Bernie Sanders, you see a fairly reasonable old man use logic to argue against his opponents.
ted cruz was both Rabid and awful in his language and demeanor. If NRL was in America he would be a Roosters supporter, switching to the Storm when they are loosing.
mr trump is just a walking swear jar. Totally Rabid and out of control.

Either Hillary or Sanders would be doing a very good job now, light years ahead of drumpht. It's a shame the US voters wanted to shoot themselves in the foot.

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Post by jadtiger » Thu 11 Jan, 2018 7:01 am

colmcd wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 11:07 pm
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 6:06 pm
Rabid leftist is not a compatible term in the US. The Democrats sit farther to the right than the Libs.
Agreed.

If you look at Bernie Sanders, you see a fairly reasonable old man use logic to argue against his opponents.
ted cruz was both Rabid and awful in his language and demeanor. If NRL was in America he would be a Roosters supporter, switching to the Storm when they are loosing.
mr trump is just a walking swear jar. Totally Rabid and out of control.

Either Hillary or Sanders would be doing a very good job now, light years ahead of drumpht. It's a shame the US voters wanted to shoot themselves in the foot.
Its not the US voters i am worried about its the rest of the world having to be on the same planet as a self proclaimed "Stable Genius".Hopefully he is not their for long

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Post by Abraham » Thu 11 Jan, 2018 8:06 am

Spud Murphy wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 5:38 pm

Abe, you seem to have a problem with the idea of a woman being in a leadership role. Anyone can challenge Donald, as long as they are male. Surprise, surprise!
No, i seem to have a problem with idiot left wingers.

Are you one of them?

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Post by Abraham » Thu 11 Jan, 2018 8:46 am

Cultured Bogan wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 6:06 pm
Rabid leftist is not a compatible term in the US. The Democrats sit farther to the right than the Libs.
I think your about 20 years behind the times CB.

The Democrats circa 2018 have moved so far to the left that they are comparable to the Australian Greens in many respects. From gun control to late-term abortion to socialism to immigration and race policies to this whole LGBT/Gender fluidity nonsense, they have become extreme leftists in their official platforms on alot of issues.

They are the party the booed God at the 2012 national convention, remember.

During the 1990's there was alot of overlap between the parties, with neither being at the extreme end of the respective left/right spectrum. The Republicans basically plateaued in their move to the right in about 2012 (off memory), when the Tea Party was at the height of their powers, and have since slowed that move. Prior to that they had actually moved more to the left somewhat. However over this same time the Democrats have moved further and further to the Left, with a huge jump left over the past 18 months.

Pew Research has some pretty in depth data if you can dig it up.

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Post by Abraham » Thu 11 Jan, 2018 8:55 am

colmcd wrote:
Wed 10 Jan, 2018 10:54 pm
I reckon Warren has a great chance at being the Democrat candidate, she will probably get Bernie's endorsement and move in from the left.

You see, unlike donald, liar in Chief. Warren actually enacts the laws and campaigns on the issues to clean up the swamp.
http://fortune.com/2016/09/16/elizabeth ... anks-jail/
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/501/credit-traps.html

What you don't get is, if you are PRO FAMILY. You should care too:
"I think this is a real danger area ... We have about 50 million American families who can't pay off their credit cards."

Cards, that can have a variable interest rate. So that when payments are missed the rate jumps from 20% to a much higher rate. This means that food isn't on the table for those families.

That's why we want the swamp drained. That's why I LOVE banking regulation in Australia, it keeps us out of Nasty US Debt.
But who does trump appoint, SWAMP:
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/u ... ncna816621

Because trump is Pro swamp, he is pressuring Americans and particularly family units.

No one cares if Warren has an Indian Great Grandmother. NO ONE. People care if they can't feed their kids.
Warren will help put bread on the table for those families struggling.
You live in an alternative universe where Hillary Clinton is a very moral person, Elizabeth Warren is not totally bonkers, and now Bernie Sanders is reasonable and moderate.

I suppose next you will tell me that Harvey Weinstein should head up the US Women's Bureau.

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