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Re: Hit on Groat

Post by Yossarian » Fri 06 Apr, 2012 11:39 pm

LaT wrote:
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Yossarian wrote:Don't see how it was Groat's fault. He ran about 2 metres before Teo launched himself. Intent isn't the issue (you'd hope) but the bottom line is Teo made direct contact with Groat's head with his shoulder. He wasn't wrong-footed, it didn't slip up, he hit him flush on the jaw. Personally it was a send off for mine. If that was his wrist it would have been a send off, why should the shoulder be different?
Nobody said it was Groats fault.
Sorry let me rephrase. I don't see how Groat "contributed" to the tackle...
Ever wonder why Martin Lang copped so many head highs?

The way a player runs, his style or movement towards the defender can contribute.

Judiciary takes this into account all the time.

Nobody is saying Groat is 50% responsible though, but its a factor.
Martin Lang got tackles at head level at the defence line. Groat had barely got the ball or had time to react to anything - Teo just blindsided him. I really don't see the parallel myself.

If the judiciary consider it a mitigating factor, they're fools (IMO).


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Post by innsaneink » Fri 06 Apr, 2012 11:40 pm

Centaur wrote:JWH fell into Dwyers tackle. Groat was running standing tall.

Copped it square on the chin. Extremely dangerous hit.


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Ah I think JWH was running too mate....actually he dropped his hip...not much difference if any at all....excepth the jesrseys worn of course

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Post by Hit or Miss » Fri 06 Apr, 2012 11:42 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Centaur wrote:JWH fell into Dwyers tackle. Groat was running standing tall.

Copped it square on the chin. Extremely dangerous hit.


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Ah I think JWH was running too mate....not much difference if any at all....excepth the jesrseys worn of course
That tackle was the same as Teo's. As I mentioned before but can't find evidence I am certain it was a legal tackle in 2010. Personally I think both tackles are illegal.


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Post by Cultured Bogan » Fri 06 Apr, 2012 11:44 pm

I'm wondering how bad will it get before someone does cop a 10 minute stint... Looks like you could decapitate someone and get away get away with a penalty.
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Post by tsjonathan » Fri 06 Apr, 2012 11:47 pm

I thought the hit was ok...


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Post by Marshall_magic » Fri 06 Apr, 2012 11:49 pm

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biggest tigers fan wrote:I think if someone goes on report and its deemed bad enough,i reckon they should be off for 20 minutes or in this case teo goes off with groat and sits out as long as he does.
I don't agree with that. What's stopping a team with a player that's A-Ok after a hit like that leaving the player off the field to keep a better opposition player off the field.

I do think a 5 minute sin binning for reportable offences is a fair outcome.
Maybe the good player will stop clocking people in the head! These things are pretty closely watched on replay so it isn't easy to fake it. Besides if you smack someone in the melon you really can't complain too much...
you can't make the penalty for the offending player depend on the injury dealt out in my opinion.

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Post by LaT » Fri 06 Apr, 2012 11:49 pm

Yossarian wrote:
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Yossarian wrote:Don't see how it was Groat's fault. He ran about 2 metres before Teo launched himself. Intent isn't the issue (you'd hope) but the bottom line is Teo made direct contact with Groat's head with his shoulder. He wasn't wrong-footed, it didn't slip up, he hit him flush on the jaw. Personally it was a send off for mine. If that was his wrist it would have been a send off, why should the shoulder be different?
Sorry let me rephrase. I don't see how Groat "contributed" to the tackle...
Ever wonder why Martin Lang copped so many head highs?

The way a player runs, his style or movement towards the defender can contribute.

Judiciary takes this into account all the time.

Nobody is saying Groat is 50% responsible though, but its a factor.
Martin Lang got tackles at head level at the defence line. Groat had barely got the ball or had time to react to anything - Teo just blindsided him. I really don't see the parallel myself.

If the judiciary consider it a mitigating factor, they're fools (IMO).
I didn't see Teo blindside anyone.
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Post by Demonborger » Fri 06 Apr, 2012 11:51 pm

League must come down on unnecessary and illegal contact with the head, whether deliberate or incompetent for the benefit of the players, and not just in the initial tackle but the entire tackle (no more grapples or face jobs etc)

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Post by Tigerdave » Sat 07 Apr, 2012 7:13 am

So, we've had this, Moltzen copped an elbow last week, and we had 2 swinging arms in the Dragons game against Beau and Benji and so far nothing much has been done except 2 penalties and players on report..... so much for the NRL being concerned about players safety........

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Post by 1/4 chicken,chips » Sat 07 Apr, 2012 7:22 am

well said Tigerdave.
ban the shoulder charge full stop .
They are an ugly part of the game

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Post by Tigerdave » Sat 07 Apr, 2012 7:27 am

I'm pretty steamed about this, sure we haven't set the world on fire, but blatant crap like this sure doesn't help our cause. We've certainly had the pointy end of the stick in regards to injuries and season/career or near career endings on top of that, we don't need our guys to be concussed due to illegal play and not have anything happen to the perpetrator.

Not that Groat has been in good form, but that just caused more workload for the remaining guys, meanwhile the Bronco's got to play at full strength, it's bull....

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Post by westTAHger » Sat 07 Apr, 2012 7:49 am

for Matt Groat's safety,long term well being, do the players involved in this have CAT scans done after this sort of impact.

don't forget a CAT scan saved Adam Ritson's life.
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Post by Tiger Watto » Sat 07 Apr, 2012 7:59 am

LaT wrote:Deserved a penalty and on report, but Groat contributed with his Martin Lang style run.

Never worth a send off or sinbin.
Agreed... RL is a contact sport played at a high intensity.

In saying that, it was a horrible hit and I hope Matt Groat recovers quickly.

Judging by the history this year, he will have to get 2 weeks?
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Post by 1/4 chicken,chips » Sat 07 Apr, 2012 8:03 am

It is a contact sport , but the shoulder charge is banned in junior rugby league so how does a player learn how to use it properly when he makes it to the senior ranks.
They look spectacular when they come off done right , but too many go wrong .Two weeks off ,but its not to our advantage whatever Teo gets

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Post by seadoggy » Sat 07 Apr, 2012 8:51 am

monkey wrote:Teo gutless dog has always gave it to us since we got rid of him why didn't someone clock him hate him nearly as much as hodges

the only player who tried a bit of payback was robbie farah, the smallest guy in our pack, speaks volumes for our pack .....

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Post by Citizen Tiger » Sat 07 Apr, 2012 9:52 am

The shoulder charge requires no technique, other than a basic sense of timing. The NRL wont ban it however, because its integral to their season launch video and it gives the fans a viagra free stiffy

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Post by Tiger Watto » Sat 07 Apr, 2012 10:00 am

thats gold!
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