Here's Your Chance Campbelltown

ImageImageImage
cochise
Member
Member
Posts: 640
Joined: Sun 12 Feb, 2012 10:42 pm

Re: Here's Your Chance Campbelltown

Post by cochise » Mon 28 May, 2012 8:00 pm

Anyone who thinks that ticket prices of $30 for GA is the way to get people to the football is kidding themselves. Its fine for me as I have a good paying job, I wouldnt have a problem spending $30 to go to a game of footy. I talked my Father in to going to the game yesterday, but it will probably be his last game as he is retired and $30x2 is just too much for a game of football that he can watch at home for free.

The comparison to a movie is not really a valid comparison as I can not sit at home and watch that movie unless I wait a couple of months.

$30 is too much for a game of footbal to attract some people.


watersider
Member
Member
Posts: 119
Joined: Fri 16 Oct, 2009 9:35 am

Post by watersider » Mon 28 May, 2012 8:40 pm

Cultured Bogan wrote: FFS, we can't have it both ways... If you want more games played at CSS and LO, you'll have to pay a premium. Like many others have said, $30 to watch 160 mins of Rugby League over four hours is better than paying $20 to watch the latest 80 minute Hollywood offering which these days seems to be a remake, a comic book adaptation or a banal piece of crap.
$30 is too much. I don't buy your movie ticket comparison. I think that movie tickets cost too much as well. I don't think you can say, 'they inflate their prices so we should do the same'.

What is the point of a club if the supporters of that club don't even feel like they can afford to come to games? The club gouges its supporters with new jerseys every 3 months, steep ticket prices, ridiculously expensive soggy pies, average big screens and sponsors promotions that they pass as halftime 'entertainment'. And we cop it because we love the club, but it isn't a good deal and the fans deserve better.

The club justifies its prices because it is a 'premium product', but it isn't worth it if the stadium is half full. The ticket pricing is also a poor financial decision because it ignores the long term consequences of inflated prices. If prices are too high then you cut out a generation of fans, and that generation doesn't bring their kids to the game and none of them then buy jerseys and merchandise. So, it is short term thinking which has got the club in the position to get a crowd of only 13k despite everything being in place for a cracker game. Does anyone dispute the fact that the price of a ticket prevented some (and probably many) from coming to the game? And what happens when we don't have benji Marshall anymore? Rugby League is digging itself a massive hole by treating its fans so poorly.

Wests tigers should cut the price of GA tickets and they should offer free or dirt cheap tickets to u/16 kids and they should do something to make food a viable option at matches. When they start getting too many people coming to games then it is fair enough to start thinking about raising the price of a ticket. But, the prices they are charging are prohibitive and this is working against the interests of rugby league. A rugby league club is a business, but its business is based on building its fan base and winning premierships. We are not Warner Bros and we are not even Souths (who are privately owned), so why should the club treat the fans so poorly?

I think all this crap about community outreach and improving marketing is peripheral to the key issue. Drop the prices and watch the crowds improve, it is a simple formula.

User avatar
innsaneink
Member
Member
Posts: 29714
Joined: Fri 10 Jul, 2009 9:49 pm
Location: ...ahead of you....

Post by innsaneink » Mon 28 May, 2012 9:12 pm

I dont see the biggie every game this round the crowds were down for whatever reason
Higher power bills?
Tax time coming up?
Its not just us.

Knuckles
Member
Member
Posts: 2811
Joined: Wed 15 Jul, 2009 10:11 am

Post by Knuckles » Mon 28 May, 2012 9:44 pm

innsaneink wrote:I dont see the biggie every game this round the crowds were down for whatever reason
Higher power bills?
Tax time coming up?
Its not just us.
Blame it on the carbon tax !

User avatar
hybrid_tiger
Member
Member
Posts: 4564
Joined: Sat 11 Jul, 2009 10:49 am
Location: Latchem Robinson Stand

Post by hybrid_tiger » Mon 28 May, 2012 10:54 pm

How much do you people think the tickets should be?

They have to make money, FFS.


User avatar
Bismark
Member
Member
Posts: 606
Joined: Sun 19 Jul, 2009 6:12 pm

Post by Bismark » Mon 28 May, 2012 11:59 pm

hybrid_tiger wrote:How much do you people think the tickets should be?

They have to make money, FFS.

If the price was a factor in people not turning up, then you'd have to argue that setting the price high is a poor way of generating cash.

Knuckles
Member
Member
Posts: 2811
Joined: Wed 15 Jul, 2009 10:11 am

Post by Knuckles » Tue 29 May, 2012 6:45 am

There are lots of initiatives the club could introduce. Free entry for kids under 16 would be a start .... Particularly against out of town clubs.

User avatar
Cultured Bogan
Member
Member
Posts: 18360
Joined: Tue 15 Sep, 2009 11:20 pm
Location: Blue Mountains

Post by Cultured Bogan » Tue 29 May, 2012 8:03 am

watersider wrote:
Cultured Bogan wrote: FFS, we can't have it both ways... If you want more games played at CSS and LO, you'll have to pay a premium. Like many others have said, $30 to watch 160 mins of Rugby League over four hours is better than paying $20 to watch the latest 80 minute Hollywood offering which these days seems to be a remake, a comic book adaptation or a banal piece of crap.
$30 is too much. I don't buy your movie ticket comparison. I think that movie tickets cost too much as well. I don't think you can say, 'they inflate their prices so we should do the same'.

What is the point of a club if the supporters of that club don't even feel like they can afford to come to games? The club gouges its supporters with new jerseys every 3 months, steep ticket prices, ridiculously expensive soggy pies, average big screens and sponsors promotions that they pass as halftime 'entertainment'. And we cop it because we love the club, but it isn't a good deal and the fans deserve better.

The club justifies its prices because it is a 'premium product', but it isn't worth it if the stadium is half full. The ticket pricing is also a poor financial decision because it ignores the long term consequences of inflated prices. If prices are too high then you cut out a generation of fans, and that generation doesn't bring their kids to the game and none of them then buy jerseys and merchandise. So, it is short term thinking which has got the club in the position to get a crowd of only 13k despite everything being in place for a cracker game. Does anyone dispute the fact that the price of a ticket prevented some (and probably many) from coming to the game? And what happens when we don't have benji Marshall anymore? Rugby League is digging itself a massive hole by treating its fans so poorly.

Wests tigers should cut the price of GA tickets and they should offer free or dirt cheap tickets to u/16 kids and they should do something to make food a viable option at matches. When they start getting too many people coming to games then it is fair enough to start thinking about raising the price of a ticket. But, the prices they are charging are prohibitive and this is working against the interests of rugby league. A rugby league club is a business, but its business is based on building its fan base and winning premierships. We are not Warner Bros and we are not even Souths (who are privately owned), so why should the club treat the fans so poorly?

I think all this crap about community outreach and improving marketing is peripheral to the key issue. Drop the prices and watch the crowds improve, it is a simple formula.
That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. You make some valid points but I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. My reference to the movie ticket pricing wasn't that WT are given carte blanche to rip the fans off because movie tickets are expensive but moreso "look what Hoyts offers you for $20, and look what LO/CSS offers you for $30."

Drop the prices by all means, if it's financially viable. If it's not, then we will have to look at moving to a larger stadium full time in order to drop prices. I don't expect WT to run at a loss.
"This club means a lot to me and I really love this club, I love playing here, I love playing with all of the boys, it's what I've known for pretty much all of my life and I'm happy to be here." - Luke Brooks.

Cuando llegue el día, y estoy parado a las puertas del cielo, será Dios pidiendo mi perdón...

User avatar
AndTheKungFoSing
Admin with a flute?
Admin with a flute?
Posts: 2486
Joined: Sat 11 Jul, 2009 8:28 am
Location: Behind You!
Contact:

Post by AndTheKungFoSing » Tue 29 May, 2012 8:15 am

innsaneink wrote:I dont see the biggie every game this round the crowds were down for whatever reason
Higher power bills?
Tax time coming up?
Its not just us.
Read an interesting article about origin having a detrimental affect in this area on the club games throughout this period... Not sure where I read it, think the SMH.

I agree, Origin should be played end of season.
I hate South Sydney.... immensely

User avatar
2041
Member
Member
Posts: 1135
Joined: Fri 14 Jan, 2011 12:32 pm

Post by 2041 » Tue 29 May, 2012 8:31 am

Goose wrote:
2041 wrote:
GNR4LIFE wrote:You are right about the movie prices 2041. I went with the girlfriend a few weeks back and for two tickets, popcorn and 2 drinks, it was 70 bucks :crazy

Anyway i think of it like this. Lets say we were playing the Sharks yesterday, it would have been gaurenteed 18K. Why you ask? because the Sharks actually have a fan base in Sydney, so naturally a good number are going to turn up. When theres 20 thousand at a game, do you honestly believe they all supporters of one team? opposition supporters make a strong contribution to crowd figures. Thats something thats being conveniently overlooked imo
True, though if the comparison is Campbelltown v Leichhardt it has to be said that the same applies to both. You can pretty much guarantee that any season's Leichhardt games will include at least two or three of the non-Broncos out of town sides. If we're playing anyone who will really bring a crowd it'll be at the SFS.

Incidentally, can I throw in Souths here as the classic example of the fallacy of playing all games at the big grounds? When we play them at home the poor tramps are so starved of local football that isn't played at a soulless bowl in the middle of nowhere that they turn up in droves. Yet their home games frequently attract pathetic crowds (well below their alleged membership figures *ahem*). Possibly because no-one in their right mind - or even a Souths fan attracted by the prospect of a roof over their head for a couple of hours - wants to go to Homebush all the time?
Agree, if we played all our games at any of the grounds, the average crowds would be lower, currently it is a treat at each of the 3 grounds, so we are more inclined to turn up at each of them.
if we played every game at Leichhardt, which currently sells out or near enough, pretty much every time, the novelty would wear off and we would all be complaining about the poor facilities and playing in front of crowds of less than 10k. But for 4 games a year I love it, even my non football loving wife loves to get to Leichhardt at least once a year.
If we played the cowboys at SFS on the weekend it would have been in front of well less than 10K.
Agreed (though my wife refuses to go back to Leichhardt after her one and only trip - a defeat to Penrith on a cold, wet Friday night - even though all she has to do is walk across Balmain Road. The idea that playing all the games at the SFS or that dump at Homebush would somehow increase crowds is ludicrous.

User avatar
2041
Member
Member
Posts: 1135
Joined: Fri 14 Jan, 2011 12:32 pm

Post by 2041 » Tue 29 May, 2012 8:43 am

watersider wrote:
Cultured Bogan wrote: FFS, we can't have it both ways... If you want more games played at CSS and LO, you'll have to pay a premium. Like many others have said, $30 to watch 160 mins of Rugby League over four hours is better than paying $20 to watch the latest 80 minute Hollywood offering which these days seems to be a remake, a comic book adaptation or a banal piece of crap.
$30 is too much. I don't buy your movie ticket comparison. I think that movie tickets cost too much as well. I don't think you can say, 'they inflate their prices so we should do the same'.

What is the point of a club if the supporters of that club don't even feel like they can afford to come to games? The club gouges its supporters with new jerseys every 3 months, steep ticket prices, ridiculously expensive soggy pies, average big screens and sponsors promotions that they pass as halftime 'entertainment'. And we cop it because we love the club, but it isn't a good deal and the fans deserve better.

The club justifies its prices because it is a 'premium product', but it isn't worth it if the stadium is half full. The ticket pricing is also a poor financial decision because it ignores the long term consequences of inflated prices. If prices are too high then you cut out a generation of fans, and that generation doesn't bring their kids to the game and none of them then buy jerseys and merchandise. So, it is short term thinking which has got the club in the position to get a crowd of only 13k despite everything being in place for a cracker game. Does anyone dispute the fact that the price of a ticket prevented some (and probably many) from coming to the game? And what happens when we don't have benji Marshall anymore? Rugby League is digging itself a massive hole by treating its fans so poorly.

Wests tigers should cut the price of GA tickets and they should offer free or dirt cheap tickets to u/16 kids and they should do something to make food a viable option at matches. When they start getting too many people coming to games then it is fair enough to start thinking about raising the price of a ticket. But, the prices they are charging are prohibitive and this is working against the interests of rugby league. A rugby league club is a business, but its business is based on building its fan base and winning premierships. We are not Warner Bros and we are not even Souths (who are privately owned), so why should the club treat the fans so poorly?

I think all this crap about community outreach and improving marketing is peripheral to the key issue. Drop the prices and watch the crowds improve, it is a simple formula.
Look, I'm sorry, but if $30 is more than the Tigers are worth to you then I don't need you as a fan. You're not going to be there when they're crap again, you're not going to show up when it's cold or raining or the oppo are too bad or too good. $30, with all respect to people who are really struggling, is not that much money.

On the other points:
New jerseys: don't buy them if you don't want them. I've got one Tigers jersey and I'm not short of cash. I don't like the ones they've used for the past season and a half, so I haven't bought one. Am I 'less of a fan' because of that? No.
Ridiculously expensive soggy pies: take a sandwich for goodness sake. Or eat before the game. Can't you go 90 minutes without eating? Sunday was a 3pm kick off - what meal time did that cover?
Average big screens: cry me a river. If I wanted to watch the game on TV I'd stay at home.
Sponsors promotions that they pass as halftime 'entertainment': sorry, I care about this why? What do you expect for your $30? The best rugby league players in the world plus 12 minutes of U2 during oranges? I generally spend half time whingeing to my mates about how crap we've been first dig anyway, I don't care what's going on on the pitch.

Alf Duguid
Member
Member
Posts: 1009
Joined: Fri 14 May, 2010 10:07 am

Post by Alf Duguid » Tue 29 May, 2012 9:10 am

Sorry 2041 but I don't think it is your right to judge who is or isnt a fan. Poor form

Certainly the point made yesterday by Brad Walter in the Herald is a valid one in relation to Origin.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 1zeav.html

Gary Bakerloo
Member
Member
Posts: 2463
Joined: Tue 14 Jul, 2009 7:22 pm

Post by Gary Bakerloo » Tue 29 May, 2012 9:36 am

Alf Duguid wrote:Certainly the point made yesterday by Brad Walter in the Herald is a valid one in relation to Origin.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 1zeav.html
I think that article just about puts the nail in the coffin of this thread. We can't deny our club can be susceptible to general factors impacting the entire NRL and it looks like this has occurred over the weekend. From my own experience, I will always watch the live Friday night game, but I didn't watch it on Friday. Not sure why, it may have been because it looked an ordinary game especially in relation to Wednesday night, but I just could not be bothered on Friday evening.

The crowd was low by Wests Tigers standards, but we still had the biggest crowd of all the Sydney games against a team with no away fans. It actually reinforces the claims of Campbelltown to retain an NRL presence and in answering the ludicrous title of the thread, Campbelltown has taken its "chance".

User avatar
2041
Member
Member
Posts: 1135
Joined: Fri 14 Jan, 2011 12:32 pm

Post by 2041 » Tue 29 May, 2012 10:27 am

Alf Duguid wrote:Sorry 2041 but I don't think it is your right to judge who is or isnt a fan. Poor form

Certainly the point made yesterday by Brad Walter in the Herald is a valid one in relation to Origin.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 1zeav.html
I'm not judging who is or isn't a fan. If you think you're a fan watching on TV and complaining about it costing $30 to get in to the game, more power to you (and, again, I make exception for people who are really doing it tough - in my socialist paradise that wouldn't happen). My point is that you don't build a loyal fan base that will support the club through thick and thin by discounting the hell out of everything for the benefit of punters who claim they don't turn up because the queue for chips is a bit long.

Ed Reschs
Member
Member
Posts: 436
Joined: Mon 13 Jul, 2009 11:48 am

Post by Ed Reschs » Tue 29 May, 2012 12:39 pm

Maybe $30 entry and free beer would work. It worked at Micki's and Macarthur Royal back in the 90's $30 all you could drink, and the joint was packed.

User avatar
black and white tiger
Member
Member
Posts: 568
Joined: Sun 11 Sep, 2011 10:39 am
Location: Bays 11_13_20

Post by black and white tiger » Tue 29 May, 2012 12:59 pm

Ed Reschs wrote:Maybe $30 entry and free beer would work. It worked at Micki's and Macarthur Royal back in the 90's $30 all you could drink, and the joint was packed.
I'm starting to see a bit of a pattern forming here Ed,
$30 entry and a free beer....
Waiting for the supporters bus at the bar of the Old Balmain Leagues Club.

Might be time for a name change buddy.

See you there at 10...... :P

User avatar
Cultured Bogan
Member
Member
Posts: 18360
Joined: Tue 15 Sep, 2009 11:20 pm
Location: Blue Mountains

Post by Cultured Bogan » Tue 29 May, 2012 1:34 pm

black and white tiger wrote:
Ed Reschs wrote:Maybe $30 entry and free beer would work. It worked at Micki's and Macarthur Royal back in the 90's $30 all you could drink, and the joint was packed.
I'm starting to see a bit of a pattern forming here Ed,
$30 entry and a free beer....
Waiting for the supporters bus at the bar of the Old Balmain Leagues Club.

Might be time for a name change buddy.

See you there at 10...... :P
A name change? His surname seems very appropriate :)
"This club means a lot to me and I really love this club, I love playing here, I love playing with all of the boys, it's what I've known for pretty much all of my life and I'm happy to be here." - Luke Brooks.

Cuando llegue el día, y estoy parado a las puertas del cielo, será Dios pidiendo mi perdón...

cochise
Member
Member
Posts: 640
Joined: Sun 12 Feb, 2012 10:42 pm

Post by cochise » Tue 29 May, 2012 6:03 pm

2041 wrote:
watersider wrote:
Cultured Bogan wrote: FFS, we can't have it both ways... If you want more games played at CSS and LO, you'll have to pay a premium. Like many others have said, $30 to watch 160 mins of Rugby League over four hours is better than paying $20 to watch the latest 80 minute Hollywood offering which these days seems to be a remake, a comic book adaptation or a banal piece of crap.
$30 is too much. I don't buy your movie ticket comparison. I think that movie tickets cost too much as well. I don't think you can say, 'they inflate their prices so we should do the same'.

What is the point of a club if the supporters of that club don't even feel like they can afford to come to games? The club gouges its supporters with new jerseys every 3 months, steep ticket prices, ridiculously expensive soggy pies, average big screens and sponsors promotions that they pass as halftime 'entertainment'. And we cop it because we love the club, but it isn't a good deal and the fans deserve better.

The club justifies its prices because it is a 'premium product', but it isn't worth it if the stadium is half full. The ticket pricing is also a poor financial decision because it ignores the long term consequences of inflated prices. If prices are too high then you cut out a generation of fans, and that generation doesn't bring their kids to the game and none of them then buy jerseys and merchandise. So, it is short term thinking which has got the club in the position to get a crowd of only 13k despite everything being in place for a cracker game. Does anyone dispute the fact that the price of a ticket prevented some (and probably many) from coming to the game? And what happens when we don't have benji Marshall anymore? Rugby League is digging itself a massive hole by treating its fans so poorly.

Wests tigers should cut the price of GA tickets and they should offer free or dirt cheap tickets to u/16 kids and they should do something to make food a viable option at matches. When they start getting too many people coming to games then it is fair enough to start thinking about raising the price of a ticket. But, the prices they are charging are prohibitive and this is working against the interests of rugby league. A rugby league club is a business, but its business is based on building its fan base and winning premierships. We are not Warner Bros and we are not even Souths (who are privately owned), so why should the club treat the fans so poorly?

I think all this crap about community outreach and improving marketing is peripheral to the key issue. Drop the prices and watch the crowds improve, it is a simple formula.
Look, I'm sorry, but if $30 is more than the Tigers are worth to you then I don't need you as a fan. You're not going to be there when they're crap again, you're not going to show up when it's cold or raining or the oppo are too bad or too good. $30, with all respect to people who are really struggling, is not that much money.

On the other points:
New jerseys: don't buy them if you don't want them. I've got one Tigers jersey and I'm not short of cash. I don't like the ones they've used for the past season and a half, so I haven't bought one. Am I 'less of a fan' because of that? No.
Ridiculously expensive soggy pies: take a sandwich for goodness sake. Or eat before the game. Can't you go 90 minutes without eating? Sunday was a 3pm kick off - what meal time did that cover?
Average big screens: cry me a river. If I wanted to watch the game on TV I'd stay at home.
Sponsors promotions that they pass as halftime 'entertainment': sorry, I care about this why? What do you expect for your $30? The best rugby league players in the world plus 12 minutes of U2 during oranges? I generally spend half time whingeing to my mates about how crap we've been first dig anyway, I don't care what's going on on the pitch.

Mate who the hell do you think you are. Accusing people who cannot afford the $30 as not being a real fan. My father has supported this team for more than 60 years, he has evry right to feel that the prices of tickets are too much. I believe you are the type of supporter we can do with out.

The comparisons to movies is not an approppriate comparison. The movie is not on at home for free,

Post Reply