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Post by Granto87 » Wed 24 Feb, 2010 9:16 pm

Brown isnt that bad and he is a specialist fullback, he hasnt named any-one out of position either. :) Is Taumata injured at the moment or does he just not fit our team structure?? Maybe he isnt setting the world on fire at training thought he would of made the team some-where


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Post by Poppa » Wed 24 Feb, 2010 9:21 pm

Don't lose faith tomcat,its only a trial.Wait until round 1 and see who is actually in the side.Go and see this game even if you disagree with Fitzhenry in the side.Have a cold one for me when you get there...........


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Post by tigerstu » Wed 24 Feb, 2010 9:21 pm

I realise most people are pretty happy with Moltzen at half... but this is really only due to Benji not playing. I wouldn't be holding my breath that it is a permanent thing. Although... I do agree, it would be worth it.

As far as Fitzy goes... I'll back him and give him a chance.

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Post by Gobbs » Wed 24 Feb, 2010 9:23 pm

Gone are the days were trials were exactly that, trials. Where a Coach had the opportunity to give up and comer's, fringe and new recruits a go, to push for selection and put pressure on the big boys who themselves believe would be certainties for Round 1. That doesn't seem to be the case or scenario with Wests.

Coach Sheens to me already has his top 17 team picked for Round 1, with perhaps fitness of a few playing a potential part in seeing an perhaps an odd addition or two disturbing his preferred selection.

The likes of Mullaney, Fiftia, Taumata, Davis, Pritchard, Akeripa, Gower for example are players that SHOULD be getting a definite run, to push their claim for a NRL berth come Round 1. Instead, it seems that persistence with a few individuals that are obviously flavour of the month has taken precedence in trials thus far.

Having the trials played in 4 x 20 min quarters presents the perfect opportunity for any Coach to try players in different positions, not to mention the opportunity to try more players and see how they perform, to see if their form may warrant a First Grade start.

Instead, just like last week, we will see Lui play all 80 mins in the halves, with another halves prospect in Arana Taumata miss out on a chance and opportunity to assert his claim for the 'vacant' No. 7 jersey. The options at halfback are probably the best they've been in years. Even more reason to let Lui, Moltzen, Taumata, Lazarus all have a decent crack at snaring the No. 7.

Competition for spots, breeds success within a football team. Players knowing that there is someone, a team mate breathing down there neck keeps the incumbent on his toes, knowing that there is no room for error or complacency. It seems that such a thing as healthy competition within does not exist at Wests, with Coach Sheens knowing the squad he wants.

I for one hope, Coach Sheens does take up a larger squad up the F3, and i hope that players like Brown, Fitzhenry, Daniela, Lui are also playing a lot of NSW Cup in the early rounds of the proper Rugby League Premiership with other prospects mentioned above getting to feature in their place.

I believe Lui will be served well if Wests take the Canterbury mindset and approach and treat him like their promising half Ben Barba. Barba who proved to be an enigma in the NYC tore his opposition apart, however was way out of his depth when it come to handling it with the big boys in First Grade. Last year, Moore played him in the NSW Cup. Not only did he bulk up, he was given the opportunity to prove his worth against men, seasoned players with NRL experience, where his development and progress benefited as a result. Lui is raw talent, he has the potential and capability of being a classy half. No question about it, however, i far from ready, and is not the answer to lead Wests to a finals campaign or premiership in 2010 at where his game is currently at. A stint in Reserves maybe just the trick to transform him from an exciting prospect to a valuable prodigy.

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Post by Colonel » Wed 24 Feb, 2010 9:23 pm

Geo. wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: This place cracks me up.......

Just about EVERYONE wanted Moltzen at 7......Sheens delivers...but puts Fitzy on the wing.....so once again the nails are in the coffin.............

I actually feel a little for Fitzy.....

Cause it's there for All to see....Round 1 6. Benji 7. Moltzen..........2. Tuqiri,,,,,,,,

Fitzy>>>>>>>>>>>>>State Cup........


Anyhow........carry on......... :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:
I haven't read the rest of the posts, but I agree with you here Geo.

This screams of preparation for a week one team of:

1 Mitch Brown
2 Lote Tuquiri
3 Blake Ayshford
4 Chris Lawrence
5 Beau Ryan
6 Benji Marshall
7 Tim Moltzen
8 Bryce Gibbs
9 Robbie Farah ©
10 Keith Galloway
11 Gareth Ellis
12 Liam Fulton
13 Chris Heighington

14 Jason Cayless
15 Junior Moors
16 Willie Mataka
17 Geoff Daniela/Daniel Fitzhenry/Robert Lui

A few weeks into the season I'd then expect to see Tuquiri and Brown swapping spots.

And if Tuqiri isn't on the wing in week 1 then it'll only be a couple of weeks before he is...


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Post by innsaneink » Wed 24 Feb, 2010 9:25 pm

Arana Taumata will be 2010's matty Head...sheensys fall guy

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Post by tigerstu » Wed 24 Feb, 2010 9:34 pm

Gobbs wrote:Gone are the days were trials were exactly that, trials. Where a Coach had the opportunity to give up and comer's, fringe and new recruits a go, to push for selection and put pressure on the big boys who themselves believe would be certainties for Round 1. That doesn't seem to be the case or scenario with Wests.

Coach Sheens to me already has his top 17 team picked for Round 1, with perhaps fitness of a few playing a potential part in seeing an perhaps an odd addition or two disturbing his preferred selection.

The likes of Mullaney, Fiftia, Taumata, Davis, Pritchard, Akeripa, Gower for example are players that SHOULD be getting a definite run, to push their claim for a NRL berth come Round 1. Instead, it seems that persistence with a few individuals that are obviously flavour of the month has taken precedence in trials thus far.

Having the trials played in 4 x 20 min quarters presents the perfect opportunity for any Coach to try players in different positions, not to mention the opportunity to try more players and see how they perform, to see if their form may warrant a First Grade start.

Instead, just like last week, we will see Lui play all 80 mins in the halves, with another halves prospect in Arana Taumata miss out on a chance and opportunity to assert his claim for the 'vacant' No. 7 jersey. The options at halfback are probably the best they've been in years. Even more reason to let Lui, Moltzen, Taumata, Lazarus all have a decent crack at snaring the No. 7.

Competition for spots, breeds success within a football team. Players knowing that there is someone, a team mate breathing down there neck keeps the incumbent on his toes, knowing that there is no room for error or complacency. It seems that such a thing as healthy competition within does not exist at Wests, with Coach Sheens knowing the squad he wants.

I for one hope, Coach Sheens does take up a larger squad up the F3, and i hope that players like Brown, Fitzhenry, Daniela, Lui are also playing a lot of NSW Cup in the early rounds of the proper Rugby League Premiership with other prospects mentioned above getting to feature in their place.

I believe Lui will be served well if Wests take the Canterbury mindset and approach and treat him like their promising half Ben Barba. Barba who proved to be an enigma in the NYC tore his opposition apart, however was way out of his depth when it come to handling it with the big boys in First Grade. Last year, Moore played him in the NSW Cup. Not only did he bulk up, he was given the opportunity to prove his worth against men, seasoned players with NRL experience, where his development and progress benefited as a result. Lui is raw talent, he has the potential and capability of being a classy half. No question about it, however, i far from ready, and is not the answer to lead Wests to a finals campaign or premiership in 2010 at where his game is currently at. A stint in Reserves maybe just the trick to transform him from an exciting prospect to a valuable prodigy.

See ya's at Gosford ;)
Nicely said Gobbs.

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Post by tiger sean » Wed 24 Feb, 2010 10:07 pm

Colonel wrote:
Geo. wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: This place cracks me up.......

Just about EVERYONE wanted Moltzen at 7......Sheens delivers...but puts Fitzy on the wing.....so once again the nails are in the coffin.............

I actually feel a little for Fitzy.....

Cause it's there for All to see....Round 1 6. Benji 7. Moltzen..........2. Tuqiri,,,,,,,,

Fitzy>>>>>>>>>>>>>State Cup........


Anyhow........carry on......... :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:
I haven't read the rest of the posts, but I agree with you here Geo.

This screams of preparation for a week one team of:

1 Mitch Brown
2 Lote Tuquiri
3 Blake Ayshford
4 Chris Lawrence
5 Beau Ryan
6 Benji Marshall
7 Tim Moltzen
8 Bryce Gibbs
9 Robbie Farah ©
10 Keith Galloway
11 Gareth Ellis
12 Liam Fulton
13 Chris Heighington

14 Jason Cayless
15 Junior Moors
16 Willie Mataka
17 Geoff Daniela/Daniel Fitzhenry/Robert Lui

A few weeks into the season I'd then expect to see Tuquiri and Brown swapping spots.

And if Tuqiri isn't on the wing in week 1 then it'll only be a couple of weeks before he is...
That's pretty much the exact team I want to see for round one!
and as you say it looks like things are pointing towards that team and I would be very happy with that.

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Post by smeghead » Wed 24 Feb, 2010 10:09 pm

Yet people complain that we got slapped in the Foundation Cup.

We were trialling and Smith did his usual and ran it like a premiership game for 3/4 of the match
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Post by supercoach » Wed 24 Feb, 2010 10:23 pm

I just have visions of the Jason Moody thing. Like others I would have thought this was a good chance to try another player on the wing, Like Sheens we all know what Fitzy can do so why not try a player we are not so sure of at this level.

I get the feeling a team like manly will expose Fitzys lack of pace come round one.Having him against Covell will tell us nothing.

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Post by senexx » Wed 24 Feb, 2010 10:35 pm

I'll see what Fitzy can deliver post-UK before making the greater consensus of pre-UK judgment that others are happy to deliver all ready.
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Post by Balmain Tiger » Wed 24 Feb, 2010 10:49 pm

only plus coming from this is gibbs, mataka and moltzen at halfback...pity benji isnt there to work with him!

cant believe sheens is ignoring the talent we have for the wing!
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Post by Balmain Bug » Wed 24 Feb, 2010 11:06 pm

I am amazed that players have been picked in their natural positions. Good stuff Fonz.

I am also amazed that Mullaney, Pritchard, Davis, Fifita etc are not there instead of a couple of guys who are. Mullaney, Pritchard, Davis, Fifita are a squillion times better players than 4 guys picked in that 17. A zillion times better. Donz Fonz have a Anti-Western Suburbs Magpies thing happening ??

I watched them train today. This is before I saw the side. Moltzen trained at fullback and halfback. Lui trained halfback and 5/8. He looked good at 5/8. They were doing some neat blind side plays.

The Fonz is a stubborn guy. He bought Daniella and Brown and it looks like he is gonna play them. The same two players that Pritchard and Davis ran circles around last year.

Unbelievable.
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Post by Geo. » Wed 24 Feb, 2010 11:19 pm

So if Pritchard, Davis and Fafita are added then Sheens has done all you ask Bug......hallelujah......

Ooops that means Mullaney will be left to carve up in NYC........

One question though would Pritchard be better than a 119 game vet. in Fitzhenry?
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Post by Spartan117 » Wed 24 Feb, 2010 11:26 pm

No Shame in NYC for another year - If eligable let em do the apprenticeship.

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Post by bbobb » Wed 24 Feb, 2010 11:26 pm

Lui i going to be a very classy player. He has what cannot be easily taught - vision. That said I don't believe he is a natural half back. In the 20s he has much more time but in the top grade I think he would be better served in the 5/8 role.

He does not strike me as the general who will lead the team around the park. I am not sure Moltzen is either (although at this stage he a far more complete player than Lui)

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Post by TimmyB » Wed 24 Feb, 2010 11:37 pm

I just can't believe he picked Fitzy again. Incredible. Speechless. I'll leave it at that.

I'm the opposite about Brown to cnx; I think people will be pleasantly surprised about how he goes at fullback. He's been variously behind Simmons & Kearney for the fullback spot. He's absolutely clueless on the wing, but he's a big powerful runner and he won't clog the time of the ball players like Moltzen can be guilty of. He's positional play can need work, but it's a damn side better than Moltzen's (who I'm a big fan of mind you). If you are worried about his performance under Stuart, don't be. Here's some info: Bryson Goodwin played 9 games of FG under Ricky Stuart. At age 24 he played a full season with the Dogs and represented NZ. Mitch Brown is a young 22.

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Post by Balmain Bug » Wed 24 Feb, 2010 11:38 pm

Geo. wrote:So if Pritchard, Davis and Fafita are added then Sheens has done all you ask Bug......hallelujah......

Ooops that means Mullaney will be left to carve up in NYC........


Fonz knows and recognises that Mullaney is an immense talent. The issue though is Fonz (I think) wants a fullback that can plow into the line and play before and after the line.

I think Tuqiri needs a long time back on the wing to find his feet and any talk of having him at fullback earlier on is silly.

It could well be the fact that Brown is the Fullback picked for Round 1.
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