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Same sex marriage debate...

Unread post by TrueTiger » Sun 10 Sep, 2017 7:30 pm

Hi fellow forumers,apparently the postal voting in regards to same sex marriage is on its way..I was very interested in reading Ian Roberts email to the NRL on this topic..Although Robbo came out of the closet about 20 years ago declaring himself gay,I personally have a high regard for him because he was a tough,hard playing player who took on his role for whatever team he played as a number one priority,he always gave his best on the field and never shirked his task,his sexual preference is nobody else's busy unless he pushes that agenda..
The main reason for my support for Ian and his email is that although his sexual preference isn't what most of us have been taught,he is a quality human being who has others interest close to his heart,he was devestated to hear a young male was bullied at school because he was gay and eventually committed suicide...not a very good outcome for our society in the new millennium.
My full support goes out to Ian for being strong and supportive of others who aren't as "" tough"" as Robbo may have been,I certainly hope many vote for the main purpose of the plebiscite and not for a personal agenda,Robbo is a true human being who looks to help others rather than live off the reputation of playing NRL or being mr tough guy,I was pleased to hear that the NRL is getting on board with this sometimes sensitive topic..
Robbo represented his Club,State and Country to his full and best potential,if I was in trouble and needed help he would be my first choice to have help me,as I said he is a quality person with people's health,safety and life in his interest,not sexual preference or agenda to gain from..
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Unread post by stryker » Sun 10 Sep, 2017 8:27 pm

TrueTiger wrote:
Sun 10 Sep, 2017 7:30 pm
Hi fellow forumers,apparently the postal voting in regards to same sex marriage is on its way..I was very interested in reading Ian Roberts email to the NRL on this topic..Although Robbo came out of the closet about 20 years ago declaring himself gay,I personally have a high regard for him because he was a tough,hard playing player who took on his role for whatever team he played as a number one priority,he always gave his best on the field and never shirked his task,his sexual preference is nobody else's busy unless he pushes that agenda..
The main reason for my support for Ian and his email is that although his sexual preference isn't what most of us have been taught,he is a quality human being who has others interest close to his heart,he was devestated to hear a young male was bullied at school because he was gay and eventually committed suicide...not a very good outcome for our society in the new millennium.
My full support goes out to Ian for being strong and supportive of others who aren't as "" tough"" as Robbo may have been,I certainly hope many vote for the main purpose of the plebiscite and not for a personal agenda,Robbo is a true human being who looks to help others rather than live off the reputation of playing NRL or being mr tough guy,I was pleased to hear that the NRL is getting on board with this sometimes sensitive topic..
Robbo represented his Club,State and Country to his full and best potential,if I was in trouble and needed help he would be my first choice to have help me,as I said he is a quality person with people's health,safety and life in his interest,not sexual preference or agenda to gain from..
Are you hoping to marry Ian?

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Unread post by 4jtigers » Sun 10 Sep, 2017 9:44 pm

I'm the concervative type. I'm voting no.
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Unread post by bp tiger » Sun 10 Sep, 2017 10:06 pm

i really dont give a toss, but it is a total waste of money which could go towards hospitals and finding cures for sick people. as for the NRL saying they support the yes vote, what right have they to support yes or no, need to say out of it.

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Unread post by tiga4eva » Sun 10 Sep, 2017 10:19 pm

I was fairly impartial to this, but the "yes" vote have just attacked too hard for me. Criticizing everyone who has a different opinion to theirs. I don't like people telling me what should outrage me, that's why I can't stand Waleed Aly or Hadley and Jones. For whatever reason, people have differing opinions, they're entitled to that without being bagged for it.


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Unread post by stryker » Sun 10 Sep, 2017 10:45 pm

Meh...i couldnt give a toss like the majority of the country. I know 2 lesbo couples and they are embarrassed by the attention its bringing. One of the couples have been together 35 years. We had a party recently for them and the cake was an enormous set of saggy breasts.

I think this could be a protest vote result. People are sick of being screamed at for having an opinion by trendy 20 somethings who are far less tolerant than the 'bigots' they oppose. That will be a damn shame for people like those i mentioned.

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Unread post by tiga4eva » Sun 10 Sep, 2017 10:47 pm

stryker wrote:
Sun 10 Sep, 2017 10:45 pm
Meh...i couldnt give a toss like the majority of the country. I know 2 lesbo couples and they are embarrassed by the attention its bringing. One of the couples have been together 35 years. We had a party recently for them and the cake was an enormous set of saggy breasts.

I think this could be a protest vote result. People are sick of being screamed at for having an opinion by trendy 20 somethings who are far less tolerant than the 'bigots' they oppose. That will be a damn shame for people like those i mentioned earlier.
Exaclty, if they're voting yes as a form of acceptance for the gay community, accept that some people may not have the same view

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Unread post by Spud Murphy » Sun 10 Sep, 2017 11:01 pm

stryker wrote:
Sun 10 Sep, 2017 8:27 pm
TrueTiger wrote:
Sun 10 Sep, 2017 7:30 pm
Hi fellow forumers,apparently the postal voting in regards to same sex marriage is on its way..I was very interested in reading Ian Roberts email to the NRL on this topic..Although Robbo came out of the closet about 20 years ago declaring himself gay,I personally have a high regard for him because he was a tough,hard playing player who took on his role for whatever team he played as a number one priority,he always gave his best on the field and never shirked his task,his sexual preference is nobody else's busy unless he pushes that agenda..
The main reason for my support for Ian and his email is that although his sexual preference isn't what most of us have been taught,he is a quality human being who has others interest close to his heart,he was devestated to hear a young male was bullied at school because he was gay and eventually committed suicide...not a very good outcome for our society in the new millennium.
My full support goes out to Ian for being strong and supportive of others who aren't as "" tough"" as Robbo may have been,I certainly hope many vote for the main purpose of the plebiscite and not for a personal agenda,Robbo is a true human being who looks to help others rather than live off the reputation of playing NRL or being mr tough guy,I was pleased to hear that the NRL is getting on board with this sometimes sensitive topic..
Robbo represented his Club,State and Country to his full and best potential,if I was in trouble and needed help he would be my first choice to have help me,as I said he is a quality person with people's health,safety and life in his interest,not sexual preference or agenda to gain from..
Are you hoping to marry Ian?
:roll

Sorry TT, I know your OP was a very sensitive topic, but this was just too funny :lol:

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Unread post by Byron Bay Fan » Sun 10 Sep, 2017 11:10 pm

stryker wrote:
Sun 10 Sep, 2017 10:45 pm
Meh...i couldnt give a toss like the majority of the country. I know 2 lesbo couples and they are embarrassed by the attention its bringing. One of the couples have been together 35 years. We had a party recently for them and the cake was an enormous set of saggy breasts.

I think this could be a protest vote result. People are sick of being screamed at for having an opinion by trendy 20 somethings who are far less tolerant than the 'bigots' they oppose. That will be a damn shame for people like those i mentioned.
But stryker if it was our rights being over-rided wouldn't we be cheering these young zealots on? But they are not zealots just idealistic youngsters who have managed to avoid old hatreds and can see hatred/discrimination for what it is.

About the biggest zealot was the Hungarian doctor who insisted that surgeons wash their hands all the time to avoid infections - he was institutionalised as a madman. He was retrospectively and posthumously awarded the prize for medicine. Other zealots in 19C Germany predicted the rise of Nazism but were ignored.

Only last week the Dept of Immigration forked seventy million dollars for the refugees on Manus Island who our fanatic, Sarah Hanson-Young, used to bat for before she was demoted for her efforts. The courts and Government agreed with her.

I have been to parties recently where very racist jokes are still being made against Aborigines whereas if those jokers looked in the mirror they were actually talking about themselves. With many victims still carrying pain in their hearts we should be sensitive.

Other rude cases have been the protectors of religion down grading those who have accused the respective churches of child sex molestation. (Note: I have forgiven those belittling my hero)
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Unread post by Tiger Come Lately » Mon 11 Sep, 2017 7:33 am

The money could have been spent on schools, hospitals, subsidising medicines that are not on the list, infrastructure, increasing our police numbers, etc etc etc etc.

Let them marry or don't that's what the government is elected for to make decisions as our representatives.

Young zealots in the majority are exactly what they protest about. They are so hell bent on their own agendas they disregard others. Very few subscribe to a genuine debate and the possibility that those they oppose may be right or outlook maybe different due to experience, religion or upbringing.

Personally I think gays should be allowed to get married. If not in a house of God they should be allowed a piece of paper by law to show their commitment to one and other.

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Unread post by supercoach » Mon 11 Sep, 2017 7:48 am

They should have ticked the box and moved on ages ago.All this whole thing has done is wasted a lot of time that could have been used addressing real issues that need fixing and saved a bucket of money.

From where I sit it's about giving everyone the same rights,nothing to do with religion or so called moral values and let's face it the church has a pretty bad track record when it comes to moral issues

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Unread post by Byron Bay Fan » Mon 11 Sep, 2017 7:55 am

Tiger Come Lately wrote:
Mon 11 Sep, 2017 7:33 am
The money could have been spent on schools, hospitals, subsidising medicines that are not on the list, infrastructure, increasing our police numbers, etc etc etc etc.

Let them marry or don't that's what the government is elected for to make decisions as our representatives.

Young zealots in the majority are exactly what they protest about. They are so hell bent on their own agendas they disregard others. Very few subscribe to a genuine debate and the possibility that those they oppose may be right or outlook maybe different due to experience, religion or upbringing.

Personally I think gays should be allowed to get married. If not in a house of God they should be allowed a piece of paper by law to show their commitment to one and other.
What those young zealots are saying that there is no excuse for discrimination as far as legal matters go.
Funny you mentioned religious upbringing. We know that arranged marriages go on in some religions (included Catholic until about 50 years ago). If we join the gay marriage young zealots with the religious zealots what do we get - forced marriage between a gay and a straight. Bring it on - let the lunatics in charge of the madhouse. And there would probably be a few priests who would happily participate based on other non-consensual actions they partake in.
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Unread post by Nelson » Mon 11 Sep, 2017 7:56 am

tiga4eva wrote:
Sun 10 Sep, 2017 10:19 pm
I was fairly impartial to this, but the "yes" vote have just attacked too hard for me. Criticizing everyone who has a different opinion to theirs. I don't like people telling me what should outrage me, that's why I can't stand Waleed Aly or Hadley and Jones. For whatever reason, people have differing opinions, they're entitled to that without being bagged for it.
Why don't you just leave the politics out of it and vote for what you think is right, whatever that may be...

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Unread post by Abraham » Mon 11 Sep, 2017 8:18 am

Its been a dishonest campaign since the start. "Love is Love" and "Equality" are just buzz words that play no part in this debate, as no-body is forbidding gay people from loving each other, and there is already legal equality between straight and gay couples under State and Federal Laws.

The most concerning aspect to all Australians is what will come after Gay Marriage is legalized. Quite literally, anybody who says they support Traditional Marriage will be charged under anti-discrimination laws. Overseas we are already seeing religious schools being closed down, charities de-registered, Churches pressured to marry gay people. and Business Owners thrown in jail for not toeing the gay Marriage line. We aren't talking about Soviet-era Russia and their thought police, we are talking about the UK and USA in 2017.

So much for love, tolerance and equality.

I'll be voting No.

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Unread post by formerguest » Mon 11 Sep, 2017 8:31 am

Agree with most opinions and from both sides of the fence, but the debate only exists because little Johnny placed a few extra words in existing legislation a decade or so ago to prohibit gay marriages on a national basis when in control of both Houses of Parliament.

I thought it was wrong then, but the world didn't even have smart phones at the time which shows just how much things change, yet a few conservative figures are abusing their power again in costing the community unnecessary dollars and turbulence for their own political gain. I doubt any reasonable person thinks that it will not be legal in the near future regardless of the current "survey" and the future for those yet to live most of their lives should not be decided by those like me that have already lived many years, such as the Brexit decision that the young did not want.

Knowing of his Christian beliefs, I particularly applaud TT for his view.

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Unread post by Cultured Bogan » Mon 11 Sep, 2017 8:42 am

Meh, I support it. I'll vote yes.

If others want to vote no, that's their prerogative. Just a shame that Turnbull didn't have the nuts to push it to a parliamentary vote just so he can appease the hard right in his own party. Not sure why the LNP need to have an expensive opinion poll (#budgetemergency) to help them determine their policy. Populist and gutless, I would have had more respect for them if they outright came and opposed it, at least they would have stood for something instead of sitting on the fence and getting splinters in their arses.

This is also as much the fault of the ALP as the LNP, they had the opportunity to push it through when they were in power, they didn't, and now they are playing the "holier than thou" card in opposition. They're just as much to blame for this mess.
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Unread post by mike » Mon 11 Sep, 2017 8:44 am

It's just a survey, nothing more, nothing less. Not binding to anyone. If the majority of people who respond to the survey say yes there is no guarantee that the laws will be changed. For that reason it is just a waste of money which could be better spent elsewhere.
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Unread post by supercoach » Mon 11 Sep, 2017 8:54 am

The trouble with a non compulsory postal vote is you will get well organised groups from both sides voting either yes or no, but you will get a lot of people who could not be bothered for what ever reason. So I really do not think it will reflect the feeling of the masses, just the feeling of what ever group has the most zealous followers. As I said its a yes from me but everyone is entitled to vote either way for what ever reason

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