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Re: Crichton to roosters

Post by bathursttiger » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 9:52 pm

happy tiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 9:29 pm
bathursttiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 9:24 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 5:35 pm
So what figures have been quoted on Crichton

Just remember blokes never played rep footy and only in second season

Realistically he is a 500 k a season player best case scenario
Anthony Seibold said on the news that Souths offered him $650K a season.
Again we need to ask if that is salary cap or with any TPA's BT

As I said just before , lot of good back rowers in the NRL and it would be doubtful he is in the Top 10 on that list

Just my opinion
This is exactly why the NRL needs to move away from a Salary Cap to a points based system that can't be manipulated by TPA's.


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Post by happy tiger » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 10:01 pm

bathursttiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 9:52 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 9:29 pm
bathursttiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 9:24 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 5:35 pm
So what figures have been quoted on Crichton

Just remember blokes never played rep footy and only in second season

Realistically he is a 500 k a season player best case scenario
Anthony Seibold said on the news that Souths offered him $650K a season.
Again we need to ask if that is salary cap or with any TPA's BT

As I said just before , lot of good back rowers in the NRL and it would be doubtful he is in the Top 10 on that list

Just my opinion
This is exactly why the NRL needs to move away from a Salary Cap to a points based system that can't be manipulated by TPA's.
I've been a fan of that idea , but do clubs then miss out on bargain pick ups and in the end will this possibly make the NRL even more lopsided when clubs find a loophole in this

The penalties for salary cap breaches need to be far more harsh to deter it

If clubs have been breaching the cap for 5 seasons , penalize them competition points wise for 5 seasons

Try getting sponsors and TPA's when it is almost impossible to make the 8 for 5 years and see players mass abandon sides when it happens

Real true penalties

Other idea is limit how many TPA's can be offered , two per club for example and they are strictly monitored by ATO ,NRL and AFP

Two players aren't going to win you a comp

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Post by WestsBenTigers » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 10:05 pm

happy tiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 9:29 pm
bathursttiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 9:24 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 5:35 pm
So what figures have been quoted on Crichton

Just remember blokes never played rep footy and only in second season

Realistically he is a 500 k a season player best case scenario
Anthony Seibold said on the news that Souths offered him $650K a season.
Again we need to ask if that is salary cap or with any TPA's BT

As I said just before , lot of good back rowers in the NRL and it would be doubtful he is in the Top 10 on that list

Just my opinion
Top 10 edge backrowers (no particular order):
Josh Jackson
Boyd Cordner
Wade Graham
Felise Kaufusi
Gavin Cooper
Ethan Lowe
Tyson Frizell
Matt Gillett
Sam Burgess

Elijah Taylor/Alex Glenn/Angus Crichton/Josh Papalii/Joel Thompson/Tohu Harris/Coen Hess

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Post by Spud Murphy » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 10:12 pm

gallagher wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 7:23 pm
Hopefully he turns out to be a one season wonder.
Yep that would be the best case scenario for sure. That and Cronk playing busted because he played on one season too long, instead of retiring when he should've. Roosters end up spending 2 million on a couple of duds and miss out on yet another premiership - I would laugh my arse off!

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Post by innsaneink » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 10:17 pm

happy tiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 9:29 pm
bathursttiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 9:24 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 5:35 pm
So what figures have been quoted on Crichton

Just remember blokes never played rep footy and only in second season

Realistically he is a 500 k a season player best case scenario
Anthony Seibold said on the news that Souths offered him $650K a season.
Again we need to ask if that is salary cap or with any TPA's BT

As I said just before , lot of good back rowers in the NRL and it would be doubtful he is in the Top 10 on that list

Just my opinion
How can he include TPAs in his quoted offer when theyre supposed to be at arms length from the club...it would be cap only


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Post by happy tiger » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 10:23 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 10:17 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 9:29 pm
bathursttiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 9:24 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 5:35 pm
So what figures have been quoted on Crichton

Just remember blokes never played rep footy and only in second season

Realistically he is a 500 k a season player best case scenario
Anthony Seibold said on the news that Souths offered him $650K a season.
Again we need to ask if that is salary cap or with any TPA's BT

As I said just before , lot of good back rowers in the NRL and it would be doubtful he is in the Top 10 on that list

Just my opinion
How can he include TPAs in his quoted offer when theyre supposed to be at arms length from the club...it would be cap only
Well you can't be 100% sure Ink what figure they are quoting either way could be year four of the contract , who bloody knows

And how do we believe what figures a club that has lost out says either

Souths aren't going to say we only offered $400 k because they thought it was fair market value

The fans would tear them limb from limb if they found out they got out countered by $150 k to their biggest rivals .....

As funny as hell as that would be

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Post by Nelson » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 10:36 pm

happy tiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 9:29 pm
bathursttiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 9:24 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 5:35 pm
So what figures have been quoted on Crichton

Just remember blokes never played rep footy and only in second season

Realistically he is a 500 k a season player best case scenario
Anthony Seibold said on the news that Souths offered him $650K a season.
Again we need to ask if that is salary cap or with any TPA's BT

As I said just before , lot of good back rowers in the NRL and it would be doubtful he is in the Top 10 on that list

Just my opinion
Offers are made based on what a club thinks the player will deliver over the contract years, not what they've done in the past. This deal is for 3 years from 2019, at which point they are expecting him to be in the top few 2nd rowers in the comp. They will have paid plenty for him and his market value will have been well above $500K given the limited stock of quality 2nd rowers actually off contract. He and Cordner are the marquee options and the next rung would be Lowe and Papalii (a poor 2017 will have dragged his price down) followed by Joel Thompson and Tevita Pangai.

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Post by jirskyr » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 11:03 pm

BalmainBoy wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 5:17 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 4:37 pm
BalmainBoy wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 3:37 pm
tigerap wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 3:31 pm


You are ruining the party....:-(

They also re-signed: Ferguson, Tupou, Napa and Matterson
Haha sorry to attempt some rational analysis...

Yes they did re-sign .. but that wouldn't go near the 1.8 million cap increase (maybe 500k on upgrading those players at most?).. the losses and gains seem to cancel out.. leaving the $1.8 cap increase.
Sorry to actually try and apply some quantitative logic but I read some of the stuff here and get frustrated.. always dragging the NRL down Paul Kent style..
The argument about cap increase doesn't wash. I've said this before - everyone gets the cap increase, it's the same increase across all clubs.

But for some reason Roosters appear capable of purchasing $1M players, 3 times no less, whereas no other club can seem to do so. Rabbits were outbid for Crichton and I can understand that, they have some expensive talent like Inglis and Burgess. But they were outbid by a team that already has MORE expensive talent and still somehow finds space.
It washes fine...
Im saying the salaries of the losses is matched by the salary of the gains.. and thats NOT including the $1.8 million..

A lot of teams didn't get the benefit of this increase (bulldogs etc) because of the ratchets in their contracts.

and I missed a few - Dale Copley, Jackson Hastings.
Roosters will have very little quality depth next year as they've traded for the top end of the roster.

Anyway .. no point trying to go against the grain here..
I'm not so fussed on Roosters signing Tedesco and swapping Cronk for Pearce. I expected that. It's the talk of releasing Pearce and finding another mill that's the problem.

So yes losses and gains are fine until you start talking about the spare milion that Roosters are flashing at Critchton.

Don't forget this "talk" in the media of the Roosters having significant cap space started a little in advance of the Critchton signing, which is classic Roosters. They get the deals in motion, they get their media patsies like Slothfield to publish some settlers about how the Roosters have cap space, then they sign the player formally.

Anyways in regards to "ratchets" in contracts, you are telling me Roosters don't have any ratchets planned for Tedesco over the next 4 years? Or Latrell Mitchell or any of their other young players?

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Post by bigsiro » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 11:40 pm

Sadly, the imbalance in the league inevitably leads to fans being disenchanted and less engaged. I am one of them.
The NRL has become like the NBA & Premier League. The main difference is that at least in those leagues there is no suggestion of cap shenanigans, nor are there obvious under-handed double-dealings by the league's administrative body; all behind the backdrop of their own increasingly pathetic charade suggesting that they themselves enforce cap laws to maintain a level playing field.
What utter BS.

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Post by happy tiger » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 12:07 am

I'd be more concerned about Jayden's Nikorima's failed drug test

Club wants to get rid of a player they "help' them fail some drugs tests ......

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Post by innsaneink » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 5:43 am

happy tiger wrote:
Tue 19 Dec, 2017 12:07 am
I'd be more concerned about Jayden's Nikorima's failed drug test

Club wants to get rid of a player they "help' them fail some drugs tests ......
Oh?
How did they do this?

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Post by BalmainBoy » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 7:08 am

tig_prmz wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 8:43 pm
BalmainBoy wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 3:26 pm
Roosters have lost:
Aiden Guerra 200-300k
Connor Watson 150-250k
Shuan Kenny-Dowall 250k-300k
Jayden Nikorima 100-200k
Paul Carter 100k - 200k
Mitchell Pearce 800-900k
Michael Gordon 200k -300k (maybe more?)
Kane Evans 100k
Liam Knights 100k

2 millionish lost?

Gained
Cronk - 800k?
Tedesco - 1 million
ugraded Keary - 200k upgrade?

Increased value 2 millionish?

The salary cap rose also from 7.6 to 9.4 million (1.8 million) - so any players ive missed or upgrades would fit within that..

Easy to say Roosters are rorters.. but I can see how they can fit Chrichton in with the players they've lost

The comments here seem unfounded when you really look at it..
you can't replace 9 players with 3.. you still need a top 30.
Min wage 1-26 is 100k
27-30 is 70 k
Won’t cost much 24-30
6 players will cost 500k
Guerra and Pearce played origin
SKD an international
Watson was the best 14 in the game if not one of the best
Gordon was on good money surely
At one stage Liam Knight was the next big thing
I’m telling you it adds up
But hey let’s be outraged ... life is better when you hate something

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Post by Tiger Watto » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 8:32 am

The Tigers really need to hire one of the accountants from the Roosters; Melbourne or Brisbane.

Get them on the Bus Pascoe!
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Post by Russell » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 8:38 am

goldcoast tiger wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 8:32 pm
tigerap wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 4:06 pm
Its hard to believe how NRL players these days go from nuffies to superstar pay packets in the space of 12 months...The greed that is in the game is very sad....

if the Roosters win the comp in the next 2 or 3 years it can only be a hollow one within the ranks, surely they can't hold the trophy up and feel like they "won" it...or lay claim to have "earned" it...they "bought" it...Gee, I hate the way the game has changed in the last 10-15 years...but I still follow it and my team... there is no way this competition is a level playing field...
Geez , do you really believe that if we did exactly what the Roosters do , or at least what we think they do , and snaffle a premiership because of it. That we all would line up at the NRL office
And tell them that because of all of us having a terrible hollow feeling ,we want to hand back the Trophy, So we can sleep soundly again.
Hypocrisy is alive and well.
I’d bet not ONE of us would be thinking about hollow feelings, or buying a premiership .

We wouldn’t give a bugger how we did it, as long as we got there you’d be cheering your head off along with the rest of us,
It’s easy for supporters (of any club) to have a holier than thou attitude when they believe that
Another clubs get a better run than their club does
We can whinge all we like, it’ll change nothing, we’ve got to get smarter.

However if I’m wrong and you’d line up to return the Trophy don’t bother being early as you’d probably be the only one in the line :roll
I think you would be surprised how many would be in the line.

I would be, and I would still get there early.

You can go your own way and enjoy it.

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Post by Onthebus » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 8:46 am

This is how the Rorters do it

Investment properties

Rorters sign Angus for 700k a season with TPAs it's 1.1 million a season over 3 years....so the Rorters buy a 1.2 million property and let him live in it and after three years it's all his

Did exactly the same Rort with Tedesco

The journos won't touch the subject hmmmm...wonder why $$$

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Post by BalmainBoy » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 9:06 am

Onthebus wrote:
Tue 19 Dec, 2017 8:46 am
This is how the Rorters do it

Investment properties

Rorters sign Angus for 700k a season with TPAs it's 1.1 million a season over 3 years....so the Rorters buy a 1.2 million property and let him live in it and after three years it's all his

Did exactly the same Rort with Tedesco

The journos won't touch the subject hmmmm...wonder why $$$
I'm sure its not 700k a season
Your figures are BS
I also bet the NRL have never registered a TPA worth 400k a year
The largest TPA in the Parramatta matter was 50k per year.
Come on.. stop spinning crap cause half the people here are going to believe you without any critical thinking at all.

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Post by Earl » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 9:14 am

Onthebus wrote:
Tue 19 Dec, 2017 8:46 am
This is how the Rorters do it

Investment properties

Rorters sign Angus for 700k a season with TPAs it's 1.1 million a season over 3 years....so the Rorters buy a 1.2 million property and let him live in it and after three years it's all his

Did exactly the same Rort with Tedesco

The journos won't touch the subject hmmmm...wonder why $$$
This is completely illegal. Another point is that TPA's cannot be brokered by clubs. Therefore the highest bidder under the salary cap should get the player.

It definitely appears to be that this is not occurring.

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Post by Onthebus » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 9:16 am

BalmainBoy wrote:
Tue 19 Dec, 2017 9:06 am
Onthebus wrote:
Tue 19 Dec, 2017 8:46 am
This is how the Rorters do it

Investment properties

Rorters sign Angus for 700k a season with TPAs it's 1.1 million a season over 3 years....so the Rorters buy a 1.2 million property and let him live in it and after three years it's all his

Did exactly the same Rort with Tedesco

The journos won't touch the subject hmmmm...wonder why $$$
I'm sure its not 700k a season
Your figures are BS
I also bet the NRL have never registered a TPA worth 400k a year
The largest TPA in the Parramatta matter was 50k per year.
Come on.. stop spinning crap cause half the people here are going to believe you without any critical thinking at all.
Ok believe what you want to...it's not crap....it's basic stuff

Why did Tedesco move out from his place with Brooks and Moses and into a new appartment down Bondi way? ....Hmmm

Same with Fitler years ago....hmmm

Roosters rorting the system with investment properties

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