Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

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Re: Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

Post by cochise » Sat 11 Aug, 2018 11:19 pm

formerguest wrote:
Sat 11 Aug, 2018 10:43 pm
Coasttiger wrote:
Sat 11 Aug, 2018 10:25 pm
formerguest wrote:
Sat 11 Aug, 2018 10:09 pm
Coasttiger wrote:
Sat 11 Aug, 2018 9:48 pm


If only we were all as smart and intelligent as you and then we would be able to see. 🙄

You’re entitled to your opinion but just remember we all have one.

I for one did not see the Ivan presser the way you have.
I am far from brilliant and have not seen the press conference, but for mine, it's content, or more importantly lack of it was well aimed.

As I cannot see that which you and others do, please inform me as to which issues pertaining to this past week or so that he actually addressed in that statement that make it any clearer than mud?
I saw the press conference and in my opinion it’s easier to make a judgment when you see the actual person reading the statement, their body language etc.

My take on Ivan during the presser was that of a bloke who was genuinely upset about how he and his family has been represented in the media this week and I’ve got to say that my judgment on Ivan (without knowing him)and the way he carries himself does not match the media narrative from the past week.

I saw a bloke who was still genuinely committed to our club and continuing the mission he has been given.

Suggest you try and catch a replay if you can. It may give you a better perspective.
Fair enough, I will have a look. Still, it is the content that is important because it is a well prepared statement, not a response situation where tone and body language would be much more relevant, so I would really like to know just what you and others think it actually addressed.

Also, I say this from no fixed position as to the current or future state of affairs.
Cleary was visibly upset in presser, looked to be really struggling with the week he has had.


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Post by Eddie » Sat 11 Aug, 2018 11:24 pm

Guys I still think this could go either way in the off season.

Good to have it on the back burner for now.

Ivan looked angry at this presser. Now that could be anger at the Tigers, Penrith or the media or a combination of everything.

However I'm not sure this is over. Ivan looked pretty edgy and I found it hard to gauge his true thoughts.

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Post by Glennb » Sat 11 Aug, 2018 11:26 pm

formerguest wrote:
Sat 11 Aug, 2018 11:09 pm
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sat 11 Aug, 2018 11:02 pm
formerguest wrote:
Sat 11 Aug, 2018 10:43 pm
Coasttiger wrote:
Sat 11 Aug, 2018 10:25 pm


I saw the press conference and in my opinion it’s easier to make a judgment when you see the actual person reading the statement, their body language etc.

My take on Ivan during the presser was that of a bloke who was genuinely upset about how he and his family has been represented in the media this week and I’ve got to say that my judgment on Ivan (without knowing him)and the way he carries himself does not match the media narrative from the past week.

I saw a bloke who was still genuinely committed to our club and continuing the mission he has been given.

Suggest you try and catch a replay if you can. It may give you a better perspective.
Fair enough, I will have a look. Still, it is the content that is important because it is a well prepared statement, not a response situation where tone and body language would be much more relevant, so I would really like to know just what you and others think it actually addressed.

Also, I say this from no fixed position as to the current or future state of affairs.
What is different from today than 4 weeks ago?

I thought the statement was read because Ivan wanted to be clear. It was obvious he has been rattled by this so probably didn’t trust himself to speak off the cuff.

What it addressed was that Ivan will be our coach until end 2020. That he wasn’t going to break his contract.

Isn’t that enough?
No. It would have been enough at the beginning of the week, but far from it four or five days later.

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Post by bathursttiger » Sat 11 Aug, 2018 11:28 pm

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Has Nathan resigned with Panthers ?
No he played today so he hasn't resigned.
Maybe he might re-sign at a later date.
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Post by PYMBLEPETE » Sat 11 Aug, 2018 11:37 pm

My first post in this 130 page monster.
I wont pretend to know what has gone on in this saga. However I found IC's statement pretty disappointing. As another poster noted, seemed to leave more unsaid than what actually was. I wonder if Ivan and Justin will be as tight going forward.


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Post by Spud Murphy » Sat 11 Aug, 2018 11:51 pm

PYMBLEPETE wrote:
Sat 11 Aug, 2018 11:37 pm
My first post in this 130 page monster.
I wont pretend to know what has gone on in this saga. However I found IC's statement pretty disappointing. As another poster noted, seemed to leave more unsaid than what actually was. I wonder if Ivan and Justin will be as tight going forward.
I only just watched the video of this, thought Ivan was weird. Certainly not his usual demeanour. Seemed to be really upset - whether that was because of all the media speculation, painting him in a bad light or because he won't be able to coach his son for at least another two years, I don't know, but he certainly wasn't right.

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Post by Cairnstigers » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 12:13 am

Look it's clear that Ivan just went to see a mate at Penrith for a
Cafe Latte that's all
They ended up speaking about Ivan's House and his pet cat
Nathans playing future or Ivan's coaching future were not discussed at all
Oh no not at at
Forget about it it just did not happen
Why would anyone think that
And Gus had no idea about any of this because he was asleep at the time
Gus certainly didnt have any Idea he was going to Sack Griffin 4 weeks out from the finals because every interview with other penrith players and staff backed Griffin to see out his contract
In the end it was Ivan's fault that Griffin was sacked because he had a Latte at penrith and he was going to let Go and Pasco know how good the Latte was
That is why Griffin was sacked 4 weeks out from the finals
The Bloody Latte secret got out
Ah well it's all over now
We can all move on and enjoy the rest of the footy season this year
And look forward to the next two seasons
Now let's make some signings and Get behind Ivan
He has committed for the next two years
Amen

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Post by TonyTiger » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 1:11 am

Spud Murphy wrote:
Sat 11 Aug, 2018 11:51 pm
PYMBLEPETE wrote:
Sat 11 Aug, 2018 11:37 pm
My first post in this 130 page monster.
I wont pretend to know what has gone on in this saga. However I found IC's statement pretty disappointing. As another poster noted, seemed to leave more unsaid than what actually was. I wonder if Ivan and Justin will be as tight going forward.
I only just watched the video of this, thought Ivan was weird. Certainly not his usual demeanour. Seemed to be really upset - whether that was because of all the media speculation, painting him in a bad light or because he won't be able to coach his son for at least another two years, I don't know, but he certainly wasn't right.
That wasn’t Ivan, it was Weekend At Berny’s
He was connected by ropes & pullies that were operated by Go and Pascoe just out of frame.

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Post by NT Tiger » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 6:20 am

Cairnstigers wrote:
Sun 12 Aug, 2018 12:13 am
Look it's clear that Ivan just went to see a mate at Penrith for a
Cafe Latte that's all
They ended up speaking about Ivan's House and his pet cat
Nathans playing future or Ivan's coaching future were not discussed at all
Oh no not at at
Forget about it it just did not happen
Why would anyone think that
And Gus had no idea about any of this because he was asleep at the time
Gus certainly didnt have any Idea he was going to Sack Griffin 4 weeks out from the finals because every interview with other penrith players and staff backed Griffin to see out his contract
In the end it was Ivan's fault that Griffin was sacked because he had a Latte at penrith and he was going to let Go and Pasco know how good the Latte was
That is why Griffin was sacked 4 weeks out from the finals
The Bloody Latte secret got out
Ah well it's all over now
We can all move on and enjoy the rest of the footy season this year
And look forward to the next two seasons
Now let's make some signings and Get behind Ivan
He has committed for the next two years
Amen
My trusted confidential source is saying this is close, but not quite right. Cleary, O'neil, Gould and Griffin were all at the cafe together. It was Griffin's shout for coffee. The order was flat blacks for Cleary and O'Neil, a hot chocolate for Gould and a latte for himself. He came back with Latte's all round. That's why he was sacked.
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Post by MightyMaggy » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 6:21 am

Congratulations to all of the Ivan Cleary haters!
Congratulations to all the Ivan Cleary haters, who are obviously trained psychologists and can read the truth behind a person's words!
If I was Nathan Cleary and I read your unfounded comments on my father, I would re-sign with Penrith, IMMEDIATELY.
By the way, if you read all of the baseless vitriol in this thread from those finding fault with Ivan not speaking earlier in the week, no wonder he put off speaking out for as long as he could! Following all of the vitriol, I would think that Ivan might find somewhere else to work, when he has completed his contract with Wests Tigers.

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Post by NT Tiger » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 6:24 am

MightyMaggy wrote:
Sun 12 Aug, 2018 6:21 am
Congratulations to all of the Ivan Cleary haters!
Congratulations to all the Ivan Cleary haters, who are obviously trained psychologists and can read the truth behind a person's words!
If I was Nathan Cleary and I read your unfounded comments on my father, I would re-sign with Penrith, IMMEDIATELY.
By the way, if you read all of the baseless vitriol in this thread from those finding fault with Ivan not speaking earlier in the week, no wonder he put off speaking out for as long as he could! Following all of the vitriol, I would think that Ivan might find somewhere else to work, when he has completed his contract with Wests Tigers.
Yep! AS I said earlier, it says more about the character of those making the comments than about the character of the man himself.
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Post by Geo. » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 6:36 am

Eddie wrote:
Sat 11 Aug, 2018 11:24 pm
Guys I still think this could go either way in the off season.

Good to have it on the back burner for now.

Ivan looked angry at this presser. Now that could be anger at the Tigers, Penrith or the media or a combination of everything.

However I'm not sure this is over. Ivan looked pretty edgy and I found it hard to gauge his true thoughts.

So do you think Penrith will go into the off-season without appointing a Coach for at least 2019 or still run with an 'interim' with Gus running it or if they do then sack them before a ball is kicked or a tackle bag belted in anger..

Wouldn't put it past ole Bee sting head...surely 1 among the 12 applications are a suitable pawn..
Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over..
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Post by jadtiger » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 6:46 am

NT Tiger wrote:
Sun 12 Aug, 2018 6:24 am
MightyMaggy wrote:
Sun 12 Aug, 2018 6:21 am
Congratulations to all of the Ivan Cleary haters!
Congratulations to all the Ivan Cleary haters, who are obviously trained psychologists and can read the truth behind a person's words!
If I was Nathan Cleary and I read your unfounded comments on my father, I would re-sign with Penrith, IMMEDIATELY.
By the way, if you read all of the baseless vitriol in this thread from those finding fault with Ivan not speaking earlier in the week, no wonder he put off speaking out for as long as he could! Following all of the vitriol, I would think that Ivan might find somewhere else to work, when he has completed his contract with Wests Tigers.
Yep! AS I said earlier, it says more about the character of those making the comments than about the character of the man himself.
Agree with both of you.

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Post by innsaneink » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 6:55 am

MightyMaggy wrote:
Sun 12 Aug, 2018 6:21 am
Congratulations to all of the Ivan Cleary haters!
Congratulations to all the Ivan Cleary haters, who are obviously trained psychologists and can read the truth behind a person's words!
If I was Nathan Cleary and I read your unfounded comments on my father, I would re-sign with Penrith, IMMEDIATELY.
By the way, if you read all of the baseless vitriol in this thread from those finding fault with Ivan not speaking earlier in the week, no wonder he put off speaking out for as long as he could! Following all of the vitriol, I would think that Ivan might find somewhere else to work, when he has completed his contract with Wests Tigers.
All league fans are the same... All fan bases are made up of the same personalities.... It wouldn't matter which club he was at.... The responses to the week's events would've been the same if he was coaching us, NQ, NZ anyone

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Post by hugh1954 » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 7:08 am

Ivan should have spoken up on Monday that is where the problem started with media and supporters- that delay meant he was surveying his choices hence the comments

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Post by Geo. » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 7:16 am

hugh1954 wrote:
Sun 12 Aug, 2018 7:08 am
Ivan should have spoken up on Monday that is where the problem started with media and supporters- that delay meant he was surveying his choices hence the comments
Instructed not to by the Club..
Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over..
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OK I was wrong

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Post by Aceshigh » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 7:30 am

I think its time to leave this Ivan thing alone , give the bloke a break , he daid he is committed to the Tigers cause and thats good enough for me 👍

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Post by Telltails » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 7:38 am

NT Tiger wrote:
Sun 12 Aug, 2018 6:24 am
MightyMaggy wrote:
Sun 12 Aug, 2018 6:21 am
Congratulations to all of the Ivan Cleary haters!
Congratulations to all the Ivan Cleary haters, who are obviously trained psychologists and can read the truth behind a person's words!
If I was Nathan Cleary and I read your unfounded comments on my father, I would re-sign with Penrith, IMMEDIATELY.
By the way, if you read all of the baseless vitriol in this thread from those finding fault with Ivan not speaking earlier in the week, no wonder he put off speaking out for as long as he could! Following all of the vitriol, I would think that Ivan might find somewhere else to work, when he has completed his contract with Wests Tigers.
Yep! AS I said earlier, it says more about the character of those making the comments than about the character of the man himself.
Oh please...save your holier than thou judgements of others in regard to Ivan just because you interpret the information different to others, and want to believe he is innocent of any wrong doing in relation to this matter. I wanted to believe that too - but nothing for five days.

All I wanted from Ivan is to demonstrate that the "vitriol" that has been pedaled out about being on the bus that we have been listening to for the last eighteen months still applies to him. There was enough that happened and was reported that questioned that.
Yes we got the prepared statement yesterday 5 days later, but all he had to to was unequivocally deny that he had any interest in the coaching position at Penrith, as soon as the information came out, and story over.

But he didn't - and in doing so what could have been put to bed as misinformation and innuendo, instead resulted in lots of doubt about what his intentions are - that all rests with Ivan, the club, and or both.

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