Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

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Re: Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

Post by Nucky Thompson » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 10:57 am

jirskyr wrote:
Sun 12 Aug, 2018 10:35 am
Eddie wrote:
Sat 11 Aug, 2018 11:24 pm
I found it hard to gauge his true thoughts.
And there we have it, the holy treble.

"My source is Television"
"I'm not interested in logic, this is rugby league"

and now

"I found it hard to gauge his true thoughts".

You mean to tell me you couldn't figure out someone's true thoughts from a TV press-conference? What sort of rubbish mind-reader are you?
My source is television is the call of the year thus far.

I thought bbq or tomato sauce was funny but television is another level.


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Post by jirskyr » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 11:00 am

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Sat 11 Aug, 2018 11:02 pm
I thought the statement was read because Ivan wanted to be clear. It was obvious he has been rattled by this so probably didn’t trust himself to speak off the cuff.

What it addressed was that Ivan will be our coach until end 2020. That he wasn’t going to break his contract.

Isn’t that enough?
It's not just about being rattled, or not being rattled, it's about not feeding into the media frenzy.

When you look at it from Ivan's perspective, no matter what interest he may or may not have with coaching Penrith again, they sacked their coach and somehow all the heat fell onto Ivan. Maybe it was a Panthers masterstroke, or maybe their reputation will suffer long-term, but despite Hook's damning interview, most journos slid off that topic and back onto what Cleary was going to do. A very Trumpian application of misdirection - the questions stopped being about why Panthers would sack their coach 4 weeks from the finals, instead being questions about why Ivan Cleary would re-join the Panthers.

Where are the stories about Penrith being a "basket case"? Where are the ongoing criticisms about Penrith sacking 2 coaches in a row before their contracts expired? What about Penrith trying to poach a rival coach under contract, all apparently under the aim of retaining their star halfback? All drowned by the juicy innuendo about Ivan and the Tigers situation. Nobody has even questioned how Gould oversaw an extension of coach, who he then sacked 1 year later, then trying to get back the coach he fired 3 years ago, plus his own 5-year extension, plus all the lies and shifting narratives he's put out this week. 2 weeks ago Gus said on air that Griffin was safe.

Then you watch the Penrith press conference last night, there wasn't a single mention of Griffin or Ciraldo's long-term role, it was just 7.5 minutes of blowing wind up Nathan Cleary's skirt. "Oh he's so composed", "glad for him to kick the FG after he missed the conversion". What about the fact they left it to the last 7 minutes to retract the lead, bombed a golden opportunity to win in regular time and are limping their way past average sides into the finals?? Penrith rallied some choice player comments during the week - Ben Hannant and Segeyaro saying they didn't like the bloke; no word of support for Griffin. He's either super unliked or he just can't match the Panthers PR machine.

Cleary made a 3-minute statement to put the story (mostly) to bed and not drive more media innuendo. He had a match 24 hours later.

If he had made it an open press conference, he would have been bogged down there for hours answer the same stupid questions over and over. He probably doesn't want to go through line by line the machinations of the week, nor should he really have to, if the final result is he stays with Tigers.

It would have given the story more and more legs and detracted from the match at hand, possibly even impacting the players more than the week might already have.

Pascoe and Go barely did anything different to Cleary - just stated the company line without much in the way of further detail. Pascoe himself made 2 video statements of almost exactly the same content - Ivan's contracted, he hasn't asked for a release, he won't be granted a release.

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Post by cuzzo » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 11:14 am

The only thing Ivan could have done better was replace the word “this” with “our” in his presser

And this could be the greatest trick the Devil ever played and the demise of one G Gould

The end
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Post by cuzzo » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 11:16 am

And mods, if I have to have..

“this is not Wayne Cousins”

The member Ivan Cleary should have the same

Peace
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Post by Tiger Steve » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 11:16 am

jirskyr wrote:
Sun 12 Aug, 2018 11:00 am
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sat 11 Aug, 2018 11:02 pm
I thought the statement was read because Ivan wanted to be clear. It was obvious he has been rattled by this so probably didn’t trust himself to speak off the cuff.

What it addressed was that Ivan will be our coach until end 2020. That he wasn’t going to break his contract.

Isn’t that enough?
It's not just about being rattled, or not being rattled, it's about not feeding into the media frenzy.

When you look at it from Ivan's perspective, no matter what interest he may or may not have with coaching Penrith again, they sacked their coach and somehow all the heat fell onto Ivan. Maybe it was a Panthers masterstroke, or maybe their reputation will suffer long-term, but despite Hook's damning interview, most journos slid off that topic and back onto what Cleary was going to do. A very Trumpian application of misdirection - the questions stopped being about why Panthers would sack their coach 4 weeks from the finals, instead being questions about why Ivan Cleary would re-join the Panthers.

Where are the stories about Penrith being a "basket case"? Where are the ongoing criticisms about Penrith sacking 2 coaches in a row before their contracts expired? What about Penrith trying to poach a rival coach under contract, all apparently under the aim of retaining their star halfback? All drowned by the juicy innuendo about Ivan and the Tigers situation. Nobody has even questioned how Gould oversaw an extension of coach, who he then sacked 1 year later, then trying to get back the coach he fired 3 years ago, plus his own 5-year extension, plus all the lies and shifting narratives he's put out this week. 2 weeks ago Gus said on air that Griffin was safe.

Then you watch the Penrith press conference last night, there wasn't a single mention of Griffin or Ciraldo's long-term role, it was just 7.5 minutes of blowing wind up Nathan Cleary's skirt. "Oh he's so composed", "glad for him to kick the FG after he missed the conversion". What about the fact they left it to the last 7 minutes to retract the lead, bombed a golden opportunity to win in regular time and are limping their way past average sides into the finals?? Penrith rallied some choice player comments during the week - Ben Hannant and Segeyaro saying they didn't like the bloke; no word of support for Griffin. He's either super unliked or he just can't match the Panthers PR machine.

Cleary made a 3-minute statement to put the story (mostly) to bed and not drive more media innuendo. He had a match 24 hours later.

If he had made it an open press conference, he would have been bogged down there for hours answer the same stupid questions over and over. He probably doesn't want to go through line by line the machinations of the week, nor should he really have to, if the final result is he stays with Tigers.

It would have given the story more and more legs and detracted from the match at hand, possibly even impacting the players more than the week might already have.

Pascoe and Go barely did anything different to Cleary - just stated the company line without much in the way of further detail. Pascoe himself made 2 video statements of almost exactly the same content - Ivan's contracted, he hasn't asked for a release, he won't be granted a release.
That’s what I said (just shorter!!). He’s going to be our coach for next 2 years - end of story. After that, who knows?

If I was a betting man I’d say Nathan Cleary will sign for us by December - but it would be a small bet!!
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Post by Donald Trump » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 11:39 am

Get rid of Cleary.

He is conniving.

So bad for our prep this week.

Raiders to put 50 on us today.
Let's make the Tigers great again!

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 11:42 am

Donald Trump wrote:
Sun 12 Aug, 2018 11:39 am
Get rid of Cleary.

He is conniving.

So bad for our prep this week.

Raiders to put 50 on us today.
We’ll be fine. I reckon we’ll win. I can see all the post match interviews with the players saying they wanted to win for him.

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Post by Spud Murphy » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 11:43 am

jirskyr wrote:
Sun 12 Aug, 2018 11:00 am
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sat 11 Aug, 2018 11:02 pm
I thought the statement was read because Ivan wanted to be clear. It was obvious he has been rattled by this so probably didn’t trust himself to speak off the cuff.

What it addressed was that Ivan will be our coach until end 2020. That he wasn’t going to break his contract.

Isn’t that enough?
It's not just about being rattled, or not being rattled, it's about not feeding into the media frenzy.

When you look at it from Ivan's perspective, no matter what interest he may or may not have with coaching Penrith again, they sacked their coach and somehow all the heat fell onto Ivan. Maybe it was a Panthers masterstroke, or maybe their reputation will suffer long-term, but despite Hook's damning interview, most journos slid off that topic and back onto what Cleary was going to do. A very Trumpian application of misdirection - the questions stopped being about why Panthers would sack their coach 4 weeks from the finals, instead being questions about why Ivan Cleary would re-join the Panthers.

Where are the stories about Penrith being a "basket case"? Where are the ongoing criticisms about Penrith sacking 2 coaches in a row before their contracts expired? What about Penrith trying to poach a rival coach under contract, all apparently under the aim of retaining their star halfback? All drowned by the juicy innuendo about Ivan and the Tigers situation. Nobody has even questioned how Gould oversaw an extension of coach, who he then sacked 1 year later, then trying to get back the coach he fired 3 years ago, plus his own 5-year extension, plus all the lies and shifting narratives he's put out this week. 2 weeks ago Gus said on air that Griffin was safe.

Then you watch the Penrith press conference last night, there wasn't a single mention of Griffin or Ciraldo's long-term role, it was just 7.5 minutes of blowing wind up Nathan Cleary's skirt. "Oh he's so composed", "glad for him to kick the FG after he missed the conversion". What about the fact they left it to the last 7 minutes to retract the lead, bombed a golden opportunity to win in regular time and are limping their way past average sides into the finals?? Penrith rallied some choice player comments during the week - Ben Hannant and Segeyaro saying they didn't like the bloke; no word of support for Griffin. He's either super unliked or he just can't match the Panthers PR machine.

Cleary made a 3-minute statement to put the story (mostly) to bed and not drive more media innuendo. He had a match 24 hours later.

If he had made it an open press conference, he would have been bogged down there for hours answer the same stupid questions over and over. He probably doesn't want to go through line by line the machinations of the week, nor should he really have to, if the final result is he stays with Tigers.

It would have given the story more and more legs and detracted from the match at hand, possibly even impacting the players more than the week might already have.

Pascoe and Go barely did anything different to Cleary - just stated the company line without much in the way of further detail. Pascoe himself made 2 video statements of almost exactly the same content - Ivan's contracted, he hasn't asked for a release, he won't be granted a release.
Great post Jirskyr! I'm still livid at the way Penrith and Gould have dragged us into their mess and somehow got the media to focus more on us than them, thereby disrupting our coach, our club, our team, our season and trying to unravel everything that has been done to re-build our club over the past 18 months!

I'd love to see this all blow up in Gould's and O'Neill's smarmy faces. I know Saints are on the big slide in form at the moment, but I would have great pleasure in seeing Penrith be the first team knocked out of the finals race. Not that I have anything against the Penrith players or Ciraldo for that matter, they're just as much caught up in the dirty politics of their management as we are. They were the team I was going to support if we don't make the finals, but they can fall flat on their faces now for all I care.

Another year of failure will just highlight the ineptness of Gould in getting this 'talented' team to win a Premiership, after he has promised so much to the fans, and the blame will fall squarely on his shoulders for sacking the coach and stuffing up their season 4 weeks out from the finals.

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Post by Byron Bay Fan » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 11:43 am

With Brooks, Marshall and Farah I don't think will be fifty. 30 difference at the most. Or would be if no Cleary distraction.
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Post by 851 » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 11:58 am

Another Griffin interview in sunday tele, where he answers questions about what Gus said about him.
Also shows Buzz texts from almost all the players, makes Gus look really bad, also says Gus told him Cleary was there preference to replace him, Gys has denied that in his interview.
This hopefully keeps bubbling along, Gus is looking more and more of a liar every day
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Post by Spud Murphy » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 12:03 pm

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With Brooks, Marshall and Farah I don't think will be fifty. 30 difference at the most. Or would be if no Cleary distraction.
I don't care it it's only 2 points difference as long as we win, though I could do without the heart attack!

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Post by TYGA » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 12:06 pm

Griffin and Gould should just let it rest. Gus had his podcast and addressed why he was sacked and then Griffin did the interview on Fox to put his side across. Should have been the end. The Footy Show stitch up was not necessary and it’s now a laughable situation.

I can’t get over how Gus has thrown Griffin, Cleary under the bus by changing his story and name dropping Cleary as the person Griffin was sacked for.

If Cleary has the Integrity I think he has he will pull the ultimate power play on Gould. He sacked Cleary now has made him look like a someone who would undermine another coach.

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Post by innsaneink » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 12:15 pm

Pfffft.
After sacking him.... Gus says he's prepared to forgive Griffin for telling his side of the story.

What an arse wipe

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 12:15 pm

Its always possible Cleary was intending to go, but the way Penrith have handled things and the fact they threw him under the bus has totally soured him.

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Post by Spacecub » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 12:26 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sun 12 Aug, 2018 11:42 am
Donald Trump wrote:
Sun 12 Aug, 2018 11:39 am
Get rid of Cleary.

He is conniving.

So bad for our prep this week.

Raiders to put 50 on us today.
We’ll be fine. I reckon we’ll win. I can see all the post match interviews with the players saying they wanted to win for him.
Yeah i reckon we will win today....i feel the boys will be very fired up....but back to ivan cleary i feel that there's more to come from this yet by no means is this dead n buried

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 12:28 pm

Spacecub wrote:
Sun 12 Aug, 2018 12:26 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sun 12 Aug, 2018 11:42 am
Donald Trump wrote:
Sun 12 Aug, 2018 11:39 am
Get rid of Cleary.

He is conniving.

So bad for our prep this week.

Raiders to put 50 on us today.
We’ll be fine. I reckon we’ll win. I can see all the post match interviews with the players saying they wanted to win for him.
Yeah i reckon we will win today....i feel the boys will be very fired up....but back to ivan cleary i feel that there's more to come from this yet by no means is this dead n buried
Still a long time before pre season starts. Gus is a snake who can’t be trusted.

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Post by jirskyr » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 12:34 pm

Donald Trump wrote:
Sun 12 Aug, 2018 11:39 am
Get rid of Cleary.

He is conniving.

So bad for our prep this week.

Raiders to put 50 on us today.
The real question you need to ask, beyond your dumb and unproven comments about "conniving", is what happens if we WIN today?

We've lost 6 of the last 7 against Canberra and they've scored at least 46 points in our last 4 matches. The most we've posted in these 4 games is 12 points, which was the last game and it was 12-10 to us at HT.

We were sufficiently prepared for those games and we all know that the 2016 Rd 26 match was playing for a place in the finals.

So what if we actually win today, what does that say about the "alternative" preparation of this week?

Raiders putting 50 on us is just par since 2016.

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Post by Tcat » Sun 12 Aug, 2018 12:39 pm

TYGA wrote:
Sun 12 Aug, 2018 12:06 pm
Griffin and Gould should just let it rest. Gus had his podcast and addressed why he was sacked and then Griffin did the interview on Fox to put his side across. Should have been the end. The Footy Show stitch up was not necessary and it’s now a laughable situation.

I can’t get over how Gus has thrown Griffin, Cleary under the bus by changing his story and name dropping Cleary as the person Griffin was sacked for.

If Cleary has the Integrity I think he has he will pull the ultimate power play on Gould. He sacked Cleary now has made him look like a someone who would undermine another coach.
I'm not upset Gould and Griffin are still going at it as long as they leave us out of it. The more that they go it, the more the Panthers look like a rabble of a club. I like our stance, no nonsense, leave us alone and let us play like a club on the rise.

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