Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

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Post by supercoach » Wed 19 Sep, 2018 7:43 am

All part of Gould’s master plan you would think and with NC all but signed Gus believes he holds all the Aces and that the Tigers with a little help from the media will come around to the idea that having Ivan for the next two years will not work.

I hope our mob stand strong on this one and either make him stay to the very last day of his deal or broker one hell of a settlement in their favour.


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Post by Harvey » Wed 19 Sep, 2018 7:44 am

Get Bennett and Demetriou

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Post by goldcoast tiger » Wed 19 Sep, 2018 7:56 am

innsaneink wrote:
Tue 18 Sep, 2018 8:47 pm
OldMagpie wrote:
Tue 18 Sep, 2018 8:35 pm
innsaneink wrote:
Tue 18 Sep, 2018 8:25 pm
who cares if Iv goeas in 2 years just let him keep building what hes been building
How motivated do you think IC is going to be if he departs in two years? His eye will be closely on who Riff recruits.
No, I dont believe that, you dont get as far as he has in this game without being a thorough professional and doing you job to the best of your ability
Exactly, I’ve got no problem with him finishing his contract here , if it happens.
There’s no reason to think that he wouldn’t continue do his job, , and he’s free to do whatever he likes after that,

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Post by goldcoast tiger » Wed 19 Sep, 2018 7:57 am

Harvey wrote:
Wed 19 Sep, 2018 7:44 am
Get Bennett and Demetriou
Bennett wouldn’t touch us!

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Post by Yossarian » Wed 19 Sep, 2018 7:58 am

Needaname wrote:
Tue 18 Sep, 2018 10:24 pm
Is anyone considering that Penrith do not need Ivan if Nathan has agreed to terms without any clarity on the coaching situation?
People are saying Gus played Nathan and Ivan. What if the two of them played Gus so that Nathan could secure the biggest contract of his life.
You’ve got to remember Ivan to Nathan is Father first, coach second and would remain that way even if he was his coach directly.
Maybe Ivan agreed to a 2020 deal just so this scenario can arrise.
At this stage of their career they might be happy carving their own path.
This assumes Ivan in 2021 wasn't part of the Nathan Cleary contract arrangements. Who knows though - Gus has lost the plot


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Post by happy tiger » Wed 19 Sep, 2018 8:02 am

Harvey wrote:
Wed 19 Sep, 2018 7:44 am
Get Bennett and Demetriou
Yes but how could we read Bennett's body language :shock:

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Post by goldcoast tiger » Wed 19 Sep, 2018 8:02 am

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I’m still dubious that he has signed or will sign within Gus’s new timeline. It goes against everything the Cleary’s have said regarding how this will be handled and moves into an emotional decision rather than rationale.
Nathan has said himself that he doesn’t want it to drag on and will decide sooner

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Post by Roar Power » Wed 19 Sep, 2018 8:09 am

supercoach wrote:
Wed 19 Sep, 2018 7:43 am
All part of Gould’s master plan you would think and with NC all but signed Gus believes he holds all the Aces and that the Tigers with a little help from the media will come around to the idea that having Ivan for the next two years will not work.

I hope our mob stand strong on this one and either make him stay to the very last day of his deal or broker one hell of a settlement in their favour.
To be honest, if it were a case of Ivan signing with the Panthers, his continued appointment as WT coach would be untenable and conflicted. No point keeping him here for the sake of saving face. How would senior management be able to work with him for the next two years? At a minimum, recruitment would need to be taken out of his hands...

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Post by AnnandaleTiger » Wed 19 Sep, 2018 8:11 am

Panthers offer Ivan Cleary a three-year deal from 2021
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By Adrian Proszenko
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/panthe ... 504ie.html

Penrith are deep in negotiations to bring Ivan Cleary back to the club from 2021 in a move that would place pressure on Wests Tigers to release him immediately.

Cleary is contracted to the Tigers until the end of 2020 but Fairfax Media can reveal that the Panthers are in the process of offering him a three-year deal from 2021. The development comes as his son, gun halfback Nathan, is poised to sign a contract until the end of 2023 - one that would mirror his father’s tenure should he join immediately.

Together again? Ivan Cleary gives Nathan a hug after a Panthers game last season.
Together again? Ivan Cleary gives Nathan a hug after a Panthers game last season.
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The Clearys have made no secret of their desire to work together and the latest move could result in them again joining forces at the foot of the mountains in the off-season. The family stands to enjoy a $10 million-plus windfall if both Clearys are at the Panthers over the next five years.

The Tigers have every right to force Cleary senior to see out the remainder of his contract after throwing him a lifeline after he was sacked at the Panthers. But the situation will almost certainly become untenable if he has made a long-term commitment to a rival team.

Cleary has done little to douse speculation over his future after it emerged the Panthers wanted him back to replace Anthony Griffin. The former Warriors mentor has refused to take any questions on the issue, having addressed the matter only in a brief written statement after the news broke. The 47-year-old’s mantra at the Tigers has been “on the bus”, but it remains to be seen if the Penrith offer will result him disembarking.
Nathan Cleary had initially outlined his plan to make a call on his future on his 21st birthday, a milestone he reaches in November. However, he told Fairfax Media last weekend that he was keen to fast-track negotiations, hinting “It will be very, very hard to walk away” from the Panthers. Penrith supremo Phil Gould indicated a deal was imminent on the Channel Nine's 100% Footy on Monday night and deal is expected to be formalised and announced by the end of the week.

The Tigers had hoped a Cleary family reunion would occur at Concord and were preparing to make a big-money play once Nathan hit the open market on November 1. However, it now appears they could be without both Clearys in a matter of weeks if Ivan signs with Penrith and requests an immediate release or is asked to move immediately.

The Tigers will likely seek compensation if Cleary wants out, either through player transfers or a financial settlement. Regardless, there are plenty of coaching replacement options. Premiership winners Michael Maguire and Des Hasler are club-less, Trent Barrett is on borrowed time at Manly, Wayne Bennett could consider longer-term options with only a one-year deal at Brisbane, while Kevin Walters, Laurie Daley, Geoff Toovey, Neil Henry, Todd Payten and Justin Holbrook are among the other alternatives.

Although the Tigers missed the finals - they finished in ninth spot - Cleary’s stocks have risen after overseeing a rebuild at a club many tipped to come last. The bond between the Cleary clan is undeniable, as evidenced by Ivan’s decision to donate a kidney to his brother Ash.

However, Cleary senior will come under heavy criticism if he doesn’t commit solely to the Tigers. He convinced a number of the club’s biggest-name recruits to join and play for him, some of them signing long-term deals or subsequently renewing their contracts.

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There is also the question of why Cleary would want to go to a club that only recently sacked him. Gould said Cleary was “tired”, ushering in Griffin as his replacement. However, Gould then sacked Griffin with more than two years remaining on his contract, leaving Cameron Ciraldo to oversee the team in a caretaker role over the past six weeks.

It remains to be seen how, and for how long, Gould and Cleary can work together this time around if the later decides to return to his old post.

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Post by Roar Power » Wed 19 Sep, 2018 8:12 am

Elderslie Tiger wrote:
Wed 19 Sep, 2018 7:33 am
When it comes to Ivan the C word comes to mind.That being COMMITMENT WTs need to know NOW if Ivan wants to be part of our future or go back to Penriff and be Goulds b**ch he should either extend or ask for a release so we can move on and build on what we have.The second C word is COMPENSATION if Penriff want him they should suitably compensate WTs by cash payment or player(s) swap.It needs to be sorted now so we can build or roster and move on.
I suspect WT management knows whats going on and what lies ahead from a coaching standpoint. Its us fans that will have to wait for the formal statement saying Ivan has jumped ship...reckon this will be sooner rather than later.

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Post by Spartan117 » Wed 19 Sep, 2018 8:12 am

Untenable is the OUT someone on his position would be hoping for. I think we stick with him for the full period and see what happens.

The WTs shouldn't just buckle.

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Post by goldcoast tiger » Wed 19 Sep, 2018 8:15 am

TIGERPOWER wrote:
Wed 19 Sep, 2018 6:20 am
Fox sports reporting Ivan Cleary in deep negotiations to sign with Penrith a 3 year contract from 2021.

I don’t know how people think his position is tenable here. The fact he continues to meet with panthers while employed by us shows he has absolutely no integrity. How can we have a coach that is leaving to our competitor in 2 years and will take all our secrets plus maybe some players when he leaves. Time to cut our losses, get some compensation in the form of a player or money and get someone else in. What a circus this has become and will become. Imagine the last year of his agreement with us, will he be meeting with players behind the scenes to sign them to the panthers.
When has he continued meetings with Panthers?
He may not have been anywhere them.
As for cutting our ties and getting compensation, unless he actually walks out, we can’t get any Compensation.
If theclub simply cuts ties with him they’ll get nothing

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Post by AnnandaleTiger » Wed 19 Sep, 2018 8:21 am

I still believe this is gus modelling with the media to force outcomes in his favour,

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Post by avocadoontoast » Wed 19 Sep, 2018 8:23 am

I’d be pretty surprised to see Ivan here next year to be honest.

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Post by jadtiger » Wed 19 Sep, 2018 8:25 am

AnnandaleTiger wrote:
Wed 19 Sep, 2018 8:21 am
I still believe this is gus modelling with the media to force outcomes in his favour,
It does have goulds paw prints all over it with his innuendo/agenda

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Post by goldcoast tiger » Wed 19 Sep, 2018 8:27 am

GNR4LIFE wrote:
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Christ, we can’t have Cleary running off with all our secrets. Other clubs might finally learn the secret about how to miss the finals for 7 consecutive seasons.

Lol
No! That’s secret is taken care of , it’s locked away in a Swiss bank under armed guard, we’ll never lose that
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Post by Curly Tiger » Wed 19 Sep, 2018 9:07 am

Nathan "expects to sign" and Penrith are "in the process of offering him (Ivan) a three year deal from 2021"

Is it just me or is this weird the way everything is playing out in the media as a done deal when it isn't. Is it a case of Gus calling in favours from his media cronies? Why would the Clearys see that as an appropriate way of conducting negotiations. Surely it puts pressure on Penrith to get it across the line and weakens their bargaining position

Seems to me they don't want Nathan to get through to 1st November. The November date is nuts by the way, it has knock on effects as we see in this deal. It should change and whatever it is should be in place for coaches as well

I agree the whole thing is concerning but until it's all officially announced I'm sticking with the Lloyd Christmas mantra and thinking "we're still a chance" on both

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Post by Chicken Faced Killa » Wed 19 Sep, 2018 9:10 am

I think Ivan needs to stay on for a least 2019. If he has intentions of going else where from 2021 we can look at arrangements that are beneficial to everyone before 2020. This would allow a proper transition period for a new coach.

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