TIGERS Rozelle Development

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Re: TIGERS Rozelle Development

Post by gallagher » Wed 13 Jun, 2018 7:24 pm

It would be great to see Balmain financial again and represented in the state cup. I know it may cause issues with where WT's contracted players would play but I'm loving seeing my old magpies back and playing on TV.


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Post by tiger05premier » Wed 13 Jun, 2018 7:26 pm

gallagher wrote:
Wed 13 Jun, 2018 7:24 pm
It would be great to see Balmain financial again and represented in the state cup. I know it may cause issues with where WT's contracted players would play but I'm loving seeing my old magpies back and playing on TV.
Nice post gallagher

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Post by Go Moltzen » Thu 14 Jun, 2018 12:38 am

How many poker machines are proposed for the new Balmain Club?
Without millions in annual gaming profits Balmain will remain powerless in the Wests Tigers partnership.
If the new Balmain Leagues Club isn't going to make enough profit to re-establish it's
co-ownership of the Wests Tigers I have no interest in what happens to the Rozelle sight.
Ten or more years as a noisy 24/7 road works depot for all the local basket weaving NIMBYS would be a satisfying outcome.
Maybe Wests Ashfield will offer to buy a share in the ownership of Balmain Leagues.

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Post by quintus » Thu 14 Jun, 2018 1:13 am

Go Moltzen wrote:
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 12:38 am
How many poker machines are proposed for the new Balmain Club?
Without millions in annual gaming profits Balmain will remain powerless in the Wests Tigers partnership.
If the new Balmain Leagues Club isn't going to make enough profit to re-establish it's
co-ownership of the Wests Tigers I have no interest in what happens to the Rozelle sight.
Ten or more years as a noisy 24/7 road works depot for all the local basket weaving NIMBYS would be a satisfying outcome.
Maybe Wests Ashfield will offer to buy a share in the ownership of Balmain Leagues.
[/quote....You dirty slimy bottom feeders will never break our spirit....Silly child.... :sign:

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Post by goldcoast tiger » Thu 14 Jun, 2018 6:49 am

The way this has gone on and on, We’ll probably still be getting false hope for the next 10 years or so


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Post by hammertime » Thu 14 Jun, 2018 7:24 am

Even if it gets up, it's a long road before balmain will be able to contribute. There is a substantial amount of debt that they'll need to get in top of first. A new fit out will only add to that.

I would give it around 10 years.

Let's hope the residents decide to work with these developers rather than throw stones again.

At least the traffic issue which was the main contention last time should be resolved by the tunnel underneath from westconnex.

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Post by Russell » Thu 14 Jun, 2018 8:33 am

Tweed Tiger wrote:
Wed 13 Jun, 2018 5:59 pm
Pity we cant see the plans online.

Had some good nights at the old club especially in 05 :D

Hopefully the locals can get behind it so it doesn't become a dive site.
It's most of the Rozelle locals that are causing the problem.

Don't want to spoil the Village atmosphere etc. What village atmosphere?????

See how an entry hole in the ground to Westconnex spoils the atmosphere wankers.

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Post by mctiger » Thu 14 Jun, 2018 9:25 am

Tweed Tiger wrote:
Wed 13 Jun, 2018 5:59 pm
Pity we cant see the plans online.

Had some good nights at the old club especially in 05 :D

Hopefully the locals can get behind it so it doesn't become a dive site.
Alot of detail is available on the council website - http://www.eservices.lmc.nsw.gov.au/App ... ?id=565934

A small snippet from the Social Impact Assessment (http://www.eservices.lmc.nsw.gov.au/App ... pdf&rend=0) reads:

"Current Environment
The site is located within the Rozelle Commercial Neighbourhood as identified within Leichhardt DCP
2000 and is zoned Business under Leichhardt LEP 2000. The site is subject to site specific
development controls under Leichhardt DCP 2000.
The site currently comprises approximately 6,000sq.m of floor space associated with the Balmain
Leagues Club, commercial and retail premises however these uses have not been provided on the
site for number of years. This has resulted in a large area of underutilised and derelict land.

Proposed Development
The proposal seeks development consent for a mixed use development comprising a 3,010 m2 club
space for the Balmain Leagues Club, 5,093m2 of retail floor space consisting of a Supermarket and
speciality retailers, 1251, m2 of commercial floor space and 173 new residential dwellings.
The proposal also includes communal and public open space as well as adaptive reuse of older
elements of the site, including the retention of the original facades of properties in Darling Street (this
facade will be structurally supported and refurbished) and the property at 697 Darling Street.
The commercial floor space will provide areas for collaborative shared workspaces, creative spaces,
freelancers, start-ups and small businesses.
The proposal will also introduce flexible live/work spaces would support smaller creative uses,
businesses, start-ups and local businesses.
Potential Impacts (Positive)
• The proposal is generally compliant with the development controls for the site and will
achieve Council’s vision for the site.
• The location of the Club allows for the Balmain Tigers to be the anchor to the town square
and retail precinct. The historic and social relevance of a community club becomes clear
and legible.
• Reintroduction of the Balmain Leagues Club to the locality provides positive impacts with
regards to club membership and sense of place and identity.
• The proposed development may act as a catalyst for future community development.
• The proposed development secures the long term viability of the site and prevents
underutilised or disused space.
• The proposed laneways will provide improved access for the locality and will be activated by
retail and food and beverage uses which are at grade.

Potential Impacts (Negative)
No negative impacts identified.

Benefit Enhancement
• The Balmain Leagues Club will provide a greater focus on the wider community and families
with a greater focus on the food and beverage offering and minimal gaming areas.
• An increase in community facilities will complement the moderately strong population growth
projected for the Inner West LGA.
• The proposal will enable an ongoing positive urban design outcome for the site. This is in
comparison to the site’s alternate use as a RMS Dive site supporting the future Western
Harbour Crossing Tunnel and Beaches Link project, which will fail to provide important local
housing, commercial and retail uses to the Rozelle area.
Significance of Impact
The proposal is very likely to have a long term positive impact on the character of the local area,
revitalise the sense of community identity and may act as a catalyst for future community
development.

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Post by mctiger » Thu 14 Jun, 2018 9:29 am

And for those interested but can't read the whole report the conclusion reads:

10. CONCLUSION
This report has assessed the potential social impacts and benefits arising from the development of the
Balmain Leagues Club. Overall it is considered that the proposed redevelopment of the site will have a longterm
positive social impact, subject to implementation of the identified mitigation measures.

10.1. SUMMARY OF POTENTIAL IMPACTS
A summary of the potential social impacts associated with the development are outlined below:
Positive
Potential positive impacts arising from the development include:
• Reduced dependency on cars for travel via provision of alternative forms of transport including the free
community shuttle bus, bicycle storage and car share car parking spaces provided within the
development and implementation of a Green Travel Plan.
• Long term viability of the Balmain Leagues Club on the site which promotes a sense of community and
identity.
• Provision of community facilities and services which will support the incoming residents and wider
community.
• Improved passive surveillance across the site and surrounding land uses, and improved overall amenity
of the area.
• Opportunities for employment to support the existing and incoming population.
• Development of modern housing options for a broad mix of residents.

Negative
Potential negative impacts arising from the development include:
• Increased demand from incoming residents on community facilities and services in the area.
• Anti-social behaviour and liquor related incidences occurring on or around the site associated with the
Club and other tenancies.
• Short-term impacts on adjacent retail areas due to a redirection of spending.
• Overlooking into adjoining low density residential properties.
• Adverse noise impacts during construction and during occupation and operation.
Implementation of the management and mitigation measures outlined in section 9 of this report will reduce
the potential negative impacts and maximise the potential benefits of the proposed development.

10.2. HIGH LEVEL MONITORING ADVICE
Ongoing monitoring of mitigation measures is essential for the effective, long-term management of social
impacts. The following are high-level recommendations to monitor social impacts:
• Establish communication channels with neighbours and the community.
• Appoint a dedicated contact person to respond to feedback from the local community, residents and
businesses during construction.
• Finalisation of Plan of Management and security procedures for the Leagues Club and provision of
ongoing management and mitigation strategies.

Overall, the negative impacts of the proposed development can be successfully managed with the
implementation of the above mitigation measures such that it is anticipated that the proposed development
would have an overall beneficial impact on the local community in terms of social outcomes.

http://www.eservices.lmc.nsw.gov.au/App ... pdf&rend=0

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Post by Abraham » Thu 14 Jun, 2018 11:14 am

Sounds promising at the very least.

Thanks mctiger.

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Post by Tweed Tiger » Thu 14 Jun, 2018 11:18 am

Thanks McTiger hopefully it happens.

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Post by smithy » Thu 14 Jun, 2018 9:57 pm

Hi guys...I went to the meeting and all I have to say is......DONT GET YOUR HOPES UP. At the start Darcy Byrne made an impassoned speech saying how much he loves the club and how he wants it back at rozelle.from there it all went downhill....Darcy is a s*** artist,he just doesn't want it.after a series of speakers there was a Q and A session that went for about 30 minutes.every question was directed at certain people in the audience,all known by Darcy and all against the project.Q1....why hasn't the developer taken in account the use of electric cars and bikes.darcy responded...very good question.Q2....with the hundreds of people having to cross Victoria road.....all at one time mind you to get to the club,how can the area cope..geez guys this club will not be like Panthers.its only a small club for.Darcy responded...it's a concern.what a goose.anyway I just hope I am wrong

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Post by Go Moltzen » Thu 14 Jun, 2018 11:35 pm

Off topic but in 2010 local residents strongly objected to a new Woolies supermarket in Annandale.
http://ramin.com.au/annandale/LETTER_10 ... worths.pdf
Another example of NIMBY. Residents happy to drive their gas guzzling 4WD's into Woolies Leichhardt ie anywhere except where they reside.

Lets face it, the "old Balmain" is dead & just about buried. Hope Gladys & her crew give the locals what they deserve-a huge noisy road excavation site...for at least 10 years!

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Fri 15 Jun, 2018 6:01 am

gallagher wrote:
Wed 13 Jun, 2018 7:24 pm
It would be great to see Balmain financial again and represented in the state cup. I know it may cause issues with where WT's contracted players would play but I'm loving seeing my old magpies back and playing on TV.
I suspect it would be the same situation when Balmain got the contracted players and Wests got the scraps. Is it really worth seeing them back if they are going to get pummelled every week due to fielding a pub team?

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Post by Telltails » Fri 15 Jun, 2018 7:17 am

Its coming down to rhe lesser of two evils for the anti development extremists.
Darcy is a people pleaser when confronted but a sink hole at that site would be a disaster for him.
The developer has recently opened up a portion of the site for parking which has been well recieved by businesses and residents. While not over the line, fear of what might eventuate if the government takes control has definitely softened the opposition to the development.

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Post by hammertime » Fri 15 Jun, 2018 8:00 am

If Darcy is against this one, he is a dropkick. Time for him to grow a backbone and tell his constituents that they aren't the ones risking their money and they won't get every left wing fantasy that they dream of.

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Post by Tweed Tiger » Fri 15 Jun, 2018 8:47 am

Maybe Darcy gets some kick backs if the dive site happens. Having lived near one before it was horrible, dust over everything and constant noise for years.

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Post by innsaneink » Fri 15 Jun, 2018 9:15 am

What is a dive site.?
A tunnel entrance?
Vic Rd is busy enough as it is I don't see the difference a declining off ramp will make

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