Todays Loss could work in our favour for next year

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Re: Todays Loss could work in our favour for next year

Post by rex2ce » Mon 05 Sep, 2016 4:47 pm

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Kavi wrote:missing 14 finals series in 17 years should be a wakeup call
Embarrassing. And some think a coaching change will solve everything lol.
It won't but it's a bloody good start
Not when you've already sacked the one before him with pretty much the same squad. At what point do we collectively put the responsibility on the players? Blaming the coach is an cop out and a excuse not to focus on the role the players play. When we do sack him and don't move forward we'll call for the next coach to be sacked too.
Potter was not sacked, his contract was not renewed, big difference, teams needs a coach whom they respect as a man, don't think they respect JT


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Post by GNR4LIFE » Mon 05 Sep, 2016 4:50 pm

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GNR4LIFE wrote: Embarrassing. And some think a coaching change will solve everything lol.
It won't but it's a bloody good start
Not when you've already sacked the one before him with pretty much the same squad. At what point do we collectively put the responsibility on the players? Blaming the coach is an cop out and a excuse not to focus on the role the players play. When we do sack him and don't move forward we'll call for the next coach to be sacked too.
Potter was not sacked, his contract was not renewed, big difference, teams needs a coach whom they respect as a man, don't think they respect JT
Same thing. Its still a revolving door of coaches. As far as not respecting JT, i don't think the players would have responded the way they did after Farah was dropped if they didn't respect the coach. He'd have lost them completely.

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Post by Eddie » Mon 05 Sep, 2016 5:09 pm

Season defining games were lost by huge margins. That is a real concern.

Taylor did well to negotiate a 3rd year in his deal, Potter deserved one but his contract was up.

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Post by Tigerboy » Mon 05 Sep, 2016 5:38 pm

Fellas I hate to tell you but unless several 'marquee' players take a rocket up the @$$ over the off-season (not to mention names), and mature; games like the raiders one will be just as frequent next year or under any coach for that matter. WE Desperately need forwards for next year!!! :pray: :pray: :deadhorse: :sign:

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Post by Cosimo_Zaretti » Mon 05 Sep, 2016 10:22 pm

Making the finals never works in your favour. Not ever.


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Post by Tigertigertiger » Mon 05 Sep, 2016 11:39 pm

Our club is like a car salesman ....if he spins enough BS .....you will think your Hyundai runs like a Ferrari

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Post by krayola » Tue 06 Sep, 2016 10:47 am

For a young team with an average level of talent we actually did pretty well this year. We shouldn't have finished so close on the ladder to the 8 with that forward pack...Aloiai and DENE FRIGGIN HALATAU started a lot of games, Lovett was a regular in the team, as was Edwards by the end. Maybe one of those guys would get a regular run at a good team, so to play all 4 explains the score line on Sunday pretty well.

The confidence of our young halves isn't always matched by their talent or intelligence either.

The problem? Where does the improvement come from? Felise, Tatola and Marsters need some strong veterans around them (Lawrence doesn't count).
One of my sources is Pascoe

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Post by foreveratiger » Tue 06 Sep, 2016 11:15 am

In answer to the Original post....let's be serious how poor were the Warriors though?

You do get caught up in the moment and think gee we just need to beat the Raiders and where playing semi final footy, but realistically we have so many 1st Graders that simply aren't that.

Our Forwards are soft bellies with no Mongrel or intimidation about them.
They couldn't even get physced up for the occasion in the opening 20 minutes with a packed house.

Then again a Club with no accountability with the same plodders getting picked every week, they are hardly going to bust there guts when they will still get picked regardless the following week.
A bit of complacency happening with some of our players IMO.
It depends who you talk to on this Forum, if you are Optimistic? it's because your delusional and need a reality check. If you are Pessimistic? Your accused of being a negative Nancy and to go and follow another Club.

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Post by tigers2005 » Tue 06 Sep, 2016 10:00 pm

foreveratiger wrote:In answer to the Original post....let's be serious how poor were the Warriors though?

You do get caught up in the moment and think gee we just need to beat the Raiders and where playing semi final footy, but realistically we have so many 1st Graders that simply aren't that.

Our Forwards are soft bellies with no Mongrel or intimidation about them.
They couldn't even get physced up for the occasion in the opening 20 minutes with a packed house.

Then again a Club with no accountability with the same plodders getting picked every week, they are hardly going to bust there guts when they will still get picked regardless the following week.
A bit of complacency happening with some of our players IMO.
Havent you heard, accountability doesnt get you in the semis. If you make your players accountable then you have to drop them, and dropping players means players coming jn and out of your team which is bad for consistency and cohesion lol. Only at the tigers ah.....

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Post by TCL » Tue 06 Sep, 2016 10:15 pm

foreveratiger wrote:In answer to the Original post....let's be serious how poor were the Warriors though?

You do get caught up in the moment and think gee we just need to beat the Raiders and where playing semi final footy, but realistically we have so many 1st Graders that simply aren't that.

Our Forwards are soft bellies with no Mongrel or intimidation about them.
They couldn't even get physced up for the occasion in the opening 20 minutes with a packed house.

Then again a Club with no accountability with the same plodders getting picked every week, they are hardly going to bust there guts when they will still get picked regardless the following week.
A bit of complacency happening with some of our players IMO.
i thought the same about the Cowboys win, they were off their game, guys over running the play, slow service and Thurston was not right.

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Post by foreveratiger » Tue 06 Sep, 2016 10:17 pm

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foreveratiger wrote:In answer to the Original post....let's be serious how poor were the Warriors though?

You do get caught up in the moment and think gee we just need to beat the Raiders and where playing semi final footy, but realistically we have so many 1st Graders that simply aren't that.

Our Forwards are soft bellies with no Mongrel or intimidation about them.
They couldn't even get physced up for the occasion in the opening 20 minutes with a packed house.

Then again a Club with no accountability with the same plodders getting picked every week, they are hardly going to bust there guts when they will still get picked regardless the following week.
A bit of complacency happening with some of our players IMO.
Havent you heard, accountability doesnt get you in the semis. If you make your players accountable then you have to drop them, and dropping players means players coming jn and out of your team which is bad for consistency and cohesion lol. Only at the tigers ah.....
And that's what pisses me off about the Club i support....the tripe i have to believe that " the best 17 was picked " :blah :blah :blah .
I can still visually see Rankin knocking that ball on against the Bulldogs that was on his chest that would of sealed the game or the 200 knock ons i had to witness at Penrith Stadium from Rankin but he still got picked every week .
The lack of involvement from Brooks throughout the year the missed tackles that led to tries .
The poor lack of defensive reads from Naiqama , the rushing up in defence when not required .
Lovett , Edwards etc but they will all get picked every week .
We had Addo-Carr untouched for half a year and persisted with Rankin when Addo- Carr was the form winger during Pre-Season , Rod Griffin not even experimented and see if he had it .
It depends who you talk to on this Forum, if you are Optimistic? it's because your delusional and need a reality check. If you are Pessimistic? Your accused of being a negative Nancy and to go and follow another Club.

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Post by Geo. » Tue 06 Sep, 2016 10:26 pm

foreveratiger wrote:In answer to the Original post....let's be serious how poor were the Warriors though?

You do get caught up in the moment and think gee we just need to beat the Raiders and where playing semi final footy, but realistically we have so many 1st Graders that simply aren't that.

Our Forwards are soft bellies with no Mongrel or intimidation about them.
They couldn't even get physced up for the occasion in the opening 20 minutes with a packed house.

Then again a Club with no accountability with the same plodders getting picked every week, they are hardly going to bust there guts when they will still get picked regardless the following week.
A bit of complacency happening with some of our players IMO.

Ummm... we have so many first graders who are not but you want to replace them with even lesser reserve graders..so when they don't come up ...you replace them with..?

I've gleaned that the main problems are Rankin Lovett Brooks and Naiqama lets put in Hunt Chee-Kam Littlejohn and Sironen...Are we suddenly a Top 8 side..?

How can any Coach change this...?
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2. The Star of the Team is the Team
3. Be the player your teammates want to play with..

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Post by foreveratiger » Tue 06 Sep, 2016 10:45 pm

Geo. wrote:
foreveratiger wrote:In answer to the Original post....let's be serious how poor were the Warriors though?

You do get caught up in the moment and think gee we just need to beat the Raiders and where playing semi final footy, but realistically we have so many 1st Graders that simply aren't that.

Our Forwards are soft bellies with no Mongrel or intimidation about them.
They couldn't even get physced up for the occasion in the opening 20 minutes with a packed house.

Then again a Club with no accountability with the same plodders getting picked every week, they are hardly going to bust there guts when they will still get picked regardless the following week.
A bit of complacency happening with some of our players IMO.

Ummm... we have so many first graders who are not but you want to replace them with even lesser reserve graders..so when they don't come up ...you replace them with..?

I've gleaned that the main problems are Rankin Lovett Brooks and Naiqama lets put in Hunt Chee-Kam Littlejohn and Sironen...Are we suddenly a Top 8 side..?

How can any Coach change this...?
I don't think we are a Top 8 side , no way in Hell , Parra would of finished higher if it wasn't for their Cap breach , Roosters didn't have there full strength side till Round 8 or so , Warriors were disgustingly poor for the squad they had and we were gifted some Wins against the Broncos , Dragons , Eels due to them missing a heap of players , Warriors were a laugh last week so alot of these circumstances made our Position look more attractive .
But Raiders proved last week just how far we are from being a force , even the Titans game at Campelltown you don't loose that if your a real Top 8 side .
You can't expect to have the 2nd worst defence and be deserved of Semi Final Footy we have conceded more than double of what Melbourne Storm have conceded.
JT hasn't fixed or identified how to fix our defence.....something he told us just how soft every other NRL Club perceived our Defence , If his a Coach then i'm Bill Harrigan
It depends who you talk to on this Forum, if you are Optimistic? it's because your delusional and need a reality check. If you are Pessimistic? Your accused of being a negative Nancy and to go and follow another Club.

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Post by Geo. » Tue 06 Sep, 2016 10:58 pm

foreveratiger wrote:
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foreveratiger wrote:In answer to the Original post....let's be serious how poor were the Warriors though?

You do get caught up in the moment and think gee we just need to beat the Raiders and where playing semi final footy, but realistically we have so many 1st Graders that simply aren't that.

Our Forwards are soft bellies with no Mongrel or intimidation about them.
They couldn't even get physced up for the occasion in the opening 20 minutes with a packed house.

Then again a Club with no accountability with the same plodders getting picked every week, they are hardly going to bust there guts when they will still get picked regardless the following week.
A bit of complacency happening with some of our players IMO.

Ummm... we have so many first graders who are not but you want to replace them with even lesser reserve graders..so when they don't come up ...you replace them with..?

I've gleaned that the main problems are Rankin Lovett Brooks and Naiqama lets put in Hunt Chee-Kam Littlejohn and Sironen...Are we suddenly a Top 8 side..?

How can any Coach change this...?
I don't think we are a Top 8 side , no way in Hell , Parra would of finished higher if it wasn't for their Cap breach , Roosters didn't have there full strength side till Round 8 or so , Warriors were disgustingly poor for the squad they had and we were gifted some Wins against the Broncos , Dragons , Eels due to them missing a heap of players , Warriors were a laugh last week so alot of these circumstances made our Position look more attractive .
But Raiders proved last week just how far we are from being a force , even the Titans game at Campelltown you don't loose that if your a real Top 8 side .
You can't expect to have the 2nd worst defence and be deserved of Semi Final Footy we have conceded more than double of what Melbourne Storm have conceded.
JT hasn't fixed or identified how to fix our defence.....something he told us just how soft every other NRL Club perceived our Defence , If his a Coach then i'm Bill Harrigan
That wasn't the question...Taylor can go we have discussed this before....

On the one hand you have people saying our roster is good with a few tweaks ..then you have people saying how far off we are to be a top 8 side...

So is it the Cattle or the Coach...I believe it's a bit of both...

Toovey summed it up If you don't have the players you are not going to win
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Post by foreveratiger » Wed 07 Sep, 2016 5:19 am

Geo. wrote:
foreveratiger wrote:
Geo. wrote:
foreveratiger wrote:In answer to the Original post....let's be serious how poor were the Warriors though?

You do get caught up in the moment and think gee we just need to beat the Raiders and where playing semi final footy, but realistically we have so many 1st Graders that simply aren't that.

Our Forwards are soft bellies with no Mongrel or intimidation about them.
They couldn't even get physced up for the occasion in the opening 20 minutes with a packed house.

Then again a Club with no accountability with the same plodders getting picked every week, they are hardly going to bust there guts when they will still get picked regardless the following week.
A bit of complacency happening with some of our players IMO.

Ummm... we have so many first graders who are not but you want to replace them with even lesser reserve graders..so when they don't come up ...you replace them with..?

I've gleaned that the main problems are Rankin Lovett Brooks and Naiqama lets put in Hunt Chee-Kam Littlejohn and Sironen...Are we suddenly a Top 8 side..?

How can any Coach change this...?
I don't think we are a Top 8 side , no way in Hell , Parra would of finished higher if it wasn't for their Cap breach , Roosters didn't have there full strength side till Round 8 or so , Warriors were disgustingly poor for the squad they had and we were gifted some Wins against the Broncos , Dragons , Eels due to them missing a heap of players , Warriors were a laugh last week so alot of these circumstances made our Position look more attractive .
But Raiders proved last week just how far we are from being a force , even the Titans game at Campelltown you don't loose that if your a real Top 8 side .
You can't expect to have the 2nd worst defence and be deserved of Semi Final Footy we have conceded more than double of what Melbourne Storm have conceded.
JT hasn't fixed or identified how to fix our defence.....something he told us just how soft every other NRL Club perceived our Defence , If his a Coach then i'm Bill Harrigan
That wasn't the question...Taylor can go we have discussed this before....

On the one hand you have people saying our roster is good with a few tweaks ..then you have people saying how far off we are to be a top 8 side...

So is it the Cattle or the Coach...I believe it's a bit of both...

Toovey summed it up If you don't have the players you are not going to win
No i don't think our Roster is how enough nor our Coach, we have a couple of game breakers like Teddy and Moses that are going to be on from time to time.
consistently as a team we are miles behind with the defence being the real worry.

We did finish way higher than i expected so Jason Taylor can have his final year but with no signings in sight i believe it will just be that " his final Season in the NRL as a Coach ".
It depends who you talk to on this Forum, if you are Optimistic? it's because your delusional and need a reality check. If you are Pessimistic? Your accused of being a negative Nancy and to go and follow another Club.

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Post by supercoach » Wed 07 Sep, 2016 8:35 am

The bottom line is our squad of players we have at our disposal is not good enough to make the halfway mark of a 16 team comp and probably will be the same next year. You can blame the coach,the refs or the weather,but it all comes down to the quality you have at your disposal and we have far to many fringe first graders / reserve graders in our 17

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Post by Club Sandwich » Sun 11 Sep, 2016 7:19 pm

foreveratiger wrote:
tigers2005 wrote:
foreveratiger wrote:In answer to the Original post....let's be serious how poor were the Warriors though?

You do get caught up in the moment and think gee we just need to beat the Raiders and where playing semi final footy, but realistically we have so many 1st Graders that simply aren't that.

Our Forwards are soft bellies with no Mongrel or intimidation about them.
They couldn't even get physced up for the occasion in the opening 20 minutes with a packed house.

Then again a Club with no accountability with the same plodders getting picked every week, they are hardly going to bust there guts when they will still get picked regardless the following week.
A bit of complacency happening with some of our players IMO.
Havent you heard, accountability doesnt get you in the semis. If you make your players accountable then you have to drop them, and dropping players means players coming jn and out of your team which is bad for consistency and cohesion lol. Only at the tigers ah.....
And that's what pisses me off about the Club i support....the tripe i have to believe that " the best 17 was picked " :blah :blah :blah .
I can still visually see Rankin knocking that ball on against the Bulldogs that was on his chest that would of sealed the game or the 200 knock ons i had to witness at Penrith Stadium from Rankin but he still got picked every week .
The lack of involvement from Brooks throughout the year the missed tackles that led to tries .
The poor lack of defensive reads from Naiqama , the rushing up in defence when not required .
Lovett , Edwards etc but they will all get picked every week .
We had Addo-Carr untouched for half a year and persisted with Rankin when Addo- Carr was the form winger during Pre-Season , Rod Griffin not even experimented and see if he had it .
100% agree with you mate. I was at the Penrith game and thought there was no way Rankin would be picked again. Absolute rubbish
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Post by 851 » Sun 11 Sep, 2016 7:41 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
TigerWoods wrote:
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Kavi wrote:missing 14 finals series in 17 years should be a wakeup call
Embarrassing. And some think a coaching change will solve everything lol.
It won't but it's a bloody good start
Not when you've already sacked the one before him with pretty much the same squad. At what point do we collectively put the responsibility on the players? Blaming the coach is an cop out and a excuse not to focus on the role the players play. When we do sack him and don't move forward we'll call for the next coach to be sacked too.
This is not true, Potter was not sacked, his contract run out and was not renewed. :lol:
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