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Post by Byron Bay Fan » Mon 31 Jul, 2017 12:51 am

This may have been covered in the game thread but give it a flog. During last night's game so many times they take the wrong option when down near the line. Woods is so slow it is useless giving it to him to break through because they can grab him so easily, yes he eventually did get over but it's rare. Other occasions they will go back in the middle when there are gaps and overlaps on the outside - isn't the dummy half or halves looking where the defence is and isn't?
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Post by Tbone » Mon 31 Jul, 2017 2:38 am

Your Robbie references are becoming more and more subtle.

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Post by kh_canada » Mon 31 Jul, 2017 6:43 am

I'm no guru when it comes to attacking formations but don't the forwards also play a role in straightening up the attack too? Not every play is about trying to score, it also sets up the next play, forces the defence to slide and creates gaps and overlaps on the fringes.
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Post by Byron Bay Fan » Mon 31 Jul, 2017 6:45 am

Tbone wrote:
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 2:38 am
Your Robbie references are becoming more and more subtle.
I got backed up by W Lewis yesterday before the game that DH is the most important job on the field. Look how Peats was only average - no brilliant kicking to make the game more exciting and to confuse the opposition. Such limited players should not be tolerated in NRL. The same goes for halves, for the money they are on about $20,000 per game, if they can't perform good grubbers then shoo them out BECAUSE theses things can be practised almost privately in extra time. I imagine it is being taught when teenage players so they have years to perfect it.

Admit it , weren't you also screaming mid first half when they could not get over the line due to poor direction? They looked like if they were chasing an excuse not to go over the line.

I am beginning to think that RL is similar strategy to chess - control the centre and you will win a lot more than you will lose.
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Post by Masterton » Mon 31 Jul, 2017 7:07 am

Byron Bay Fan wrote:
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 6:45 am
Tbone wrote:
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 2:38 am
Your Robbie references are becoming more and more subtle.
I got backed up by W Lewis yesterday before the game that DH is the most important job on the field. Look how Peats was only average - no brilliant kicking to make the game more exciting and to confuse the opposition. Such limited players should not be tolerated in NRL. The same goes for halves, for the money they are on about $20,000 per game, if they can't perform good grubbers then shoo them out BECAUSE theses things can be practised almost privately in extra time. I imagine it is being taught when teenage players so they have years to perfect it.

Admit it , weren't you also screaming mid first half when they could not get over the line due to poor direction? They looked like if they were chasing an excuse not to go over the line.

I am beginning to think that RL is similar strategy to chess - control the centre and you will win a lot more than you will lose.
I'm curious to see how long your Farah obsession will last. That's not intended as a criticism. I'm honestly curious if you'll still be banging on after he's retired.

FWIW, I was the same about Teddy, but I'm moving on.
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Post by Earl » Mon 31 Jul, 2017 7:12 am

We were really good in the second half and the first try we scored was quality. Our attack was good.

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Post by Byron Bay Fan » Mon 31 Jul, 2017 7:19 am

Masterton wrote:
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 7:07 am
Byron Bay Fan wrote:
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 6:45 am
Tbone wrote:
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 2:38 am
Your Robbie references are becoming more and more subtle.
I got backed up by W Lewis yesterday before the game that DH is the most important job on the field. Look how Peats was only average - no brilliant kicking to make the game more exciting and to confuse the opposition. Such limited players should not be tolerated in NRL. The same goes for halves, for the money they are on about $20,000 per game, if they can't perform good grubbers then shoo them out BECAUSE theses things can be practised almost privately in extra time. I imagine it is being taught when teenage players so they have years to perfect it.

Admit it , weren't you also screaming mid first half when they could not get over the line due to poor direction? They looked like if they were chasing an excuse not to go over the line.

I am beginning to think that RL is similar strategy to chess - control the centre and you will win a lot more than you will lose.
I'm curious to see how long your Farah obsession will last. That's not intended as a criticism. I'm honestly curious if you'll still be banging on after he's retired.

FWIW, I was the same about Teddy, but I'm moving on.
But Teddy hasn't gone yet and we are not missing his play yet.
It is just that I just don't enjoy a game if there is not an active creative dummy half - I sort of feel short changed waiting for some magic to happen. Back door Benny used to create mayhem as well, as did Ennis - you don't put duds in the most important posi on the field. A monkey could have done what Peats does - and again the other day he did not attempt to chase down a player scoring ( I know this thread is about attacking), he did the ruddy same in SOO.
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Post by Earl » Mon 31 Jul, 2017 7:46 am

BBF - Peats is a pretty ordinary player. Does that make you happy. We also should have kept Robbie and we definitely shouldn't have shafted him. Again does that make you feel happy.

I'll add that Robbie is also not performing that well though. I tend to watch him and he still has the dud hog play in him that I think has stopped him from becoming a great player. The difference between Peats and Robbie is not significant. I think on a value for money basis McIlwrick is better than both of them and Liddle may already be a better player than both of them. The overall standard for dummy halves in NSW is pretty low.

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Post by Byron Bay Fan » Mon 31 Jul, 2017 7:53 am

I can't recall McIlwrick doing the kicks yet but I certainly hope he is practising them. I could not fault him yesterday. whose fault was it yesterday that the ball was often going in the wrong direction in the first half when near the line?
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Post by Telltails » Mon 31 Jul, 2017 8:08 am

Peats very lucky to become the current SOO at a time when NSW just doesnt seem to have any real great performers in such a critical role. So you take chances when they come.Allowed him to escape much scrutiny after the series too cause there are really no players challenging him at this point.

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Post by TIGER » Mon 31 Jul, 2017 2:34 pm

Brooks out the back to Lolohea out the back to Teddy is our attack, that's all we've got, both sides of the field.

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Mon 31 Jul, 2017 3:10 pm

Byron Bay Fan wrote:
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 12:51 am
This may have been covered in the game thread but give it a flog. During last night's game so many times they take the wrong option when down near the line. Woods is so slow it is useless giving it to him to break through because they can grab him so easily, yes he eventually did get over but it's rare. Other occasions they will go back in the middle when there are gaps and overlaps on the outside - isn't the dummy half or halves looking where the defence is and isn't?
Chose an ordinary game to bag Woods. I have been super critical of him of late but he was having a proper dig like a prop should yesterday.
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Post by Cultured Bogan » Mon 31 Jul, 2017 3:12 pm

And McIlwrick takes his chances when they present themselves, when the markers aren't square or the defenders aren't getting back to the line he generally runs out of DH and tries to exploit it. He only tries to create something when the opportunity presents itself.
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Post by larrycorowa » Mon 31 Jul, 2017 3:34 pm

Kicking high to don might have worked once but my god did we overdo it all what?

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Post by shane2801 » Mon 31 Jul, 2017 3:41 pm

Byron Bay Fan wrote:
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 12:51 am
This may have been covered in the game thread but give it a flog. During last night's game so many times they take the wrong option when down near the line. Woods is so slow it is useless giving it to him to break through because they can grab him so easily, yes he eventually did get over but it's rare. Other occasions they will go back in the middle when there are gaps and overlaps on the outside - isn't the dummy half or halves looking where the defence is and isn't?
What about in the 1st half when Woods caught the ball after the GC kicked downfield? How slow did he run it back?? Worst ever
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Post by Earl » Mon 31 Jul, 2017 3:46 pm

shane2801 wrote:
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 3:41 pm
Byron Bay Fan wrote:
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 12:51 am
This may have been covered in the game thread but give it a flog. During last night's game so many times they take the wrong option when down near the line. Woods is so slow it is useless giving it to him to break through because they can grab him so easily, yes he eventually did get over but it's rare. Other occasions they will go back in the middle when there are gaps and overlaps on the outside - isn't the dummy half or halves looking where the defence is and isn't?
What about in the 1st half when Woods caught the ball after the GC kicked downfield? How slow did he run it back?? Worst ever
It was really ordinary wasn't it.

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Post by yeti » Mon 31 Jul, 2017 4:04 pm

Byron Bay Fan wrote:
Mon 31 Jul, 2017 7:53 am
I can't recall McIlwrick doing the kicks yet but I certainly hope he is practising them. I could not fault him yesterday. whose fault was it yesterday that the ball was often going in the wrong direction in the first half when near the line?
McIlwrick does have limitations in attack, but his defence is absolutely outstanding. Unlike our previous hooker who would make the grab and be pushed backwards another 10 to 15 metres, McIlwrick stops them dead. Personally, good service from DH and tight middle defence is as valuable as a 'creative' hooker. Very few hookers have the lot - Smith is on his own here and even his defence is not as effective as Macs.

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