ISP Team Announcement: Round 18

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Re: ISP Team Announcement: Round 18

Post by innsaneink » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 8:23 pm

happy tiger wrote:
Sat 14 Jul, 2018 8:02 pm
Guessing the final score was a doozy
8-28 or thereabouts


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Post by happy tiger » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 9:42 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Sat 14 Jul, 2018 8:23 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Sat 14 Jul, 2018 8:02 pm
Guessing the final score was a doozy
8-28 or thereabouts
Thanks Ink

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Post by magpiecol » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 11:38 pm

Demps wrote:
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I said it last week and ill say it again. The culture thing that Cleary was trying to change has not worked.

How on earth can you expect your players to be " on the bus" and but into your systems when every second day they see you and your expensive son being talked about as a package deal at these glamour clubs.

It might have worked for a few months but the players are grown a . . men and will question your intention if you yourself cant commit to the cause.

Its filtered down into State Cup now.
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Post by willow » Sun 15 Jul, 2018 8:15 am

Ill-discipline costs Magpies in top-four defeat to Mounties
Author Dan Talintyre Timestamp Sat 14 Jul 2018, 02:50 PM

Western Suburbs Magpies have missed the chance to sit outright second on the Intrust Super Premiership ladder, going down 28-8 to Mounties RLFC today.

Coming in to the match level on points with Mounties, Brett Hodgson's side fell behind early off the back of a 7-1 penalty count inside the opening 30 minutes and simply didn't have enough in the tank to run down their opponents late on, with the visitors pulling away late to emerge with the two points.

Despite a stacked forward pack that featured close to 500 games of NRL experience, Western Suburbs couldn't overcome their opponents in what was their final home game of the year — slipping to fourth spot on the ladder with a tough run of six away games coming up to close out the regular season.

With a string of early penalties giving them good field position, Mounties were first to cross through Jordan Martin as a clever short side play on last tackle from Craig Garvey put the winger over untouched.

Taking over the kicking duties from the injured Brad Abbey, Taane Milne's conversion from out wide was waved away but he didn't would have to wait long to redeem himself, with Garvey slicing the Magpies open in the middle to score under the posts and give the visitors a 10-0 lead after 20 minutes of play.

A sixth penalty in the space of 25 minutes would allow Mounties the chance to extend their lead further with a penalty goal from in front as the home side struggled to get any possession and ascendency.

Looking like heading to the sheds at half-time down 12-0 a stunning end to the half from Western Suburbs and in particular, Tuimoala Lolohea, would see the Magpies run in two tries in the final three minutes.

Chiming in from the backline, Lolohea played a major part in tries to centres Toni Tali and Braden Robson but was unable to convert either from out wide, leaving the Mounties lead at the break at just four points.

Back from injury, Watson Heleta looked to have levelled the match five minutes in to the second half but a superb cover tackle from Sebastian Kris denied the Junior Kiwi the chance to touch down in the corner.

That would prove to be a pivotal swing in the game as, off the back of the error, Mounties would work the ball down field and restore their 10-point lead as Corey Horsburgh crashed over next to the posts.

Milne could have put the visitors further in front as Garvey created another short side overlap, but the former Wests Tigers recruit came up with an crucial error just metres out from the goal-line.

Still trailing by ten points, the job was made tougher for Western Suburbs as Lolohea (ribs) and Joseph Ratu (concussion) were both forced in quick succession, before Mounties all but put the game to bed with a try against the run of play through Ed Murphy — going over under the posts with 15 minutes remaining.

Milne's successful conversion blew the scoreline out to 24-8 in favour of the visitors, and it could have been more had Tyler Cornish been able to ground the ball with his darting run close to the line.

In the end, it would matter little for Mounties as they controlled the final stanza of the match well — running in another late try as Garvey once again split the defence open to send Brendan O'Hagan over and Mounties on their way to second spot on the Intrust Super Premiership ladder with six games left in the year.

Mounties RLFC 28 (Martin, Garvey, Horsburgh, Murphy, O'Hagan tries; Milne 4/5 goals) def. Western Suburbs Magpies 8 (Tali, Robson tries; Lolohea 0/2 goals) at Campbelltown Sports Stadium

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Sun 15 Jul, 2018 9:34 am

Is it a coincidence how both the first grade and ISP’s season have fallen off cliffs the last 2 months?


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Post by FOD001 » Sun 15 Jul, 2018 11:48 am

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sun 15 Jul, 2018 9:34 am
Is it a coincidence how both the first grade and ISP’s season have fallen off cliffs the last 2 months?
It seems to coincide with the June 30 cut off and now players signing for 2019. There has to be a better way

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Post by bp tiger » Sun 15 Jul, 2018 11:51 am

FOD001 wrote:
Sun 15 Jul, 2018 11:48 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sun 15 Jul, 2018 9:34 am
Is it a coincidence how both the first grade and ISP’s season have fallen off cliffs the last 2 months?
It seems to coincide with the June 30 cut off and now players signing for 2019. There has to be a better way
rubbish, it all boils down to 75% of the players we have are plodders, its as simple as that.

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Post by tigerap » Sun 15 Jul, 2018 11:52 am

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sun 15 Jul, 2018 9:34 am
Is it a coincidence how both the first grade and ISP’s season have fallen off cliffs the last 2 months?
Something to do with culture I’m sure....

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Post by Geo. » Sun 15 Jul, 2018 12:02 pm

tigerap wrote:
Sun 15 Jul, 2018 11:52 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sun 15 Jul, 2018 9:34 am
Is it a coincidence how both the first grade and ISP’s season have fallen off cliffs the last 2 months?
Something to do with culture I’m sure....
Shouldn't we be extending Ivan Cleary to get some stability to build the culture...?

Must be hard for these guys not knowing where they stand in 2-3 years time
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1. You are either on the Bus or you are off..
2. The Star of the Team is the Team
3. Be the player your teammates want to play with..

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Sun 15 Jul, 2018 12:04 pm

Geo. wrote:
Sun 15 Jul, 2018 12:02 pm
tigerap wrote:
Sun 15 Jul, 2018 11:52 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sun 15 Jul, 2018 9:34 am
Is it a coincidence how both the first grade and ISP’s season have fallen off cliffs the last 2 months?
Something to do with culture I’m sure....
Shouldn't we be extending Ivan Cleary to get some stability to build the culture...?

Must be hard for these guys not knowing where they stand in 2-3 years time
How do you expect them to buy into a culture when the coach claims a lot of them are fill ins

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Post by Needaname » Sun 15 Jul, 2018 12:19 pm

I think It will be better next year.
Teams generally continually play first graders in reserve grade because they are happy for them to move on.
As excited as I was that we had increased our depth this year, possibly having only one player in our top squad that had not debuted at first grade was spreading our squad too thin.
It is always talked about this year the strength of our NSW cup forward pack in terms of experience but they should be killing it in that grade. It says alot when Garner, Robson, Heleta are best players in Cup and are yet to taste first grade.

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Post by Pawsandclaws » Sun 15 Jul, 2018 12:29 pm

We've lost Felise, Drinkwater and Garner (plus Miline I guess) from the ISP. They have been among our best all year.

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Post by jctiger » Sun 15 Jul, 2018 1:46 pm

Big effort from Liddle, played the full 80 mins. Made a massive 73 tackles, missing only 4.

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Post by gallagher » Sun 15 Jul, 2018 1:49 pm

jctiger wrote:
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Big effort from Liddle, played the full 80 mins. Made a massive 73 tackles, missing only 4.
Good signs

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Post by clifferdSH » Sun 15 Jul, 2018 3:04 pm

jctiger wrote:
Sun 15 Jul, 2018 1:46 pm
Big effort from Liddle, played the full 80 mins. Made a massive 73 tackles, missing only 4.
He's building up nicely

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Post by Seantice » Sun 15 Jul, 2018 7:31 pm

jctiger wrote:
Sun 15 Jul, 2018 1:46 pm
Big effort from Liddle, played the full 80 mins. Made a massive 73 tackles, missing only 4.
73 tackles? My god... Jeez the kid looks like he can barely make 30 every time I've seen him.. You don't want your hooker doing that many tackles though. Still good on him. Nothing like hard work to make you feel good.

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Post by maxxy86 » Mon 16 Jul, 2018 6:19 am

Seantice wrote:
Sun 15 Jul, 2018 7:31 pm
jctiger wrote:
Sun 15 Jul, 2018 1:46 pm
Big effort from Liddle, played the full 80 mins. Made a massive 73 tackles, missing only 4.
73 tackles? My god... Jeez the kid looks like he can barely make 30 every time I've seen him.. You don't want your hooker doing that many tackles though. Still good on him. Nothing like hard work to make you feel good.
They must have certainly targeted the middle with stats like that. But this is where we've been targeted for years. But you'd think the team we fielded would defend better.
Well its nearly time to have a 'CRACK'....Go you :sign:

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Post by Balmain Boy » Mon 16 Jul, 2018 11:08 am

This team is just a bunch of plodders. They won't be able to win games unless we're camped in their 20 and the opposition make a heap of errors all match.

There is no penetration in this team. None. Zero. How do you score points if there's not a single player in the lineup that can break the line?

Backs have little skill and no pace. Forwards are all toilers. Word hard but no impact in attack or defence. Only one player who can playmake. There's just no options.

Earlier in the season players may have been busting their ass to try and prove to the coach to get a shot in first grade. Now players know they're not wanted and their morale and form drops.

For next week i'd move Tui to halfback, Heleta to fullback, Dylan Smith to wing, Godinet to Ron Massey. I'd drop Tali and give one of our centres in NYC a shot - Seufale or Lemuelu. They haven't earned it, but would at least give us an indication whether they can make the step up or not.

I would just drop McQueen and Rochow from ISP. Name them as reserves in NRL if you want then cut them. You could keep maybe keep one in the squad but playing both loses all balance in the squad. Maybe but Robson in the second row/lock so he can get his hands on the ball a bit more.

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