Junior recruitment and local junior development since 2012.

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Junior recruitment and local junior development since 2012.

Post by Needaname » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 1:43 pm

Watching Ava playing in Newtown today and being stuck in the majority of reserve grade for the year made me reflect how shallow and poor our roster has been since 2012.
Does anyone have any statistics of players that have made a first grade debut since 2012 for our club that have moved on to other clubs and managed to retain a spot in first grade for their new club?
I’d be curious to know our strike rate of just how successful or poor our our junior recruitment and or local junior development has been during this period.


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Post by greatodensraven » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 1:57 pm

No stats but here’s a few names:

Koroibete
Moses
Tedesco
C Sironen
Jnr Tatola
Addo-Carr
Marshall-king

That’s all I can think of

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Post by Harvey » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 2:01 pm

http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/teams ... sfers.html
Suli
Marshall King
Blake Austin
Bodene Thompson
Ayshford
Murdoch Marsila
Seve
Funaki
Liovavave

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Post by Needaname » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 2:03 pm

Thanks.
I wonder how many players we’ve debuted also since that time?

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Post by greatodensraven » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 2:03 pm

Nathan Brown
Matt Lodge


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Post by greatodensraven » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 2:05 pm

36 according to Wikipedia

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Post by Needaname » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 2:07 pm

greatodensraven wrote:
Sat 14 Jul, 2018 2:05 pm
36 according to Wikipedia
Is that first grade debut or club debut?

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Post by Needaname » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 2:09 pm

Harvey wrote:
Sat 14 Jul, 2018 2:01 pm
http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/teams ... sfers.html
Suli
Marshall King
Blake Austin
Bodene Thompson
Ayshford
Murdoch Marsila
Seve
Funaki
Liovavave
I wouldn’t include Austin, Thompson as they debuted in previous club.
Seve and Funaki haven’t made a debut as yet or definitely did not for us.


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Post by Needaname » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 2:30 pm

Ahh wow. 9 from 36.
Wikipedia appears to have a list of all the players who have played for the West’s Tigers.
I’ll put a list together of who has debuted how many games for our club and where they are now and post the results.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a lot more like Ava that can’t crack first grade.
Players that come to mind are.
Asipeli Fine
Akouala
BMM
Moltzen
Nathan Malone.

Blake Ashford. Not sure what year he debuted for us.
Then there’s players that haven’t been seen again like,
Blake lazerous.
Deloise Houter.
Lovett.
Jacob Miller.
Joel Luani.
Lamar Liovave.
Sean Spence - retired I know.
Jarrod Farlow.
Jai Hicks.

That’s off the top of my head.

It’s a pretty poor strike rate in my opinion.

Don’t even get me started on players we’ve recruited from other clubs that haven’t gone onto much since leaving us either. That’s another topic.

Thanks for the assistance.

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Post by bp tiger » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 5:21 pm

u know u could go through nearly every other NRL side and i would be surprised if u could not have at least 4-5 players that could come out of there ISP side and be very good in there nrl side . i doubt if we have 2. our recruitment is at a all time low.

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Post by Seantice » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 5:47 pm

bp tiger wrote:
Sat 14 Jul, 2018 5:21 pm
u know u could go through nearly every other NRL side and i would be surprised if u could not have at least 4-5 players that could come out of there ISP side and be very good in there nrl side . i doubt if we have 2. our recruitment is at a all time low.
It is depressing when you see aides pike the Broncos and Panthers roll out talented players nearly every couple of weeks. We roll maybe one out every two-three years...

I wonder how much effect our new COE will improve our recruitment. Its got to help a little.

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Post by Pawsandclaws » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 6:35 pm

greatodensraven wrote:
Sat 14 Jul, 2018 1:57 pm
No stats but here’s a few names:

Koroibete
Moses
Tedesco
C Sironen
Jnr Tatola
Addo-Carr
Marshall-king

That’s all I can think of
Suli and the big one we missed is Douelhi who is an outstanding talent. The powerful clubs rarely let great talent escape their system. At SG Ball level, Douehli was a star and made one of the State under age squads and he could have quite nicely slotted into our left centre position. We have to do much much better in identifying and retaining local talent as well as locking up the cream of other junior talent.

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Post by The Patriot » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 7:49 pm

Doesnt really matter what the numbers are, the OP's original concern about seeing Ava in reserve grade stands.

Way too much mediocrity around this place the last however many years.
Its an opinion!

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Post by jirskyr » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 9:25 pm

This is an odd thread. How many players debut for Tigers, moved to another club and maintained a first-grade career?

Well the odds would logically be that many of those players that move on DON'T make it at other clubs, because you would expect that Tigers, or any other club, would retain the good juniors wherever possible. So either they released the players because they weren't making a stab of FG, or the players were poached because they were good footballers.

I can't see the club winning this argument. In the old days people complained that we focused too often on juniors and didn't sign "real" established talent. Then people complained that we had lots of good juniors but too many of them were allowed to leave and went well at other clubs (the opposite of this topic).

Now people are complaining that we don't produce enough quality juniors and those that leave don't go on to any heights.

Take for example 2005 GF side and this week's side v Dragons. (j) - denotes FG debutant with Tigers or Magpies.

2005: Hodgo (j), Fitzy (j), Elford, Fatz, Patty, Benji (j), Prince, Laffranchi (j), Farah (j), Skando (j), Benny G (j), Buckets (j), Hammer (j), Fultz (j), Heighno (j), Gibbs (j), Payten = 12 debutants in the WT system

2018 Rd 18: Mbye, Nofo (j), Marsters (j), Frozone, Thommo, Beji (j), Brooks (j), Packs, Farah (j), Matts, Rowdy (j), Aloiai (j), ET, Twal (j), Sue (j), MCK, Hooth (j) = 10 debutants in WT system

Pretty much the same output.

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Post by Harvey » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 9:38 pm

Twal, Aloiai & Huth may have debuted with us, but are not juniors,they were signed from other clubs. Benji and Robbie were juniors in 2005, now they are senior citizens. Mot many clubs would be caught in the situation that the needto bring back 35 year olds to carry the team.

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Post by The Patriot » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 9:41 pm

Yep its 12 v 7 not 12 v 10
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Post by The Patriot » Sat 14 Jul, 2018 9:43 pm

Take away the two that played in 05 and its 5 juniors out of 15 spots.

13 years on and only 5 spots filled by juniors.

Thats a massive issue
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