Why NRL must intervene in Penrith Panther’s attempt to poach Ivan Cleary

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Why NRL must intervene in Penrith Panther’s attempt to poach Ivan Cleary

Post by Tiger_Fan18 » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:04 pm

If what Paul Kent said on NRL360 Tuesday night turns out to be true about Ivan Cleary engineering his exit from the Wests Tigers to go to the Penrith Panthers, the NRL need to step in and act swiftly.

According to Kent, Cleary met last week with Penrith chairman Dave O’Neill for what he thought might be a conversation about his son Nathan, the current Panthers halfback.

Kent believed O’Neill expressed interest in bringing Ivan Cleary back to the club he previously coached when he finishes his contract in 2020.

Cleary allegedly responded he would be interested in returning to the club in 2019 despite having a binding contract with the Wests Tigers for the next two seasons.

This meeting should raise huge alarm bells at League Central.

Under the NRL’s current rules with players negotiating with clubs they have to be entering the final 12 months of their contract. Why should it be different for coaches?

A situation where a chairman is colluding with another coach who has multiple seasons on contract across town should never happen for either coaches or players.

Ivan Cleary also should never be in a situation where he agrees to a meeting under the premise where he believes the topic of conversation is about his son employed by the club.

Rules surrounding coaches and players need to get stricter to ensure the sanctity and

professionalism of the competition doesn’t dissolve.

The Wests Tigers trumpeted the signing of Cleary and he soon gave hope to a fan base starving for success. His famous ‘get on the bus’ quote brought a ground swell of support not previously seen at the joint venture club.

Tiger fans believed he would be the coach that rebuilds them into a premiership contender. With a contract until the end of 2020 the fans should be entitled to believe another club won’t poach their coach just to help their own messy situation which they created.

Having signed originally for three years it meant Ben Matulino was happy to move from New Zealand to play under his former coach.

It meant Russell Packer was happy to leave St George Illawarra after repairing his once broken NRL career.

David Nofoaluma signed a new four-year deal just days after Cleary was announced as the coach and Moses Mbye has taken a leap of faith by leaving an awful situation at Canterbury to play under Cleary at the Tigers.

Cleary speaking to rival teams while having several seasons remaining has to be punished by the NRL. While there appears to be no loyalty left in professional sport the least the NRL can do is step and put a stop to what is fast turning into a circus.

If Penrith want to sack their coach and find a replacement they’re entirely within their rights to do so but it shouldn’t come at the detriment of another club.

In 2017 the NBA fined the Los Angeles Lakers $500,000 after they were found to have been talking with Indiana star Paul George about becoming a Laker. The NRL need to follow a similar path if they want to protect the integrity of their competition.

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Post by underdog » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:09 pm

The NRL would be loving the controversy as it puts more eyes on the game - and this time it's not a player doing something stupid - and wouldn't dare try to defy Gus Gould.... They are gutless hacks.

Knowing the NRL - they'd make the Tigers "Show Cause" as to why they should keep him on books, and strip us of points for some random reason.
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Post by goldcoast tiger » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:14 pm

Tiger_Fan18 wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:04 pm
If what Paul Kent said on NRL360 Tuesday night turns out to be true about Ivan Cleary engineering his exit from the Wests Tigers to go to the Penrith Panthers, the NRL need to step in and act swiftly.

According to Kent, Cleary met last week with Penrith chairman Dave O’Neill for what he thought might be a conversation about his son Nathan, the current Panthers halfback.

Kent believed O’Neill expressed interest in bringing Ivan Cleary back to the club he previously coached when he finishes his contract in 2020.

Cleary allegedly responded he would be interested in returning to the club in 2019 despite having a binding contract with the Wests Tigers for the next two seasons.

This meeting should raise huge alarm bells at League Central.

Under the NRL’s current rules with players negotiating with clubs they have to be entering the final 12 months of their contract. Why should it be different for coaches?

A situation where a chairman is colluding with another coach who has multiple seasons on contract across town should never happen for either coaches or players.

Ivan Cleary also should never be in a situation where he agrees to a meeting under the premise where he believes the topic of conversation is about his son employed by the club.

Rules surrounding coaches and players need to get stricter to ensure the sanctity and

professionalism of the competition doesn’t dissolve.

The Wests Tigers trumpeted the signing of Cleary and he soon gave hope to a fan base starving for success. His famous ‘get on the bus’ quote brought a ground swell of support not previously seen at the joint venture club.

Tiger fans believed he would be the coach that rebuilds them into a premiership contender. With a contract until the end of 2020 the fans should be entitled to believe another club won’t poach their coach just to help their own messy situation which they created.

Having signed originally for three years it meant Ben Matulino was happy to move from New Zealand to play under his former coach.

It meant Russell Packer was happy to leave St George Illawarra after repairing his once broken NRL career.

David Nofoaluma signed a new four-year deal just days after Cleary was announced as the coach and Moses Mbye has taken a leap of faith by leaving an awful situation at Canterbury to play under Cleary at the Tigers.

Cleary speaking to rival teams while having several seasons remaining has to be punished by the NRL. While there appears to be no loyalty left in professional sport the least the NRL can do is step and put a stop to what is fast turning into a circus.

If Penrith want to sack their coach and find a replacement they’re entirely within their rights to do so but it shouldn’t come at the detriment of another club.

In 2017 the NBA fined the Los Angeles Lakers $500,000 after they were found to have been talking with Indiana star Paul George about becoming a Laker. The NRL need to follow a similar path if they want to protect the integrity of their competition.

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It is different for Coaches, there are NOTHING to stop clubs approaching another Coach while hes contracted to another one

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Post by Nelson » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:34 pm

goldcoast tiger wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:14 pm
Tiger_Fan18 wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:04 pm
If what Paul Kent said on NRL360 Tuesday night turns out to be true about Ivan Cleary engineering his exit from the Wests Tigers to go to the Penrith Panthers, the NRL need to step in and act swiftly.

According to Kent, Cleary met last week with Penrith chairman Dave O’Neill for what he thought might be a conversation about his son Nathan, the current Panthers halfback.

Kent believed O’Neill expressed interest in bringing Ivan Cleary back to the club he previously coached when he finishes his contract in 2020.

Cleary allegedly responded he would be interested in returning to the club in 2019 despite having a binding contract with the Wests Tigers for the next two seasons.

This meeting should raise huge alarm bells at League Central.

Under the NRL’s current rules with players negotiating with clubs they have to be entering the final 12 months of their contract. Why should it be different for coaches?

A situation where a chairman is colluding with another coach who has multiple seasons on contract across town should never happen for either coaches or players.

Ivan Cleary also should never be in a situation where he agrees to a meeting under the premise where he believes the topic of conversation is about his son employed by the club.

Rules surrounding coaches and players need to get stricter to ensure the sanctity and

professionalism of the competition doesn’t dissolve.

The Wests Tigers trumpeted the signing of Cleary and he soon gave hope to a fan base starving for success. His famous ‘get on the bus’ quote brought a ground swell of support not previously seen at the joint venture club.

Tiger fans believed he would be the coach that rebuilds them into a premiership contender. With a contract until the end of 2020 the fans should be entitled to believe another club won’t poach their coach just to help their own messy situation which they created.

Having signed originally for three years it meant Ben Matulino was happy to move from New Zealand to play under his former coach.

It meant Russell Packer was happy to leave St George Illawarra after repairing his once broken NRL career.

David Nofoaluma signed a new four-year deal just days after Cleary was announced as the coach and Moses Mbye has taken a leap of faith by leaving an awful situation at Canterbury to play under Cleary at the Tigers.

Cleary speaking to rival teams while having several seasons remaining has to be punished by the NRL. While there appears to be no loyalty left in professional sport the least the NRL can do is step and put a stop to what is fast turning into a circus.

If Penrith want to sack their coach and find a replacement they’re entirely within their rights to do so but it shouldn’t come at the detriment of another club.

In 2017 the NBA fined the Los Angeles Lakers $500,000 after they were found to have been talking with Indiana star Paul George about becoming a Laker. The NRL need to follow a similar path if they want to protect the integrity of their competition.

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It is different for Coaches, there are NOTHING to stop clubs approaching another Coach while hes contracted to another one
Yes that was the whole point of the article...this place needs a facepalm emote just for responding to you.

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Post by Demps » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:40 pm

I agree..

This is a bad look for the game.
All drama. Gould is scum.

The NRL should want all teams to be healthy and successful because ultimately it makes the NRL healthy and successful.... Not only that fair and a better product for the world to see.

Ivan has the tigers in the rest state they've been in for years, especially as an entertainment product. Losing him would be extremely hard to recover from.

May as well just pencil us in as collosal losers for the next decade. May as well just liquidate us as a club and have a 15 team game. This is atrocious.
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Post by Eddie » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:44 pm

Demps wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:40 pm
I agree..


Ivan has the tigers in the rest state they've been in for years, especially as an entertainment product. Losing him would be extremely hard to recover from.

May as well just pencil us in as collosal losers for the next decade. May as well just liquidate us as a club and have a 15 team game. This is atrocious.
Cleary has done a steady job but overall he has 16 wins form 39 games at the club.

He has also made some dubious long term signings.

I have been impressed by the way the side has performed in line with the roster we put on the paddock this year. Their have been clear improvements around consistency for mine across a season.

However it nots like we have an exciting young roster. At least I don't see it that way.

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Post by goldcoast tiger » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 1:09 pm

Nelson wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:34 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:14 pm
Tiger_Fan18 wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:04 pm
If what Paul Kent said on NRL360 Tuesday night turns out to be true about Ivan Cleary engineering his exit from the Wests Tigers to go to the Penrith Panthers, the NRL need to step in and act swiftly.

According to Kent, Cleary met last week with Penrith chairman Dave O’Neill for what he thought might be a conversation about his son Nathan, the current Panthers halfback.

Kent believed O’Neill expressed interest in bringing Ivan Cleary back to the club he previously coached when he finishes his contract in 2020.

Cleary allegedly responded he would be interested in returning to the club in 2019 despite having a binding contract with the Wests Tigers for the next two seasons.

This meeting should raise huge alarm bells at League Central.

Under the NRL’s current rules with players negotiating with clubs they have to be entering the final 12 months of their contract. Why should it be different for coaches?

A situation where a chairman is colluding with another coach who has multiple seasons on contract across town should never happen for either coaches or players.

Ivan Cleary also should never be in a situation where he agrees to a meeting under the premise where he believes the topic of conversation is about his son employed by the club.

Rules surrounding coaches and players need to get stricter to ensure the sanctity and

professionalism of the competition doesn’t dissolve.

The Wests Tigers trumpeted the signing of Cleary and he soon gave hope to a fan base starving for success. His famous ‘get on the bus’ quote brought a ground swell of support not previously seen at the joint venture club.

Tiger fans believed he would be the coach that rebuilds them into a premiership contender. With a contract until the end of 2020 the fans should be entitled to believe another club won’t poach their coach just to help their own messy situation which they created.

Having signed originally for three years it meant Ben Matulino was happy to move from New Zealand to play under his former coach.

It meant Russell Packer was happy to leave St George Illawarra after repairing his once broken NRL career.

David Nofoaluma signed a new four-year deal just days after Cleary was announced as the coach and Moses Mbye has taken a leap of faith by leaving an awful situation at Canterbury to play under Cleary at the Tigers.

Cleary speaking to rival teams while having several seasons remaining has to be punished by the NRL. While there appears to be no loyalty left in professional sport the least the NRL can do is step and put a stop to what is fast turning into a circus.

If Penrith want to sack their coach and find a replacement they’re entirely within their rights to do so but it shouldn’t come at the detriment of another club.

In 2017 the NBA fined the Los Angeles Lakers $500,000 after they were found to have been talking with Indiana star Paul George about becoming a Laker. The NRL need to follow a similar path if they want to protect the integrity of their competition.

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It is different for Coaches, there are NOTHING to stop clubs approaching another Coach while hes contracted to another one
Yes that was the whole point of the article...this place needs a facepalm emote just for responding to you.
Sorry o exalted One, if I’m not up to your high standards, but you’re the one going on about the NRL having to intervene, , They Can’t as no rules have been broken, , so why go on about them having to step in???

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Post by The_Doc » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 1:15 pm

Eddie wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:44 pm
Demps wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:40 pm
I agree..


Ivan has the tigers in the rest state they've been in for years, especially as an entertainment product. Losing him would be extremely hard to recover from.

May as well just pencil us in as collosal losers for the next decade. May as well just liquidate us as a club and have a 15 team game. This is atrocious.
Cleary has done a steady job but overall he has 16 wins form 39 games at the club.

He has also made some dubious long term signings.

I have been impressed by the way the side has performed in line with the roster we put on the paddock this year. Their have been clear improvements around consistency for mine across a season.

However it nots like we have an exciting young roster. At least I don't see it that way.
Maybe part of the compensation should be for Penrith to take on some of those dubious long term contracts eg Reynolds as thats what Cleary wanted in the form of a player swap, why should we be stuck with his mess for another 3yrs while he trots off into the sunset living in his sons pocket.

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Post by Aceshigh » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 1:32 pm

I just hope all this s*** derails the Panthers season ,a place with no loyalty

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Post by TIGER » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 1:52 pm

If Cleary goes he can take McQueen and Packerlino with him

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Post by hobbo » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 1:58 pm

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Wed 08 Aug, 2018 1:52 pm
If Cleary goes he can take McQueen and Packerlino with him
And Eisenhuth!

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Post by andrew 474 » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 2:07 pm

NRL could call a meeting and throw it on the table and say we need no poaching of coaches the same as players , our game looks like crap every week let get pro active and pass this tonight and it's starts tonight at 1 minute past this board meeting so no shonky stuff goes down

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Post by hobbo » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 2:21 pm

andrew 474 wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 2:07 pm
NRL could call a meeting and throw it on the table and say we need no poaching of coaches the same as players , our game looks like crap every week let get pro active and pass this tonight and it's starts tonight at 1 minute past this board meeting so no shonky stuff goes down
Won’t happen !
The NRL thrives on rumours uncertainty and back stabbing !
We need mongrel ..
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Post by swag tiger » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 2:24 pm

TIGER wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 1:52 pm
If Cleary goes he can take McQueen and Packerlino with him
Taylor signed McQueen.
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Post by Nelson » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 3:23 pm

goldcoast tiger wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 1:09 pm
Nelson wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:34 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:14 pm
Tiger_Fan18 wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:04 pm
If what Paul Kent said on NRL360 Tuesday night turns out to be true about Ivan Cleary engineering his exit from the Wests Tigers to go to the Penrith Panthers, the NRL need to step in and act swiftly.

According to Kent, Cleary met last week with Penrith chairman Dave O’Neill for what he thought might be a conversation about his son Nathan, the current Panthers halfback.

Kent believed O’Neill expressed interest in bringing Ivan Cleary back to the club he previously coached when he finishes his contract in 2020.

Cleary allegedly responded he would be interested in returning to the club in 2019 despite having a binding contract with the Wests Tigers for the next two seasons.

This meeting should raise huge alarm bells at League Central.

Under the NRL’s current rules with players negotiating with clubs they have to be entering the final 12 months of their contract. Why should it be different for coaches?

A situation where a chairman is colluding with another coach who has multiple seasons on contract across town should never happen for either coaches or players.

Ivan Cleary also should never be in a situation where he agrees to a meeting under the premise where he believes the topic of conversation is about his son employed by the club.

Rules surrounding coaches and players need to get stricter to ensure the sanctity and

professionalism of the competition doesn’t dissolve.

The Wests Tigers trumpeted the signing of Cleary and he soon gave hope to a fan base starving for success. His famous ‘get on the bus’ quote brought a ground swell of support not previously seen at the joint venture club.

Tiger fans believed he would be the coach that rebuilds them into a premiership contender. With a contract until the end of 2020 the fans should be entitled to believe another club won’t poach their coach just to help their own messy situation which they created.

Having signed originally for three years it meant Ben Matulino was happy to move from New Zealand to play under his former coach.

It meant Russell Packer was happy to leave St George Illawarra after repairing his once broken NRL career.

David Nofoaluma signed a new four-year deal just days after Cleary was announced as the coach and Moses Mbye has taken a leap of faith by leaving an awful situation at Canterbury to play under Cleary at the Tigers.

Cleary speaking to rival teams while having several seasons remaining has to be punished by the NRL. While there appears to be no loyalty left in professional sport the least the NRL can do is step and put a stop to what is fast turning into a circus.

If Penrith want to sack their coach and find a replacement they’re entirely within their rights to do so but it shouldn’t come at the detriment of another club.

In 2017 the NBA fined the Los Angeles Lakers $500,000 after they were found to have been talking with Indiana star Paul George about becoming a Laker. The NRL need to follow a similar path if they want to protect the integrity of their competition.

:sign: :sign:
It is different for Coaches, there are NOTHING to stop clubs approaching another Coach while hes contracted to another one
Yes that was the whole point of the article...this place needs a facepalm emote just for responding to you.
Sorry o exalted One, if I’m not up to your high standards, but you’re the one going on about the NRL having to intervene, , They Can’t as no rules have been broken, , so why go on about them having to step in???
How am I the one "going on about the NRL having to intervene" when I've not written a single word on the topic? See this is why a facepalm is needed...

If they had the balls and the inclination they could probably look into whether a general breach like bringing the game into disrepute by engaging in tortious conduct had taken place but I doubt they have either.

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Post by Spud Murphy » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 4:03 pm

underdog wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:09 pm
The NRL would be loving the controversy as it puts more eyes on the game - and this time it's not a player doing something stupid - and wouldn't dare try to defy Gus Gould.... They are gutless hacks.

Knowing the NRL - they'd make the Tigers "Show Cause" as to why they should keep him on books, and strip us of points for some random reason.
Yes they'd treat us like they treat rape victims in Pakistan. Such justice :x

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Post by trafford10 » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 4:07 pm

oh my god, they are grown men, not little children that need to told how to act and what to do. What is wrong with offering someone a job?
If Ivan wants out of his contract with WT he can surely negotiate that, why on earth would you want a head coach who doesn't want to be there!

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Post by goldcoast tiger » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 5:47 pm

Nelson wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 3:23 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 1:09 pm
Nelson wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:34 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Wed 08 Aug, 2018 12:14 pm


It is different for Coaches, there are NOTHING to stop clubs approaching another Coach while hes contracted to another one
Yes that was the whole point of the article...this place needs a facepalm emote just for responding to you.
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Sorry o exalted One, if I’m not up to your high standards, but you’re the one going on about the NRL having to intervene, , They Can’t as no rules have been broken, , so why go on about them having to step in???
How am I the one "going on about the NRL having to intervene" when I've not written a single word on the topic? See this is why a facepalm is needed...

If they had the balls and the inclination they could probably look into whether a general breach like bringing the game into disrepute by engaging in tortious conduct had taken place but I doubt they have either.
My most humble apologies., dear Sir :oops:

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