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Re: Luke Brooks

Post by TheDaBoss » Sun 09 Dec, 2018 9:56 am

he needs to be promoted :)
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Post by Pawsandclaws » Sun 09 Dec, 2018 10:07 am

Telltails wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 1:56 am
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sat 08 Dec, 2018 5:50 pm
Telltails wrote:
Sat 08 Dec, 2018 5:05 pm
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sat 08 Dec, 2018 2:27 pm

As could Seibold and Cleary and many many others, including clubs. Very sad modern reality that loyalty and your word mean very little.
Yes and lets see how important loyalty is to fans next year if Luke doesnt perform - can guarantee he wont be feeling the love for being loyal then.
Lack of percieved loyalty is an excuse to bag players when its convenient - but dont see loyalty figuring in fans mindset when your team is losing.
How will we ever lure a player from another club if they all remained loyal??
We offered Luke a good deal, he accepted good for him and good for us.
How long the warm and fuzzys last depends on how well he plays.
Well that’s true but I loved footy the best when the nucleus of you team was the same for a long time. I supported Balmain and our team in the late 80s we’re together for ages. Same with Canberra, Canterbury, parramatta as I remember. Nowadays you boo a bloke one week and next week he’s in your side. It’s called tribalism and rugby league was built on it. I know it’s a modern game etc etc but think we a poorer for it. (When the thought was Bennett was coming I was thinking: how can I support Darius Boyd?) I value and respect players like Lawrence, Nofa, Farah, Marshall and Brooks. I also respect club men from other clubs. But that’s just me.
Regarding bagging Brooks next year - yeah many will do it (regardless if his form) but I won’t.
Dont disagree with you Steve. Followed Balmain too during that era when players came up through the juniors many as local boys, and never left. And thats the way I liked it.
Just a different game now, and to be successful it seems to be more about recruiting and retaining well - and often from outside your club. Loyalty is admirable for sure, but it wont necessarily make us successful. Glad Brooks extended, but if we are to find some success its his form that will ultimately be the key, rather than his loyalty, and the clubs ability to attract some quality players to support him.
We're on the right path with the recruiting we've done at the junior level this year. We need to make this an ongoing programme because we have always brought through juniors well.

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Post by jirskyr » Sun 09 Dec, 2018 11:54 am

Telltails wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 1:56 am
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sat 08 Dec, 2018 5:50 pm
Telltails wrote:
Sat 08 Dec, 2018 5:05 pm
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sat 08 Dec, 2018 2:27 pm

As could Seibold and Cleary and many many others, including clubs. Very sad modern reality that loyalty and your word mean very little.
Yes and lets see how important loyalty is to fans next year if Luke doesnt perform - can guarantee he wont be feeling the love for being loyal then.
Lack of percieved loyalty is an excuse to bag players when its convenient - but dont see loyalty figuring in fans mindset when your team is losing.
How will we ever lure a player from another club if they all remained loyal??
We offered Luke a good deal, he accepted good for him and good for us.
How long the warm and fuzzys last depends on how well he plays.
Well that’s true but I loved footy the best when the nucleus of you team was the same for a long time. I supported Balmain and our team in the late 80s we’re together for ages. Same with Canberra, Canterbury, parramatta as I remember. Nowadays you boo a bloke one week and next week he’s in your side. It’s called tribalism and rugby league was built on it. I know it’s a modern game etc etc but think we a poorer for it. (When the thought was Bennett was coming I was thinking: how can I support Darius Boyd?) I value and respect players like Lawrence, Nofa, Farah, Marshall and Brooks. I also respect club men from other clubs. But that’s just me.
Regarding bagging Brooks next year - yeah many will do it (regardless if his form) but I won’t.
Dont disagree with you Steve. Followed Balmain too during that era when players came up through the juniors many as local boys, and never left. And thats the way I liked it.
Just a different game now, and to be successful it seems to be more about recruiting and retaining well - and often from outside your club. Loyalty is admirable for sure, but it wont necessarily make us successful. Glad Brooks extended, but if we are to find some success its his form that will ultimately be the key, rather than his loyalty, and the clubs ability to attract some quality players to support him.
It's an interesting one, because I assume everyone prefers true tribalism and therefore one-club legends.

But if you look over to European soccer, the idea of a long-term player hardly exists, because they are shopped the minute they no longer fulfill their role. And given the very great depth of football globally, there are ALWAYS suitors for different types, styles and ages of professional footballers.

And yet soccer fans are certainly passionate and tribal. So how do they achieve that? It appears to me that there is a doubling-down on the jersey and club rather than the player. The player is basically an employee assigned to help achieve success, but it's the jersey that counts.

Perhaps NRL is in a transition phase between this old-school 80s tribalism and modern professionalism. It's certainly true of the professional elements for players, who are only just now getting full insurance, protection for head injury, higher pay vs TV deals, full-time training and injury management etc. Players in the 80s didn't have anything like this.

And unfortunately as professional standards and supports develop for professional sportspersons, so does the "interchangeability" of players.

And of course salary cap has a lot to do with it as well, and we all agree that you can't remove the salary cap and still expect any kind of even playing field.

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Post by Balmainian » Sun 09 Dec, 2018 12:07 pm

Tiger Steve wrote:
Sat 08 Dec, 2018 11:09 pm
I just read on news.com halfback rankings for 2018. M.Moses came in 12th with the added baggage that he was shopped around and no club wanted him. Article says eels don’t want to renew his contract when it expires.
Meanwhile Brooks signs a multimillion 5 year deal and is developing into a well respected club hero.
As many have said - karma’s a b****!
Who was behind Moses?

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Post by Balmainian » Sun 09 Dec, 2018 12:09 pm

jirskyr wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 11:54 am
Telltails wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 1:56 am
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sat 08 Dec, 2018 5:50 pm
Telltails wrote:
Sat 08 Dec, 2018 5:05 pm


Yes and lets see how important loyalty is to fans next year if Luke doesnt perform - can guarantee he wont be feeling the love for being loyal then.
Lack of percieved loyalty is an excuse to bag players when its convenient - but dont see loyalty figuring in fans mindset when your team is losing.
How will we ever lure a player from another club if they all remained loyal??
We offered Luke a good deal, he accepted good for him and good for us.
How long the warm and fuzzys last depends on how well he plays.
Well that’s true but I loved footy the best when the nucleus of you team was the same for a long time. I supported Balmain and our team in the late 80s we’re together for ages. Same with Canberra, Canterbury, parramatta as I remember. Nowadays you boo a bloke one week and next week he’s in your side. It’s called tribalism and rugby league was built on it. I know it’s a modern game etc etc but think we a poorer for it. (When the thought was Bennett was coming I was thinking: how can I support Darius Boyd?) I value and respect players like Lawrence, Nofa, Farah, Marshall and Brooks. I also respect club men from other clubs. But that’s just me.
Regarding bagging Brooks next year - yeah many will do it (regardless if his form) but I won’t.
Dont disagree with you Steve. Followed Balmain too during that era when players came up through the juniors many as local boys, and never left. And thats the way I liked it.
Just a different game now, and to be successful it seems to be more about recruiting and retaining well - and often from outside your club. Loyalty is admirable for sure, but it wont necessarily make us successful. Glad Brooks extended, but if we are to find some success its his form that will ultimately be the key, rather than his loyalty, and the clubs ability to attract some quality players to support him.
It's an interesting one, because I assume everyone prefers true tribalism and therefore one-club legends.

But if you look over to European soccer, the idea of a long-term player hardly exists, because they are shopped the minute they no longer fulfill their role. And given the very great depth of football globally, there are ALWAYS suitors for different types, styles and ages of professional footballers.

And yet soccer fans are certainly passionate and tribal. So how do they achieve that? It appears to me that there is a doubling-down on the jersey and club rather than the player. The player is basically an employee assigned to help achieve success, but it's the jersey that counts.

Perhaps NRL is in a transition phase between this old-school 80s tribalism and modern professionalism. It's certainly true of the professional elements for players, who are only just now getting full insurance, protection for head injury, higher pay vs TV deals, full-time training and injury management etc. Players in the 80s didn't have anything like this.

And unfortunately as professional standards and supports develop for professional sportspersons, so does the "interchangeability" of players.

And of course salary cap has a lot to do with it as well, and we all agree that you can't remove the salary cap and still expect any kind of even playing field.


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Post by Pawsandclaws » Sun 09 Dec, 2018 12:18 pm

Balmainian wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 12:07 pm
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sat 08 Dec, 2018 11:09 pm
I just read on news.com halfback rankings for 2018. M.Moses came in 12th with the added baggage that he was shopped around and no club wanted him. Article says eels don’t want to renew his contract when it expires.
Meanwhile Brooks signs a multimillion 5 year deal and is developing into a well respected club hero.
As many have said - karma’s a b****!
Who was behind Moses?
How were the rankings determined? Skills, popularity or who swears at their team mates when they make a mistake? The hatred for Moses is a bit over the top because skill wise he has them. Sure he needs to improve his defence but most of the changes surround his psychological make up. It sounds increasingly like a role for the horse whisperer!

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Post by Tiger Steve » Sun 09 Dec, 2018 12:20 pm

Balmainian wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 12:07 pm
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sat 08 Dec, 2018 11:09 pm
I just read on news.com halfback rankings for 2018. M.Moses came in 12th with the added baggage that he was shopped around and no club wanted him. Article says eels don’t want to renew his contract when it expires.
Meanwhile Brooks signs a multimillion 5 year deal and is developing into a well respected club hero.
As many have said - karma’s a b****!
Who was behind Moses?
Canberra, warriors, Melbourne.
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Post by Balmainian » Sun 09 Dec, 2018 2:06 pm

Tiger Steve wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 12:20 pm
Balmainian wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 12:07 pm
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sat 08 Dec, 2018 11:09 pm
I just read on news.com halfback rankings for 2018. M.Moses came in 12th with the added baggage that he was shopped around and no club wanted him. Article says eels don’t want to renew his contract when it expires.
Meanwhile Brooks signs a multimillion 5 year deal and is developing into a well respected club hero.
As many have said - karma’s a b****!
Who was behind Moses?
Canberra, warriors, Melbourne.
Shaun Johnson ranked in the bottom 3?

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Post by Tigerdon » Sun 09 Dec, 2018 7:27 pm

Balmainian wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 2:06 pm
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 12:20 pm
Balmainian wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 12:07 pm
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sat 08 Dec, 2018 11:09 pm
I just read on news.com halfback rankings for 2018. M.Moses came in 12th with the added baggage that he was shopped around and no club wanted him. Article says eels don’t want to renew his contract when it expires.
Meanwhile Brooks signs a multimillion 5 year deal and is developing into a well respected club hero.
As many have said - karma’s a b****!
Who was behind Moses?
Canberra, warriors, Melbourne.
Shaun Johnson ranked in the bottom 3?
Any link to the article?
it would be interesting to see how the top halves are ranked
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Post by GNR4LIFE » Sun 09 Dec, 2018 7:38 pm

I look forward to reading Moses next contract being a 5 year deal worth nearly 3 million dollars.

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Post by Balmainian » Sun 09 Dec, 2018 9:52 pm

Tigerdon wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 7:27 pm
Balmainian wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 2:06 pm
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 12:20 pm
Balmainian wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 12:07 pm


Who was behind Moses?
Canberra, warriors, Melbourne.
Shaun Johnson ranked in the bottom 3?
Any link to the article?
it would be interesting to see how the top halves are ranked
I had a look but couldn’t find it, hard to believe the warriors halves would be less ranked than the Eels.

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Post by Tiger Steve » Sun 09 Dec, 2018 10:02 pm

Balmainian wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 9:52 pm
Tigerdon wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 7:27 pm
Balmainian wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 2:06 pm
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 12:20 pm

Canberra, warriors, Melbourne.
Shaun Johnson ranked in the bottom 3?
Any link to the article?
it would be interesting to see how the top halves are ranked
I had a look but couldn’t find it, hard to believe the warriors halves would be less ranked than the Eels.
Apologies - it was 5th tackle.com and the rating is for 2019 halves. I don’t know how to post from the Facebook link
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Post by happy tiger » Mon 10 Dec, 2018 12:29 am

Pawsandclaws wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 12:18 pm
Balmainian wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 12:07 pm
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sat 08 Dec, 2018 11:09 pm
I just read on news.com halfback rankings for 2018. M.Moses came in 12th with the added baggage that he was shopped around and no club wanted him. Article says eels don’t want to renew his contract when it expires.
Meanwhile Brooks signs a multimillion 5 year deal and is developing into a well respected club hero.
As many have said - karma’s a b****!
Who was behind Moses?
How were the rankings determined? Skills, popularity or who swears at their team mates when they make a mistake? The hatred for Moses is a bit over the top because skill wise he has them. Sure he needs to improve his defence but most of the changes surround his psychological make up. It sounds increasingly like a role for the horse whisperer!
He has a horse whisperer

Unfortunately Mitch doesn't talk horse it appears

He is probably isn't too far from earning a award , not sure if the games most overrated player was the one he was hoping for though

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Post by Byron Bay Fan » Mon 10 Dec, 2018 7:14 am

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 7:38 pm
I look forward to reading Moses next contract being a 5 year deal worth nearly 3 million dollars.
It's happened, he has signed with Victoria's Secret - they are putting out a new line especially designed for him.
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Post by NT Tiger » Mon 10 Dec, 2018 7:16 am

Byron Bay Fan wrote:
Mon 10 Dec, 2018 7:14 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 7:38 pm
I look forward to reading Moses next contract being a 5 year deal worth nearly 3 million dollars.
It's happened, he has signed with Victoria's Secret - they are putting out a new line especially designed for him.
What, all twisted up?
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Post by Byron Bay Fan » Tue 11 Dec, 2018 8:52 am

NT Tiger wrote:
Mon 10 Dec, 2018 7:16 am
Byron Bay Fan wrote:
Mon 10 Dec, 2018 7:14 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sun 09 Dec, 2018 7:38 pm
I look forward to reading Moses next contract being a 5 year deal worth nearly 3 million dollars.
It's happened, he has signed with Victoria's Secret - they are putting out a new line especially designed for him.
What, all twisted up?
As they no longer sell bras in Australia he is doing the topless range
Malcolm Knox: What has happened this week is a pity for the Tigers, a pity for Jason Taylor and a pity for Robbie Farah, who had achieved more than the Big Four put together but was somehow turned into collateral damage. (SMH 25-26 March, 2017)

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