On Tim Sheens

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Re: On Tim Sheens

Post by Goose » Thu 25 Aug, 2011 9:45 am

Coaches with worse records than Sheens. 5 year minimum coaching

Elliot
Wayne Pearce
Andrew Farrar
Neil Henry
Ivan Cleary

there would be loads more as well. Clearly not the worse record of any coach in the last 30 years


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Post by gold on black » Thu 25 Aug, 2011 12:57 pm

hmmm the current golden boot winner rates him as the only coach he would play for.
over the years he has developed the tigers into the strongest teams
he made a no name tigers team win a comp
and in the last few years whilst we have had a premiership squad we have made the finals
you dont get the australian gig with no skills

IMO the only other notable coaches are wayne bennett, craig bellamy, des hasler

all the rest are still proving themselves or are still proving that they just dont have it(brian smith)

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Thu 25 Aug, 2011 12:58 pm

Goose wrote:Coaches with worse records than Sheens. 5 year minimum coaching

Elliot
Wayne Pearce
Andrew Farrar
Neil Henry
Ivan Cleary

there would be loads more as well. Clearly not the worse record of any coach in the last 30 years
Cleary has made the finals almost every yr he's coached, including a pre-lim final
since the time Cleary started coaching, Sheens record isn't any better. If anything its worse

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Post by gold on black » Thu 25 Aug, 2011 1:09 pm

Balmain Bug wrote:The Fonz has certainly done some good things. His development of LUI is one that is a stand out.

But he has ruined seasons with his stubborness.
Unfortunately coaches are known for being stubborn and having huge egos in regards to their coaching

this is a major factor that makes a great coach but also has their downfalls - players respect coaches who have confidence in their ability and make tough calls

at the same time these coaches sometimes let their ego get in the way and when something doesnt work they persist as they believe they are right. although when things do work it really works.

in benny elias book he talks about warren ryan to this day still defending his decision to bring blocker and sirro off even though it lost balmain the GF

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Post by Balmain Bug » Thu 25 Aug, 2011 2:01 pm

How did it lose Balmain the Grand Final ? I thought Benny missing a field goal right in front lost Balmain that Grand Final.
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Post by Tiger Watto » Thu 25 Aug, 2011 2:16 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Goose wrote:Coaches with worse records than Sheens. 5 year minimum coaching

Elliot
Wayne Pearce
Andrew Farrar
Neil Henry
Ivan Cleary

there would be loads more as well. Clearly not the worse record of any coach in the last 30 years
Cleary has made the finals almost every yr he's coached, including a pre-lim final
since the time Cleary started coaching, Sheens record isn't any better. If anything its worse
Cleary only has a 50% win record out of 148 games...
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Post by Goose » Thu 25 Aug, 2011 2:31 pm

I was going purely on win/loss ratio and went for coaches with reasonable reputations as coaches and compared to Tim

I blame Warren Ryan as well for the loss, taking off 2 of the best forwards in the world to put on defensive specialists Pobji and Hardwick was an example of warren ryan having to pull a coaching master stroke, too clever for his own good.

Billy penalising Bruce McGuire for using an offside canberra player as a Shepard didn't help either

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Post by Snowy » Thu 25 Aug, 2011 2:48 pm

Balmain Bug wrote:How did it lose Balmain the Grand Final ? I thought Benny missing a field goal right in front lost Balmain that Grand Final.
Are you serious Bug? Benny played in the side and the side lost. How could you blame poor old Benny, many things happened in that game that contributed to the loss.
Maybe Sheens from the side line put Benny off his shot at goal? Just a thought lol!

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Post by Tigermac » Thu 25 Aug, 2011 3:12 pm

Balmain Bug wrote:How did it lose Balmain the Grand Final ? I thought Benny missing a field goal right in front lost Balmain that Grand Final.
or Junior Pearce dropping the ball with 3 unmarked men outside him :( :( :(

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Post by innsaneink » Thu 25 Aug, 2011 4:11 pm

Tigermac wrote:
Balmain Bug wrote:How did it lose Balmain the Grand Final ? I thought Benny missing a field goal right in front lost Balmain that Grand Final.
or Junior Pearce dropping the ball with 3 unmarked men outside him :( :( :(

I actually saw this game again not too long ago and only just noticed in this incident, and i dont think Ive ever seen it mentioned - Jnr had the low setting sun directly in his face, it was a highish ball....not easy by any means.

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Post by bigsiro » Thu 25 Aug, 2011 4:50 pm

re: 1989.... Ginger Meggs tripping en route to the tryline....ARGH!!!!

Back onto Sheens. I also think he has been stubborn at times (e.g. Fitzy, Morris, Lui).

BUT! Jack Gibson persisted with some numpties and so has Bennett over the years. Sometimes it works and if the team was based on this forum then we would get the spoon every year.

Phil Jackson, Arsene Wenger, Kevin Sheedy - all great coaches but all can be criticized.

Warren Ryan was good but I agree with the earlier post, he lost us the GF by taking the best Australian forwards out of the game.

Sheens is not perfect, but come one all you critics - on reputation and fear factor, next to Bennett he is probably the best out there. On attacking tactics he is the best. On defense...let's not go there.

His philosophy in 2005 was brilliant but seriously unconventional:- We are going to score a lot of points so in order to win you need to score more than us. Whatever....It worked! He gave us a grand final victory with an average team. A victory most us had never witnessed.
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Post by pdenny » Thu 25 Aug, 2011 4:57 pm

bigsiro wrote:re: 1989.... Ginger Meggs tripping en route to the tryline....ARGH!!!!

Back onto Sheens. I also think he has been stubborn at times (e.g. Fitzy, Morris, Lui).

BUT! Jack Gibson persisted with some numpties and so has Bennett over the years. Sometimes it works and if the team was based on this forum then we would get the spoon every year.

Phil Jackson, Arsene Wenger, Kevin Sheedy - all great coaches but all can be criticized.

Warren Ryan was good but I agree with the earlier post, he lost us the GF by taking the best Australian forwards out of the game.

Sheens is not perfect, but come one all you critics - on reputation and fear factor, next to Bennett he is probably the best out there. On attacking tactics he is the best. On defense...let's not go there.

His philosophy in 2005 was brilliant but seriously unconventional:- We are going to score a lot of points so in order to win you need to score more than us. Whatever....It worked! He gave us a grand final victory with an average team. A victory most us had never witnessed.
Well said. I for one am happy to have been there to witness it. If that's all he gives us, I am still thankful!

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Post by Gary Bakerloo » Thu 25 Aug, 2011 5:11 pm

innsaneink wrote: I actually saw this game again not too long ago and only just noticed in this incident, and i dont think Ive ever seen it mentioned - Jnr had the low setting sun directly in his face, it was a highish ball....not easy by any means.
I have watched the game as well on Fox in full after not seeing it for many years. My initial memory was of a great game whereby Canberra comes from nowhere to win. However, when watching the match again through more astute eyes, Balmain was lucky the game went to extra time. Canberra dominated Balmain and not for an intercept and an unlucky bounce, should have won by more.

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Post by tiger4ever » Thu 25 Aug, 2011 5:41 pm

Gary Bakerloo wrote:
innsaneink wrote: I actually saw this game again not too long ago and only just noticed in this incident, and i dont think Ive ever seen it mentioned - Jnr had the low setting sun directly in his face, it was a highish ball....not easy by any means.
I have watched the game as well on Fox in full after not seeing it for many years. My initial memory was of a great game whereby Canberra comes from nowhere to win. However, when watching the match again through more astute eyes, Balmain was lucky the game went to extra time. Canberra dominated Balmain and not for an intercept and an unlucky bounce, should have won by more.
Well your the only one i have ever heard that from.It was a game BALMAIN should have won but atleast it was recent enough for people to remember it.

Pearce dropped a fair bit of ball after he had that bad eye injury i think in 85.
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Post by Gary Bakerloo » Thu 25 Aug, 2011 5:59 pm

I used to share the thought that BALMAIN should have won, but when watching the replay again after all these years, they were extremely lucky to be up 14-2. Roach has admitted so much in the attitude of the players at half time. Perhaps if a few more fans and players brought themselves to watch the game again, they would realise their luck in the match and feel content they got as far as they did.

If anything, BALMAIN should feel more distraught about the 1988 grand final. They were the better side with hanley and remained competitive after he left the field.

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Post by willow » Thu 25 Aug, 2011 6:32 pm

One last chance for people to stay on topic or this thread closes.

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Post by cunno » Thu 25 Aug, 2011 8:07 pm

It will be interesting to see the tact Sheens has the team taking in the lead up to the semis and whether this changes or remains the same in the first game. Obviously opponents will have a bearing but in the main the team has to work on its own game more. For example, against the titans and sharks, games we are expected to win, will the emphasis be on scoring points all out or will the team play the early stages like a semi then put the peddle to the metal from there? Monday night should be interesting.

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Post by happy tiger » Thu 25 Aug, 2011 8:10 pm

cunno wrote:It will be interesting to see the tact Sheens has the team taking in the lead up to the semis and whether this changes or remains the same in the first game. Obviously opponents will have a bearing but in the main the team has to work on its own game more. For example, against the titans and sharks, games we are expected to win, will the emphasis be on scoring points all out or will the team play the early stages like a semi then put the peddle to the metal from there? Monday night should be interesting.
The biggest mistake we could make Cunno is get away from the game plan which has won our last 6 games
If we play like we did against Manly and Saints we should win and win well
I think Cowboys will probably beat Sharks but it will be under 12 points

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