These guys could play out of their skin and it wouldnt matter. In reserve grade they stay.
Yeah thats what Simpkin, BJ and AJ say…oh hang on.
Ignore it if you like but guys like madden, Tuki, Cini etc beg to differ.
We have some real talent in reserves but we are back at the Sheens days where only 2/3rds of the squad are considered 'good enough.
Guys in first would have to sleep with the coaches wife to be dropped.
Madden isnt better than Brooks, Cini cant tackle. Tuki its a matter of time.
Madden will end up proving he can control a game and lead a team around better than Brooks.
He might “end up” proving that. When he does, he can replace Brooks. We are not there yet.
Cini can tackle and has a real knack of making the right decision. He seems more clutch than most of our backs.
Ive seen his games this year and his defence isnt good. He may not be far off, simply because our outside backs are so bad, but the fact is, he is not there yet.
Tuki doesnt need time he needs an opportunity. One he isnt getting while the coach tries to appease the current playing squad. Most of whom are letting him down. (suspension obviously lets the coach of the hook this week)
Tuki will get there, he is VERY young and our pack isnt our biggest problem at the moment.
Sorry to break it to you but our pack is a massive problem.
and yet its not our biggest problem. See how it works?
How many players would you suggest it is a good idea to replace in a week and yet maintain some cohesion?
The banter had been fun but discussing accountability with a fan like you is poitnless
How can you say Cini is up to first grade defensively , considering he will be in the defensive line , and not at the back ? Have you watched him ? So much arm grabbing . His attack is strong , and yardage work is of high quality , but if you think we are bleeding points low , this kid is not the answer … yet . Madden is nowhere near as good as brooks , you just want to replace brooks because you’re sick of him , it has nothing to do with his quality or lack there of . And Tuki is 19 currently playing his first season of elite Rugby league . He has a great offload , is strong in his carries , but can be exposed in the defensive line mainly due to his lack of experience . Also his keenness to get rid of the ball can lead to errors , which is also about experience . That kid has been identified as the future of our club along with Blore Simpkins , Uto and Laurie . So relax with “give him a run” rubbish. Once he is deemed at enough of. Level he will come up , and never go down . You have to puck the right time , because if he comes up too soon , the damage it would do to him psychologically could be immense . Have a look at brooks for evidence of that .
Happy for you to go on record with Cini. I’ll back him to prove you wrong soon enough
Cini’s defence is the reason why he won’t get a run in FG.
Defence is attitude. He will turn it around as he has the right attitude to improve his game
At start of this year I didn’t rate him.
But Currently what I see is “potential”.
He definitely has something. Yes needs someone to work with him in offseason on his defence.
But just get the feeling that over the years of watching lower grade footballers at start of their careers … that we would regret if we let him go too early.
Exactly. We’ve been here before and always regret these early assumptions.
Let the guy develope.
That’s what CC cup is for ! LITERALLY!!!
It’s also the place we as fans make calls on players like JAC and Papi and call them not up to it
i said at the start of the year, by mid year the spine will be Simpkin @9 , Brooks @7 , Madden @6 , Douehie @ centre, Kei @ centre and Laurie @ fb , still think i’m on the money.
I think AD is the 6 for the foreseeable future mate . I can’t see madden getting a run .
He’s doing a good job Strongee, but when i look at the top 4, speed is king in these positions. The players mentioned all have attacking ability, good hands, kicking games and very similar to what Penrith have, with the time to develope together we could have the same spine!
Yea we definitely have the quality , and way more potential in 1, and 9 than the panthers . They’re just further along .
I actually think AD could be a ball playing lock instead of Hastings , like Fittler and Clyde in the 90a . I know everyone is going to hammer me for that . I think JTJ would be less aggressive if madden was standing to his left all game , as he will give early ball.
Maybe Hastings as well . Maybe madden will supplant Brooks . If he is proven at some point to surpass brooks , then put him in .
I think AD ball skills are wasted at centre , and his running game negated , always running at speedy backs rather than coming in , against tired forwards and smaller halves .
He would go great there in attack, but I think it would be asking for him to do too much in defence. He’s looked very comfortable at 6 so far, give him more time there and allow the spine to build some combinations.
Yep I agree , I was just thinking of a way to bring madden in , and maintain the qualities that make Adam so good.
It was a very willing game and the big right centre Mosese Suli had an outstanding game with his strong running and quick play the balls. It was off his runs that the Tigers were able to make significant ground. The big half, Adam Doueihi, repeatedly rolled the ball into the Shark’s in goal for repeat sets. This is a real skill. He has a huge boot and everytime he put the ball up, the Shark’s fullback had no idea. He also provided a tremendous pass for a try. I’d say at six feet two or three he may be a good lock forward. Certainly his ability to wrap up the Shark’s ball runners in ball and all tackles was a real feature of his play.
Know it was a while ago but do you still have any recollection of the game Paws?
Funny going back to read some of these old threads/posts… there’s a few familiar names.
The Sharks were a formidable team, leading the comp. Most were Kiwis, Tongan or of Samoan ancestry.
Yes Doueihi played half and was outstanding. His huge kicking game was a gamechanger and ability to roll the ball into the in goal was beyond his age group. I still believe he is our ball playing lock we have been looking for in the Paul Langmack style. A strong kicking game, passing, skill, mobility and size.
Seyfarth played second row and I believed him to be a future NRL player. He had the workrate, mobility and no matter how tough it got, he was in there hitting hard.
Suli was lean and very damaging constantly setting up his winger. It is a shame he hasn’t reached his potential.
Papenhuyzen was injured that game but he was always going to be a star. Why couldn’t our scouts see it?
Cheers for that.
Notice a few people on here show great interest in supporting our juniors and I for one especially appreciate the effort in the junior rep thread. It’s usually the first thread I visit on the weekend and I enjoy reading all coverage and reports on our players and teams.
I must admit I didn’t know about Adam(being one of our juniors) until the world cup, in which he played for Lebanon. Over the years there’s been several forumers who have often praised the skill of certain juniors and not to rub salt in the wound, but they’ve all said the same thing that you have.
One thing I will say is if the amount of talent is at least of half of what it was in years gone, it looks very hopeful for the club’s future - seeing as our pathway programs are going strong.
Again thanks for that, as it’s always great to hear others share their stories.
Lauren, thanks for replying. One of my great joys is watching our youngsters play and supporting them. Mixed emotions when you see Papenuyzen doing so well. Watch out for Lachlan Ilias at Souths. I think once he gets his chance he will be special.
Any of our outside backs play well? Nofoaluma deserves a very long tenure in NSW Cup. What a shocking display of ineptitude and later arrogance.
Sadly no. Cini is the outside back with any chance of promotion. He’s been elusive and dangerous. Hoffman and Cooper are big and slow, Kepaoa needs a lot of work, Fitz too. Kei hasn’t played for a while but he’s supposed to be a Nof clone.
Flegg has the talent and that’s why I’ve been calling for plodderse in NSW Cup to be cut to make room for players who can genuinely
Think cini can do a job on the wing?
Yeah. You don’t know until you try. I don’t think he’ll be any worse than Kepaoa, Talau or Nof, put it that way. He’s likely not the long term answer but he’s about the only back we have in the top two grades that’s in good form so can’t hurt to give him a go after the souths game.
Hopefully gebbie plays fullback this week for NSW Cup so Cini can get a run on the wing first.
Remember how easy it is to pad your stats when the opponents kick to you from all re-starts and drop outs. He makes 15m each time and took half a dozen re-starts. That’s 90m right there. The other prop could have made similar stats if they kicked to his side, but they didn’t. That doesn’t make the other prop worse than Amone (or whomever it is each time). You need to compare hit up metres to kick return metres
With our props I’ll give them anything they can use and still be happy with 100
Just finished watching this game. Simpkins is ready, the kid is an absolute handful, his offloads were effortless and he was making post contact meters at will. Give him 25 minutes on the left edge and tell Lucy to go all out for 55.
Aside from that, BJ can stay in ressies, his effort was below average, the youngsters were showing him how its done, same goes for packer.
Fitzgibbon needs to engage more, he needs to go looking for the ball just like Cini did.
Madden is a tough little SOB and he digs into the line like all good halfbacks, but his game lacks some polish.
Simpkin would also not look out of place in FG, he’s a true hooker but his service is not as good as some make it out to be.
Tuilagi is a no frills type player, he will also crack grade at some stage and won’t let anyone down.
None of the outside backs are banging the door down to FG but Cini could do a job on the wing if needed and Hoffman was comfortable without being spectacular.
Can someone please tell me why we are watching the bombs come down (both at NRL and KOE levels) instead of competing for the ball? I don’t care if players are out of position or not. Catch the ball on the full and compete unless it’s right near the sideline where you can push the opposition out.
All this training with the NRL squad etc and we don’t seem to even know the basics.
I can only assume our confidence is at all time low but I would rather see someone go for the ball and drop it rather than leave it and let them score anyway.
If I see our JF boys do this I will be ropeable. Surely it’s not a club directive?
Hoffman is not a winger. Doesn’t have any instincts for the position. I’m sure he’s been trained to contest the ball but yet he was standing with both feet on the ground while an opponent jumped, caught the ball and scored. Not good enough. Play the kid at centre and bring up Scolari if we need to.
Yeah I’m not entirely sure why they keep persisting with that, agree with your recommendation. Anyone know what the go is with Josh Rizk?
Id suggest its because we are suddenly skinny on wingers in firsts with AJ sketchy and Madge using TT in the centres.
So much for V’landys comments about making sure Saturday and Sunday nrl games would have jersey flegg and nsw cups before them. He was boasting in multiple articles at the end of January how it would be the return of three grades on game day yet there are only 16 nrl games with all three grades across the entire competition all season.
Are you talking about before Wests Tigers games…?
Because I just went through the 1st 8 weeks of the draw and every Saturday and Sunday game has State Cup before NRL depending who is scheduled …that’s 16 State Cup games right there…prior to NRL
Flegg only has 10 teams playing in total so a lot of BYE’S for example Canberra don’t have a Flegg team and Wests Tigers have a BYE 1st up…Raiders v Wests is the curtain raiser down there
I’m sure if the schedules match there will be 3 games eg Round 2 Flegg v Roosters 11:45 Wests v Norths 1:40 Wests Tigers V Roosters 4:05pm
I’m talking about all 3 grades playing, flegg then nsw cup then nrl. Only happens 16 times all season across the competition. Round 2 has wests tigers Flegg playing at TG Millner instead of it being a curtain raiser. Only making a point of it because v’landy’s is quoted as saying that he would do “whatever it takes” to make it happen and “anyone who got in his way would be run over.” This was as a result of the nrl fan poll where 96% of fans voted in preference of this. Those quotes were used in multiple articles from multiple news outlets on February 1st this year.
Posted in the Manly trial thread but will re-post here for those not trawling through a large topic:
In Flegg the number 4 Iverson Fautimau looked great. A real handful and made a few great breaks. If he had have passed it to support players we would have been in under the posts a couple of times.
A solid attacking performance by the Flegg boys. The pack dominated and the backs finished things off. A number of handling errors, to be expected with a bit of rust. Also a bit of lack of cohesion, again expected when a number of players hadn’t played for a long time.
Dillon looked very solid. The wingers played well. Halves were ok. Rizk only played the final 20 which was interesting. Not really any standouts in the pack. Israel Ogden sure has some size to him too, was mostly playing centre but maybe a bit of wing/fullback at times too.
In NSW Cup we looked awful in the first half. Gave Blacktown about 75% possession. The train and trial boys really struggled. Kiah Cooper was invisible, Eden Rogers Smith made a number of mistakes. Tyrone Roberts Davis was also poor. Fitzgibbon looked solid. Did get beaten by Simona once, though also made a great bust up the middle only for Docker Clay to drop a catchable pass when he would have gone in under the posts. Also chased down a grubber in the in goal and threw it over his head for a try, only to be penalised for being an inch offside.
EJ Lui was very good in the pack, Dias was solid and there were a couple of rangas out there that did well too. Young Tyler field was filling in for Madden and did well, kicked a 40/20. Rodwell was solid and crashed over next to the posts. Docker Clay was a bit all over the place, a few poor passes from hooker, and then at 5/8 also made a few errors. Didn’t see Kei too much. Blacktown largely scored off our mistakes, can’t keep dropping the ball 20m out, or throwing intercepts.
When the fringe NRL players drop down we’ll be very strong in all three grades. Especially with a number of SG ball players pushing for promotion, there may be a few promotions across the grades throughout the year.
An issue for all three grades was the repeat sets. We got pinged a lot in all matches. Against better team’s they’ll make you pay
Thanks for the review BB. Tyler Field to me is a real talent. We’re lucky to have both he and Madden.