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Always sit back and let the initial story evolve and change, the truth eventually finds a way and I’m not sure we’ve seen it yet
Very sad situation for all involved and sad also that it’s now being utilised to turn truth seekers into conspiracy theorists into domestic terrorists
Problem, Reaction, Solution
The solution as always will be more control
 
How shall we organise our health system so it can be sustainable and provide quality care at a lower cost? Impossible! The usual "agenda mob" would cry, but voila and look at Singapore
But our "politicians" argue who painted the clouds better and whose unicorn flies higher 😡 ,
while one of the answers is just eight hours away on a plane, and they are an even smaller country, so no economy-of-scale smoke/mirrors, please!
 
How shall we organise our school system so it provides first-class education at a lower cost?
Exhibit A for the people: Michaela, a school run by exemplary and inspirational Katherine
Birbalsingh 💪

 
NO those officers died because 3 people on ICE believed the nonsense from Youtube videos, including nonsense from Joe Rogan. (Joe can have his good moments, he also says a lot of crap).

2 police officers died doing a welfare check. They were ambushed because people were fed Internet Junk and believed the nonsense.
Is that what happened?
Have you informed the investigators?
 
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's impossible to underestimate how low the left can go. In a week where it was thought they could not sink any lower. Nothing quiet like the unhinged left cherry picking peoples death to score political points on an internet forum. Detestable.
This is how Gareth Train described himself, he is a far-right extremist.

“If you are a conservative, anti-vaxx, freedom lover, protester, common law, conspiracy talker, alternative news, independent critical thinker, truther, Christian, patriot etc etc expect a visit from these hammers,” he said in one post, referring to the Queensland Special Emergency Response Team.

 
This is how Gareth Train described himself, he is a far-right extremist.

“If you are a conservative, anti-vaxx, freedom lover, protester, common law, conspiracy talker, alternative news, independent critical thinker, truther, Christian, patriot etc etc expect a visit from these hammers,” he said in one post, referring to the Queensland Special Emergency Response Team.


That would still make him left wing with a few of the people on here.It is all comparative to their viewpoint.
 
This is how Gareth Train described himself, he is a far-right extremist.

“If you are a conservative, anti-vaxx, freedom lover, protester, common law, conspiracy talker, alternative news, independent critical thinker, truther, Christian, patriot etc etc expect a visit from these hammers,” he said in one post, referring to the Queensland Special Emergency Response Team.


How many people on this thread have sprouted the same nonsense.

A threat to our way of life.
 

Wieambilla killings a chilling reminder of far-right threat in Australia​

Matthew Knott

By Matthew Knott

December 14, 2022 — 7.30pm





As bombs rain down on Ukraine, Iranian police beat human rights protesters to death and mass shootings occur with tragic regularity in the United States, Australia can seem like a relative safe haven in a frightening and dangerous world.
Just last month, ASIO Director-General Mike Burgess made the commendable decision to return the nation’s terrorism threat level to possible – down from probable – for the first time in eight years.
Rather than overhype the possibility of an attack as a cynical way to secure government funding, Burgess was upfront that the terror risk had reduced from the days when groups such as Islamic State were at their peak.
ASIO director-general Mike Burgess has warned about the risk of anti-government extremist thinking.

ASIO director-general Mike Burgess has warned about the risk of anti-government extremist thinking.Credit:Rhett Wyman
But he stressed that the risk of violent extremism had not been extinguished in Australia.

While the allure of radical Islamic terrorism has declined, Burgess noted there had been an increase in “extremism fuelled by diverse grievances, conspiracy theories and anti-authority ideologies”.

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“Individuals are still fantasising about killing other Australians, still spouting their hateful ideologies in chat rooms, still honing their capabilities by researching bomb-making and training with weapons,” he said.
Only weeks later, Australians learnt the devastating news that two young police officers and a member of the public had been shot dead near Brisbane after police approached a property while investigating a missing person’s case.
It has since been revealed that Gareth Train, the owner of the property, had been an active participant on far-right message boards, espousing a range of paranoid views including that the Port Arthur massacre was a false-flag operation.

“If you are a conservative, anti-vaxx, freedom lover, protester, common law, conspiracy talker, alternative news, independent critical thinker, truther, Christian, patriot etc etc expect a visit from these hammers,” he said in one post, referring to the Queensland Special Emergency Response Team.
Police constables Rachel McCrow and Matthew Arnold were gunned down by a man who held extremist views.

Police constables Rachel McCrow and Matthew Arnold were gunned down by a man who held extremist views.Credit:Queensland Police
Queensland Police are investigating what role, if any, Train’s extremist views played in the killings. At this stage, the federal government does not believe the killings constitute a terrorist attack.
But the tragic events in Wieambilla offer a chilling reminder that far-right extremism remains a serious threat in Australia, even as the angst over lockdowns and other COVID-19 restrictions fade from public attention.
When he released ASIO’s annual threat assessment in February, Burgess warned that some “angry and alienated Australians” could turn to violence after becoming trapped in an echo chamber of misinformation and conspiratorial thinking during their pandemic isolation.

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Lydia Khalil, one of the nation’s leading experts on far-right extremism, notes that while some COVID freedom warriors have moved on, the pandemic experience has had a long-term radicalising effect on others. “For some, it increased the sense of crisis and urgency to act – the sense that ‘we can’t take this anymore’,” she says.
As Khalil notes, it’s too early to definitively say what motivated the Wieambilla killings. But it’s clear innovative strategies are needed to help de-radicalise Australians who fall deep down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole.
In a democracy people are allowed to hold unusual, even whacky, views but when they drift towards violence lives are at stake. The energy and money Australia poured into combating the threat of radical Islam after September 11 needs to be summoned for the emerging threats of today.
 
My contempt for the Australian media making celebrities out of these cowards has hit a new high.
Likewise I'm disgusted with the moderators of this forum that allow people to spew the same foolishness and nonsense that got those two young police who served with honour killed, without permanently banning them.
Moderators you have a chance to in a tiny way do your part to prevent it happening again, but you choose not to.
You are a collective disgrace.
Do your job.
Do your job!
 
The real question is how someone in the household held a license for at least one firearm. Even his father expressed concern about it. Firearms are there for one reason.
 
My contempt for the Australian media making celebrities out of these cowards has hit a new high.
Likewise I'm disgusted with the moderators of this forum that allow people to spew the same foolishness and nonsense that got those two young police who served with honour killed, without permanently banning them.
Moderators you have a chance to in a tiny way do your part to prevent it happening again, but you choose not to.
You are a collective disgrace.
Do your job.
Do your job!
This is a volunteer role on a Wests Tigers forum.

We’re not political fact-checkers.
I’m sure you know how complex and controversial fact-checking roles can be.

We’d need to have two or three people just looking at this one thread to trawl through the garbage here.
If you report things we’ll look through the post reported.

Just because I think a large majority of what gets posted in this thread is ridiculous, doesn’t mean I should spend my entire time moderating this forum watching political YouTube videos and other nonsense.

Again, use the report button.
 
This is a volunteer role on a Wests Tigers forum.

We’re not political fact-checkers.
I’m sure you know how complex and controversial fact-checking roles can be.

We’d need to have two or three people just looking at this one thread to trawl through the garbage here.
If you report things we’ll look through the post reported.

Just because I think a large majority of what gets posted in this thread is ridiculous, doesn’t mean I should spend my entire time moderating this forum watching political YouTube videos and other nonsense.

Again, use the report button.
The moderators do the best they can. Each of us need to moderate what we write especially when it comes to sensitive topics. I feel sick today looking at the photos of those two young officers. What type of humen hurts a young woman?
 
Firstly, what happened is clearly a tragedy, 6 people were needlessly killed in a violent manner
I’m not commenting on the incident itself, more the agendas being pushed in its wake
Two of them were teachers, do we now vilify teachers?
Raised as Christians, how about that group?
At least two were allegedly unvaxxed, there’s one they’d love to go at
Different thinking should always be allowed as should free speech and for example, bodily autonomy
Both are under threat as they have always been but the attacks have ramped up dramatically over the last few years
Emotional events are sadly used to push these control agendas
 
Let me correct that for you:

3 people were needlessly killed.

The other 3 committed pre-meditated murder and chose to go out the way they did.

To answer your absolutely braindead stupid questions:

No, we don't vilify teachers.
No, we don't vilify Christians (pretty weird act for devoted 'Christians' to carry out though, don't you agree?)

Nobody gives a shit about the unvaxxed anymore, their decision to make and there are no restrictions left around this outside of healthcare settings.
 
This is a volunteer role on a Wests Tigers forum.

We’re not political fact-checkers.
I’m sure you know how complex and controversial fact-checking roles can be.

We’d need to have two or three people just looking at this one thread to trawl through the garbage here.
If you report things we’ll look through the post reported.

Just because I think a large majority of what gets posted in this thread is ridiculous, doesn’t mean I should spend my entire time moderating this forum watching political YouTube videos and other nonsense.

Again, use the report button.
What you are saying in effect is too hard can't be bothered.
And yet I'm on here for 5 minutes a day and I can identify dangerous posts that incite conspiracy based violence. It's not a time consuming task, but it is a task that as you say you volunteered for.
If your conscience is comfortable with a not my job not my prob. attitude then that's for you to deal with.
When you have the opportunity to do something but do nothing you contribute to the violent paranoia that the people on here (we all know who they are except you and your colleagues apparently) peddle.
 
What you are saying in effect is too hard can't be bothered.
And yet I'm on here for 5 minutes a day and I can identify dangerous posts that incite conspiracy based violence. It's not a time consuming task, but it is a task that as you say you volunteered for.
If your conscience is comfortable with a not my job not my prob. attitude then that's for you to deal with.
When you have the opportunity to do something but do nothing you contribute to the violent paranoia that the people on here (we all know who they are except you and your colleagues apparently) peddle.
We’ve all deleted posts off this thread numerous times.

Any blatantly racist, homophobic etc. posts are deleted.

If it’s not time-consuming (as you say) and want to volunteer to be the forum’s designated Politics thread fact-checker, by all means, ask Kul.

You’re probably more well-versed in American politics than I am.

Looking forward to it.
 
What you are saying in effect is too hard can't be bothered.
And yet I'm on here for 5 minutes a day and I can identify dangerous posts that incite conspiracy based violence. It's not a time consuming task, but it is a task that as you say you volunteered for.
If your conscience is comfortable with a not my job not my prob. attitude then that's for you to deal with.
When you have the opportunity to do something but do nothing you contribute to the violent paranoia that the people on here (we all know who they are except you and your colleagues apparently) peddle.
Lefty playbook 4

Censor for wrong think, only lefty conspiracy theories are permitted as it aligns with my world view. Right wing facts are not allowed to be heard. Unfortunately for the little narrative you want to push here fella, the right wing have as much right as you to talk your rubbish.

If you have an issue with anyone in this thread talking about conspiracy theories that are so obviously wrong and harmful you should be able to pick them apart easily and show why, not cry to the moderators because meh feels.
 
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