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That he made that connection is down to him.

Of course it should be investigated if there’s credible evidence to support an investigation. But unless President Biden made that claim under oath what’s to investigate?

Whilst VP, Joe Biden flew Hunter to China, on Air Force 1, Hunter meets with Chinese energy company, hunter and Joe Bidens brother receive $11M from the energy company. One of the emails says that "H" is holding 10% for "the big guy". Hunters previous business partner has stated that H is Hunter and the "Big Guy" is Joe. nothing to worry about? Nothing to investigate?

Whilst VP Joe Biden flew Hunter to Mexico and he met with the same mexican billionaires that are photographed with Biden a few pages back...nothing to investigate?

Hunter Biden is made board member of Ukrainian Energy Company Burisma and receives $500K a year despite having no qualifications for it. Burisma gets in trouble and is being prosecuted. There are clear emails where the CEO of Burisma directly asked Hunter to "use his political connections" to help get the case off their backs and then "coincidently" Joe Biden as VP threatens to withhold $1B of taxpayer money unless they sack the prosecutor within 6 hours. Joe brags about it openly. Nothing to look at?
 
Hasn’t there already been an investigation?

But we’ll have to disagree on the veracity of the emails. I dispute they’ve been “verified to the highest standard possible.” Best case is they can’t be determined one way or another.

Then there’s this:

Several emails within a cache of more than 128,700 emails allegedly associated with a Hunter Biden laptop that allies of and former staff of President Donald Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon are circulating show “signs of tampering,” according to a recent analysis.

Distributed Denial of Secrets, a nonprofit transparency journalism outlet focused on bringing newsworthy documents and data to light, published the findings Saturday.

“There are considerable issues with this dataset including signs of tampering, as well as misconceptions about its contents,” a write-up of the organization’s findings reads. “More than one altered or implanted emails was detected in a version of the dataset distributed by Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon allies and former staffers.”

Distributed Denial of Secrets, also known as DDoSecrets, published the 3.6 gigabyte dataset in full alongside the analysis “to counteract possible deceptions by persons with an agenda who are currently distributing the dataset without the relevant context or warnings,” it wrote.

Emma Best, a co-founder of DDoSecrets, tweeted May 21 that the “known altered emails have low impact,” but added that “their presence is significant. So is the inability to rule out others.” The altered emails were ones Best “found quickly” and “were relatively sloppy,” they said.

And this

In April 2022, The Washington Post reported that Mac Isaac said that he had seen claims about what the laptop contained that did not reflect what he had seen on the laptop: "I do know that there have been multiple attempts over the past year-and-a-half to insert questionable material into the laptop as in, not physically, but passing off this misinformation or disinformation as coming from the laptop. ... And that is a major concern of mine because I have fought tooth and nail to protect the integrity of this drive and to jeopardize that is going to mean that everything that I sacrificed will be for nothing."

And this

The analysts found that people other than Hunter Biden had repeatedly accessed and copied data for nearly three years; they also found evidence that people other than Biden had accessed and written files to the drive, both before and after the New York Post story. In September 2020, someone created six new folders on the drive, including with the names "Biden Burisma," "Big Guy File," "Salacious Pics Package" and "Hunter. Burisma Documents." One of the analysts found evidence someone may have accessed the drive contents from a West Coast location days after The New York Post published their stories about the laptop.

no worries, so because these guys say so, everyone relax and get on with your day? Washington Post & NY Times are as close to Democrat propaganda machines as you are ever going to find and they say that at least 22K of the emails are legit and they didnt find any false.

Not worthy of investigation?
 
Whilst VP, Joe Biden flew Hunter to China, on Air Force 1, Hunter meets with Chinese energy company, hunter and Joe Bidens brother receive $11M from the energy company. One of the emails says that "H" is holding 10% for "the big guy". Hunters previous business partner has stated that H is Hunter and the "Big Guy" is Joe. nothing to worry about? Nothing to investigate?

Whilst VP Joe Biden flew Hunter to Mexico and he met with the same mexican billionaires that are photographed with Biden a few pages back...nothing to investigate?

Hunter Biden is made board member of Ukrainian Energy Company Burisma and receives $500K a year despite having no qualifications for it. Burisma gets in trouble and is being prosecuted. There are clear emails where the CEO of Burisma directly asked Hunter to "use his political connections" to help get the case off their backs and then "coincidently" Joe Biden as VP threatens to withhold $1B of taxpayer money unless they sack the prosecutor within 6 hours. Joe brags about it openly. Nothing to look at?

The analysts found that people other than Hunter Biden had repeatedly accessed and copied data for nearly three years; they also found evidence that people other than Biden had accessed and written files to the drive, both before and after the New York Post story. In September 2020, someone created six new folders on the drive, including with the names "Biden Burisma," "Big Guy File," "Salacious Pics Package" and "Hunter. Burisma Documents." One of the analysts found evidence someone may have accessed the drive contents from a West Coast location days after The New York Post published their stories about the laptop.

Among the emails that The Washington Post was able to authenticate was the Pozharskyi email that formed the basis of the New York Post's original article. An email referencing "10 held by H for the big guy?," an apparent reference to a rejected proposal to give Joe Biden a 10% share of a Chinese deal his son was negotiating, was not authenticated, though a recipient of the email publicly vouched for its authenticity

Hunter Biden’s supposed pay cheque isn’t grounds for an investigation unless there’s some proof Biden used his office to secure it.

The Biden threat thing? Not the whole story.

 
no worries, so because these guys say so, everyone relax and get on with your day? Washington Post & NY Times are as close to Democrat propaganda machines as you are ever going to find and they say that at least 22K of the emails are legit and they didnt find any false.

Not worthy of investigation?

A whole bunch of experts say the emails are possibly or probably fake? I mean surely it’s relevant?

The Post and Times are well regarded publications and have been for sometime. Weren’t you quoting them before?

Again though, hasn’t there already been an investigation?
 
Oh no, what happened to your avatar TP?
In honour of our banter, not always seeing eye to eye, taking pee out of each other, but still being able to have a laugh, i thought I would change my avatar like yourself. Something I have never done.
I hope you like it and get a chuckle out of it. I will be changing them over the next week or two, so the most popular may stay or I may revert back to my original.
 
The analysts found that people other than Hunter Biden had repeatedly accessed and copied data for nearly three years; they also found evidence that people other than Biden had accessed and written files to the drive, both before and after the New York Post story. In September 2020, someone created six new folders on the drive, including with the names "Biden Burisma," "Big Guy File," "Salacious Pics Package" and "Hunter. Burisma Documents." One of the analysts found evidence someone may have accessed the drive contents from a West Coast location days after The New York Post published their stories about the laptop.

The original hard drive from the laptop is in the hands of the FBI. The hard drives that NY Post have and that Washington Post tested are copies (of copies of copies). Anything could have happened to those drives and the information in them of course, but not the 22K verified ones.
Among the emails that The Washington Post was able to authenticate was the Pozharskyi email that formed the basis of the New York Post's original article.

Pozharskyi emails that were verified were the one thanking Hunter for organising the meeting with Joe (that Joe says never happened) and a subsequent email asking Hunter to "use his political connections" to get the heat off Burisma.

An email referencing "10 held by H for the big guy?," an apparent reference to a rejected proposal to give Joe Biden a 10% share of a Chinese deal his son was negotiating, was not authenticated, though a recipient of the email publicly vouched for its authenticity

The recipient is Tony Bobulinski who also confirmed H is Hunter and the big guy is Joe. Joe flew Hunter to meet the Chinese energy Company in Air Force 1. Hunter and Joes brother DID receive $11M from that company. Worth investigation on its own.

Hunter Biden’s supposed pay cheque isn’t grounds for an investigation unless there’s some proof Biden used his office to secure it.

No but asking Hunter to use his "political connections" to get heat off is.

We will go around in circles Yoss. im genuinely shocked that you cant see anything worthwhile of investigation. Ill leave you with it.
 
A whole bunch of experts say the emails are possibly or probably fake? I mean surely it’s relevant?

Of course, and well credentialed (FBI) experts say that at least 22K of them are real including teh Ukraine ones.
The Post and Times are well regarded publications and have been for sometime. Weren’t you quoting them before?

yes, they both reported that the data is real and at least 22K of the emails are verified.

Again though, hasn’t there already been an investigation?

not since the laptop information has been held. FBI are currently investigating Hunter for tax fraud and for lying about his drug addiction on federal legal documents (gun license) but nothing regarding his dad.
 
FBI are currently investigating Hunter for tax fraud and for lying about his drug addiction on federal legal documents (gun license) but nothing regarding his dad.

Which sounds the right thing to do. The second issue is nothing. The tax fraud is an issue assuming it's true.

I'm not getting what the problem is in relation to Joe Biden though.

You haven't made one single decent point in relation to this issue. Not one. Not even close.

If you come up with something tangible let us know but atm you are shouting at the clouds which you have a history of doing.
 
Hunter Biden is made board member of Ukrainian Energy Company Burisma and receives $500K a year despite having no qualifications for it.
Look this is what I hate when people can't make a good conspiracy theory.

Someone says 'no qualifications' I know they haven't done their basic 101 research. Google Hunter Biden, look him up.
What are his qualifications:
Degree in History from Georgetown university.
Degree in Law from Yale University.

Along with that he has served on several boards.

No Qualifications. Nope that is a lie. Someone is lying to you and they think you are an idiot. Because anyone saying something so basically wrong and Googleably wrong thinks you are an idiot. They are treating you like DIRT and I want to point out how insulting this is.


Upgrade your arguments.
To fight corruption, we need to insist on standards:
Family members must keep their business interests away from sitting politicians:
John Howards Brothers Ethanol company (Yes, that is why we have E10 Petrol).
Eddie Obeid and the entire Obeid clan.
Woolongong local council, Strathfield, Auburn, heck take your pick.

You don't want me to vote for Hunter Biden, OK DONE. Now pull your finger out and argue to stop corruption with real anti-corruption measures and strong arguments.
 
Totally different post:

Does anyone know about the fight between Tania Mihaluk and Karl Asfour?

Tania made unsupported allegations against Karl, Labor shut her up (maybe rightly?). I have only read roomers but never anything strong for or against. Tania is a local show pony, Bankstown council is huge but seems to fair better then other councils. There will be corruption but I strongly believe less corruption then other councils. (Auburn, Strathfield, Woolongong, etc.)
 
Look this is what I hate when people can't make a good conspiracy theory.

Someone says 'no qualifications' I know they haven't done their basic 101 research. Google Hunter Biden, look him up.
What are his qualifications:
Degree in History from Georgetown university.
Degree in Law from Yale University.

Along with that he has served on several boards.

No Qualifications. Nope that is a lie. Someone is lying to you and they think you are an idiot. Because anyone saying something so basically wrong and Googleably wrong thinks you are an idiot. They are treating you like DIRT and I want to point out how insulting this is.


Upgrade your arguments.
To fight corruption, we need to insist on standards:
Family members must keep their business interests away from sitting politicians:
John Howards Brothers Ethanol company (Yes, that is why we have E10 Petrol).
Eddie Obeid and the entire Obeid clan.
Woolongong local council, Strathfield, Auburn, heck take your pick.

You don't want me to vote for Hunter Biden, OK DONE. Now pull your finger out and argue to stop corruption with real anti-corruption measures and strong arguments.

Excellent post. Like most conspiracy theories there are elements of truth buried in a series of inaccuracies or unproven (or even provably false) linkages.

There was a laptop. The emails that experts have definitively stated are genuine are fairly nebulous. Then there’s a bunch of other emails which may or may not be genuine.

Hunter Biden is possibly as corrupt as all hell. Don’t know. As of now I don’t believe he’s ever been charged or prosecuted of anything let alone convicted of an offence. Should these things be further explored? Sure, if there’s reliable evidence to support it.

There’s basically no reliable evidence to support that President Biden is guilty of anything. Maybe he lied about something when he was campaigning, I really can’t be bothered looking into this to be honest. But that’s not a crime or a reason to further investigate. Unexplained income or assets etc. A clear act of malfeasance. I’m just not seeing it based on this.
 
Look this is what I hate when people can't make a good conspiracy theory.

Someone says 'no qualifications' I know they haven't done their basic 101 research. Google Hunter Biden, look him up.
What are his qualifications:
Degree in History from Georgetown university.
Degree in Law from Yale University.

Along with that he has served on several boards.

No Qualifications. Nope that is a lie. Someone is lying to you and they think you are an idiot. Because anyone saying something so basically wrong and Googleably wrong thinks you are an idiot. They are treating you like DIRT and I want to point out how insulting this is.


Upgrade your arguments.
To fight corruption, we need to insist on standards:
Family members must keep their business interests away from sitting politicians:
John Howards Brothers Ethanol company (Yes, that is why we have E10 Petrol).
Eddie Obeid and the entire Obeid clan.
Woolongong local council, Strathfield, Auburn, heck take your pick.

You don't want me to vote for Hunter Biden, OK DONE. Now pull your finger out and argue to stop corruption with real anti-corruption measures and strong arguments.
To call someone an idiot while pointing out Hunter Biden was qualified to sit on an Ukrainian Energy board making $500K because daddy bought him a Harvard history and law degree is probably the biggest self own I've seen in 812 pages. Well done.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt. - Mark Twain
 
Which sounds the right thing to do. The second issue is nothing. The tax fraud is an issue assuming it's true.

I'm not getting what the problem is in relation to Joe Biden though.

You haven't made one single decent point in relation to this issue. Not one. Not even close.

If you come up with something tangible let us know but atm you are shouting at the clouds which you have a history of doing.
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This deserves its own dedicated emoji post. At you not with you.
 
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