FUTURE’S BRIGHT AT THE TIGERS DESPITE CURRENT WOES

Was reading comments about the Titans, and how Sexton, Fogarty and Jahrome Hughes were okay at the Titans but became much better at other clubs.

We will know that the WT are being well run when players improve. For years, WT have brought in decent players who soon lost their form. The strong ones hold their form until their are burned out carrying everyone else.

I am not sure WT has ever had a coach who can improve players. The only exception is Ivan the Terrible, who somehow managed to get Brooks to play properly, but he jumped off his own bus because he wanted to travel by jet.
 
Siberian Kitten said:
Was reading comments about the Titans, and how Sexton, Fogarty and Jahrome Hughes were okay at the Titans but became much better at other clubs.

We will know that the WT are being well run when players improve. For years, WT have brought in decent players who soon lost their form. The strong ones hold their form until their are burned out carrying everyone else.

I am not sure WT has ever had a coach who can improve players. The only exception is Ivan the Terrible, who somehow managed to get Brooks to play properly, but he jumped off his own bus because he wanted to travel by jet.
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You have to look at the supporting cast each of those players played alongside. The titans needed an experienced head i.e Foran, a rookie wouldn’t make a difference with the side around them being equally as young.
 
Siberian Kitten said:
Was reading comments about the Titans, and how Sexton, Fogarty and Jahrome Hughes were okay at the Titans but became much better at other clubs.
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Hughes played 1 game for Titans and didn't make nrl with Storm for 4 more years. He also left the Roosters and Cowboys before the Storm.

Fogarty was the same player with similar results at Titans as at Raiders and Sexton was always talented but even at Dogs spent almost a yr in nsw cup Inc half of this year
 
I think the story of players not improving at Tigers is mostly just not true.

Even the last 2 years - Bula, Faatape, Galvin, Fainus, Pole, Api, Toa, Porter, etc are all players who have improved and developed under Benji.

What we have is a young squad and that inexperience and youth means teams will struggle but we are doing a great job developing players. Even Stef went from a junior to an Origin player at Tigers
 
boonboon said:
I think the story of players not improving at Tigers is mostly just not true.

Even the last 2 years - Bula, Faatape, Galvin, Fainus, Pole, Api, Toa, Porter, etc are all players who have improved and developed under Benji.

What we have is a young squad and that inexperience and youth means teams will struggle but we are doing a great job developing players. Even Stef went from a junior to an Origin player at Tigers
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Good post.
 
I wish I could be confident about our bright future. Although our first love is RL, my wife and I are both Swans members. Reason being, they give you something to support.
Last night we were at the Collingwood game. Half way through the last quarter the Swans were down by 27 points and looked totally out of it mainly because they were playing badly as they had been for weeks. Suddenly out of nowhere they kick five goals and win the game in the last few minutes. They won because of heart and guts which is ingrained in their culture.
When was the last time you saw a WT team win like that? I'm excited about Luai and Turuva coming but players alone won't turn us around, our culture is sadly lacking. Somehow we need to find a culture like Penrith. They won last night because they have the same character as the Swans. They haven't always had that culture. How did they get it? We need to find it for ourselves.
 
coivtny said:
I wish I could be confident about our bright future. Although our first love is RL, my wife and I are both Swans members. Reason being, they give you something to support.
Last night we were at the Collingwood game. Half way through the last quarter the Swans were down by 27 points and looked totally out of it mainly because they were playing badly as they had been for weeks. Suddenly out of nowhere they kick five goals and win the game in the last few minutes. They won because of heart and guts which is ingrained in their culture.
When was the last time you saw a WT team win like that? I'm excited about Luai and Turuva coming but players alone won't turn us around, our culture is sadly lacking. Somehow we need to find a culture like Penrith. They won last night because they have the same character as the Swans. They haven't always had that culture. How did they get it? We need to find it for ourselves.
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Great post !
 
boonboon said:
I think the story of players not improving at Tigers is mostly just not true.

Even the last 2 years - Bula, Faatape, Galvin, Fainus, Pole, Api, Toa, Porter, etc are all players who have improved and developed under Benji.

What we have is a young squad and that inexperience and youth means teams will struggle but we are doing a great job developing players. Even Stef went from a junior to an Origin player at Tigers
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They are young and highly talented. I'll reserve judgement on their progress for a year or two. If they come on, I'll stand corrected. To say that Benji has made them better than they'd otherwise be is premature.

As for Stef, he didn't come on. The occasional good game is not near good enough for an "origin" prop. Look at Haas when Broncos were at the bottom - he went from strength to strength.
 
Siberian Kitten said:
They are young and highly talented. I'll reserve judgement on their progress for a year or two. If they come on, I'll stand corrected. To say that Benji has made them better than they'd otherwise be is premature.

As for Stef, he didn't come on. The occasional good game is not near good enough for an "origin" prop. Look at Haas when Broncos were at the bottom - he went from strength to strength.
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I think people will be in for a rude shock when they see Stef in a Melbourne jersey next year.
 
Siberian Kitten said:
They are young and highly talented. I'll reserve judgement on their progress for a year or two. If they come on, I'll stand corrected. To say that Benji has made them better than they'd otherwise be is premature.

As for Stef, he didn't come on. The occasional good game is not near good enough for an "origin" prop. Look at Haas when Broncos were at the bottom - he went from strength to strength.
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Stefano has all the talent but my opinion of him is that he is mentally weak and I would not say soft but an introvert and I think Bellamy will break him and rebuild him into a aggressive machine a forward leader and it's all on Stefano he has to go hard or Bellamy mite get rid of him after two years
 
Siberian Kitten said:
Was reading comments about the Titans, and how Sexton, Fogarty and Jahrome Hughes were okay at the Titans but became much better at other clubs.

We will know that the WT are being well run when players improve. For years, WT have brought in decent players who soon lost their form. The strong ones hold their form until their are burned out carrying everyone else.

I am not sure WT has ever had a coach who can improve players. The only exception is Ivan the Terrible, who somehow managed to get Brooks to play properly, but he jumped off his own bus because he wanted to travel by jet.
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Maguire improved Nobody in 5 years and sent the club backwards with things only looking better as of now, he was destructive
 
Odessa said:
Stefano has all the talent but my opinion of him is that he is mentally weak and I would not say soft but an introvert and I think Bellamy will break him and rebuild him into a aggressive machine a forward leader and it's all on Stefano he has to go hard or Bellamy mite get rid of him after two years
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Stefano should have no excuses by the end of 2026,he will either be one of the top 2 props in the game or one of those players who never became elite.
 
What is it with our club though.

We signed Matt Ballin I think for 3 years, be lucky if we got 10 games out of him.
Signed Mcqeen recovering from I think it was a broken neck 3yrs again lucky to have played 10.
And now Olam 3 years,
for 13 games and looks like he might be done.
Quite a few more I just can't think of at the moment.

BUT I THOUGHT OUR CLUB WAS GIVEN A MEDICAL FOR OLAM SAYING HE WAS PHYSICALLY FIT TO PLAY NRL,
I WOULD BE TAKING THAT DOCTOR TO COURT.
 
Dennisspicer1 said:
What is it with our club though.

We signed Matt Ballin I think for 3 years, be lucky if we got 10 games out of him.
Signed Mcqeen recovering from I think it was a broken neck 3yrs again lucky to have played 10.
And now Olam 3 years,
for 13 games and looks like he might be done.
Quite a few more I just can't think of at the moment.

BUT I THOUGHT OUR CLUB WAS GIVEN A MEDICAL FOR OLAM SAYING HE WAS PHYSICALLY FIT TO PLAY NRL,
I WOULD BE TAKING THAT DOCTOR TO COURT.
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Due diligence + caveat emptor legal principles means it is all on our own independendent medical assessments - so zero liability to the Storm or associated parties unless there is vexatious failure to disclose...

In the cases of Ballin - McQueen - Matulino - Reynolds etc - the old regime were happy to take the risk without any real due diligence because coaches Taylor and Cleary wanted them regardless...

Taane Milne was a classic case! Signed under Ivan without any due diligence in regards to his past drug testing results at the Dragons!

So we cop his THIRD STRIKE mandatory suspension for cocaine before he even played a trial game - and sack him...

My understanding is that Olam's knee issues were disclosed (as was Blore's injury history) and our medical assessment was that he could make it through the season before requiring arthroscopy/clean-outs this off-season...

If he gets his knees right this off-season he'll be a weapon!
 
Snidest 0 said:
Due diligence + caveat emptor legal principles means it is all on our own independendent medical assessments - so zero liability to the Storm or associated parties unless there is vexatious failure to disclose...

In the cases of Ballin - McQueen - Matulino - Reynolds etc - the old regime were happy to take the risk without any real due diligence because coaches Taylor and Cleary wanted them regardless...

Taane Milne was a classic case! Signed under Ivan without any due diligence in regards to his past drug testing results at the Dragons!

So we cop his THIRD STRIKE mandatory suspension for cocaine before he even played a trial game - and sack him...

My understanding is that Olam's knee issues were disclosed (as was Blore's injury history) and our medical assessment was that he could make it through the season before requiring arthroscopy/clean-outs this off-season...

If he gets his knees right this off-season he'll be a weapon!
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I agree if the ops work out well, he will be an asset,
So we will do a bit more time hoping.
 
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