Onitoni Large to Manly

Large is obviously talented but I also think we need to develop these players at a pace which is optimal for both parties. If he proves himself and is readily for NRL the by all means. But if the reports are true and he is being promised a NRL debut next year then I’d rather let him move on. Debuts are earned and not given.
Agree. Ive been noting here and elsewhere people saying part of the reason we got into hole with bad roster etc that we gave top 30 spots to our 'juniors' long before they were due and they didnt really develop into the top 30 role. I think Richo has said enough of that, no more, its earned. From many previous posts here Ive seen people saying Large / manager demanding top 30 spots and NRL 'next year'- well, maybe the club has said 'nope, see you later if yore not prepared to develop as we have outline and previously agreed.' Who knows but it maybe a reasonable supposition for his release if that is what has happened. Players / managers dont dictate to the club- never.
 
All clubs have elite juniors jump ship for greener pastures. The trouble is, and it has been said a million times, that the present system doesn’t compensate clubs who develop talent or penalise club who scavenge off other clubs. Till that is addressed it will continue to happen unchecked
Ive been of the opinion for some time now, that the junior comps and development should be taken off the clubs and run by the NRL / State admin.
 
He reminds me a bit of what Jai Field looked like coming through.. extreme pace and a beautiful step.. Jai has went on to make a good impact in the ESL but he did struggle a little when he hit first grade here .. the heavy contact in first grade can often “shock” the schoolboy prodigy
Except he'll be a foot taller and 20kgs heavier. He's more Greg Inglis
 
A very disappointing outcome. We lose the best athlete at the club and one of the only players at the club with X factor, who can create something out of nothing. He could have been an outstanding fullback. Why would his dad be done adamant on the position of a 17 year old
 
While it's always disappointing to lose a talented junior, we can't offer a starting 5/8 position to any junior right now because we have Galvin + Latu Fainu signed in those positions.

Perhaps it would have been better to ensure Galvin signed long term first before letting him go, but we don't know what the machinations behind the scene were.

It's possible the kid simply didn't want to play with us and in that scenario, he would have left anyway. Let's be honest, we've won 3 spoons in a row.

We also can't guarantee that he is going to have the same impact in NRL as he does in the junior leagues. That aside, as a manager, player and/or parent, you are going to look at the pathway to first grade and see 2 x highly rated 20 year olds in front of you and conclude that your pathway is blocked.

Every year, there is a new crop of juniors that graduate and some of them are going to be promised first grade at other clubs. It's simply not possible to offer every decent player a shot at NRL year after year if we don't need to fill the spot.

We should just be thankful if the production line keeps churning out players of that calibre and we can build our team from within over time.

It would be interesting to know if part of the problem is our lack of spots in the top 30. I mean, we can't even find space for Sione Fainu right now, so things are tight for us until we manage to offload some players. Seems to be our biggest hurdle to our roster at this stage rather than the will to sign better players.

I know you want the best ..as we all do … but there are questions that haven’t been addressed…

He was under contract … so why not make him stay here one more year until the Galvin issue sorts itself out ? Just because he might not like it … too bad … make him play until it suits us to let him go … that’s what every other team seems to do … also it helps change the perception that the club is a soft touch …

The roster “space” is another issue that other clubs seem to be navigate much easier … why are they waiting to “offload “ players …? Some are on minimal money and can be paid out …
 
Do you really get off on coming to this forum to post this negative Bullshit? What do you get from it ?
Conti ? He will take a long time to make nrl. And what are you going to do ? You can’t force him to stay . If Larges pathway has roadblocks galore than Contis pathway is all but non existent .
And don’t we have just as talented halves in the u17s right now ? Who made NSW as well .
If Conti kicks on , it will because he worked on his game and developed , which will be a testament to himself . It won’t be because he was a prodigious talent that was a can’t miss prospect.
I don’t even think large is that . Even Sualiii the previous large , just rocks the wing for the roosters . He’s an excellent player , sure , but I don’t think he’s a generational talent.
Like a Ponga , or a Marshall , or a Lockyer or Fittler , or whoever . IMO he’s closer to Lote Tuquiri . Which is a special agent for sure . But hardly irreplaceable . Like you can’t build a team around them is my point . As great as they are .
 
Ive been of the opinion for some time now, that the junior comps and development should be taken off the clubs and run by the NRL / State admin.
On the comps part I can agree. I would prefer to see a first grade and reserve grade run by the NRL followed by an under 20's or 21's comp where reserve grade gets a small salary cap and 20's get a development cap.

Firstly, for game day, being able to watch 3 grades would be brilliant for fans. Secondly, a reserve grade and under 20's that can train full time would lift the standard of backup players and accelerate junior development.

I think QCup and NSW Cup right now essentially dilutes the quality of both competitions and if the best of these comps are playing reserves under an NRL team, you will naturally see a better product that will probably get eyeballs and not feel like such a step down from NRL + you give your reserves a quality standard of game time if they can't make the first team.

You'd need to find 3 million or so a year as a salary cap for each club, plus the rest of the associated costs, but probably doable after the next TV rights deal, particularly if it increases the revenue generated.
 
Ive been of the opinion for some time now, that the junior comps and development should be taken off the clubs and run by the NRL / State admin.

And how will the players be distributed to the clubs after their development ? Drafts won’t work in our game … as players will just go and play Rugby Union if they don’t want to join the clubs that draft them
 
A kid who’s a talented prospect or a guy that’s played in four grand finals and won three. Quite possibly about to play a fifth grand final and win a fourth comp. Plus two 19 year olds who have proven they can play first grade.

Good luck to him. Can’t wait for the headline when DCE retires and Brooksy busts out the old Its My Team now. Really Luke? Had your chance at the Tigers champ. Loser.
I loved the way you got a little brooks bashing in that post.
Still not over it?
 
I know you want the best ..as we all do … but there are questions that haven’t been addressed…

He was under contract … so why not make him stay here one more year until the Galvin issue sorts itself out ? Just because he might not like it … too bad … make him play until it suits us to let him go … that’s what every other team seems to do … also it helps change the perception that the club is a soft touch …

The roster “space” is another issue that other clubs seem to be navigate much easier … why are they waiting to “offload “ players …? Some are on minimal money and can be paid out …
All reasonable questions. I guess there's a lot we don't know about the situation.

These days I try to wait for the dust to settle before jumping to too many conclusions. The decision to release him is definitely odd on the surface, but because it is so odd, I'm allowing some time for more detail which may make sense of things.

There's some obvious factors that we can observe on the players end, but the release part is not as clear. I just want to see if there's more too it first.
 
What we don’t know is, what were the terms of Large’s existing contract. When did it expire and were there any early exit clauses. It seems odd we would okay a release, but I guess with top thirty places being so tight you have to move on and concentrate on players who want to be at the club
 
And how will the players be distributed to the clubs after their development ? Drafts won’t work in our game … as players will just go and play Rugby Union if they don’t want to join the clubs that draft them
That’s a lack of understand with how drafts work .
You can’t force a player to play for you . You just simply have thier draft rights . And what tends to happen in these situations is 2 fold ;
You draft the player for the asset and trade them to the club of thier choice . This is not smart as you tend to trade the asset for 70cents on the dollar .
Or 2, you gauge the players interest in coming tot he club in the scouting process , and draft accordingly .
Just because you have a players draft rights they have zero obligation to play and sign for you.
And usually the cap hold around draft positions can be a deterrent for many clubs in drafting high as well ie. the 1st pick carries with it a 300k salary and a guaranteed roster spot .
It’s why GMs in American sports are usually analytics and accountancy backgrounds , and why in most sports except NBA , the high draft picks are an absolute guessing game half the time .
All this politicking and jockeying happens in the lead up to the draft . Seriously if a club is dumb enough to get itself into a terry hill situation well that’s on the immaturity of the club , not on the system itself . It would be absolutely stupid to draft a player who you know doesn’t want to play for your club.
I can give you some real famous ones just off the top of my head .
John elway - San Diego chargers - refused to sign , and they had to trade him post draft to the broncos
Parton Manning - same team - went to the colts .
It recently happened in the NHL - a player called Gautier didn’t want to play for Philadelphia , didn’t sign his rookie contract and got traded to the ducks .
The players have a huge amount of leverage . Especially at the top .
At the back end … not so much … but now clubs have to weigh up having a disgruntled player in the team who’s meh talented vs drafting thier own local kid who’s slightly less talented but can be molded etc.
but here’s the flip side of all that Steph Curry’s dad was absolutely adamant he wanted his son to go to the knicks and not the warriors , and definitely didn’t want to play for the timberwolves .
So the 3rd best prospect in his draft went 7th to the warriors because he refused to sign for the timberwolves , and they signed 2 PGs who both flamed out within a couple of seasons .
My point in all this , a draft doesn’t force anyone into anything .
Also just finally in MLB what happens with young kids is , they get drafted as a high schooler in the 8th round or something , so they say screw that , don’t sign with the club who drafted them and go back to school , the deadline passes and they’re eligible to enter the next years draft .
This for obvious reasons is dangerous , as you’re tearing up a guaranteed contract for a maybe , but many players who did this find themselves in the first round/ second round a year later with the teams they wanted to play for .
The obvious can be true as well , you go back to school and fall in a heap , and find yourself selling cars 3 years later .
 
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Until the WTs are successful in the NRL and at least a consistent top eight club we will continue to lose players who have aspirations of making a name for themselves. It is inevitable that young players, in particular, will want to play with other quality players in winning teams and in the best clubs.
Players have a limited career in NRL and understandably don’t want to spend it continually losing in a crap environment. (Brooks is a good example).
We need to change both the reality and the perception of the club so we become a club that great players want to play at and come to.
The old sense of loyalty is no longer a thing.
Don’t like White? Welcome.
Except for the lick bricks example, yeah it’s a balance at the moment. We need to win games now to keep the future. But the future has been growing up watching us lose and lurch from one Fruit Pascal 5 year plan to another that changes every 5mins.
We need to focus on getting the NRL side winning while trying to keep the absolute cream of the juniors. Once the NRL side is winning more will wanna stay.
Gal is a good example, he grew up an eel and they broke his heart. So he is now jaded and knows footy is just $$$ at a very young age. We are the re-bound girl, we are attractive as we are still a supermodel but the ugliest one. So he’s gunna stick with us while the going is good, but as soon as the relationship sours he’s gunna be looking for a new one. If we start winning I reckon he’ll stay.
The biggest concern is who is picking the juniors we prioritise? I hope it’s not Benji, bcoz he thinks every junior is the best he has seen.
The large kid has probably decided that the path at manly is easier and at a more successful club.
 
Ive been of the opinion for some time now, that the junior comps and development should be taken off the clubs and run by the NRL / State admin.
That is one of the most 'from each according to his ability to each according to his need' statements I've read.

Back to the Gulag for you, Rugby League commie.
 
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