Cricket Season Thread

fibrodreaming said:
I’m not a fan of picking an all rounder for the sake of it. For me, an allrounder batting at #6 has to be able to make good runs on a consistent basis, and take the pressure off the front-line bowlers and bowl some decent long economical spells.

In this series Marsh has failed to do either. He is averaging 14 with the bat and he has bowled a total of only 23 overs in the three completed tests.

What is surprising is that when Hazlewood went down early in the Indian innings, one would expect the allrounder to share the bowling load. Marsh bowled a total of 2 overs in the innings. It makes me wonder why we carry him when he is not needed.

He is a waste of a spot. He is not scoring runs and he is not being called on to bowl.

It is clear that we need to reinforce the batting. Our batting has been flaky for years, but confronted by a high quality bowler in Bumrah, it is becoming embarrassing.

I like your idea of playing Inglis at #6. He is averaging 72.6 in the shield this year. Another option is Kurtis Patterson. He is averaging 105 this year. Both are in good form and would be a better option than Marsh.
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Cant argue with what you say and yes I like Inglis who hasn't really put a foot wrong . We seem to need the 4th seamer to take some of the load if Green was available Marsh would be out .My other worry is just how innocuous Lyon is looking lately .Doesn't ever seem to beat the bat lately .I want to see him over the wicket ,putting more revs on the ball and pitching on the in between length and pitching about 18 " outside off stump . Too much he's just putting the ball there on middle and leg and not asking questions
To win the Border Gavaskar trophy we need a few others to come to the party
Weve been mainly relying on Head ,Carey ,Starc and Cummins and those 4 cant do it on their own !
 
Marsh can’t cut it as a test batsman and he just doesn’t bowl enough overs to call him a back up bowler. Not sure if Webster is good enough at both bowling and batting at test level. I would probably pick Abbott in place of Marsh, he is a quality bowler, great fielder and handy batsman.

As for the spinner, I think the QLD leggie Swepson is pretty handy. Not a big turner, but bowls really tight. Anyway interesting times as the Aussie batting line up really needs a overhaul
 
supercoach said:
Marsh can’t cut it as a test batsman and he just doesn’t bowl enough overs to call him a back up bowler. Not sure if Webster is good enough at both bowling and batting at test level. I would probably pick Abbott in place of Marsh, he is a quality bowler, great fielder and handy batsman.

As for the spinner, I think the QLD leggie Swepson is pretty handy. Not a big turner, but bowls really tight. Anyway interesting times as the Aussie batting line up really needs a overhaul
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Webster would be considered a batting all rounder where as your good suggestion of using Abbot, he’d be considered a bowling all rounder. I don’t think the bowling needs more support like the batting does, especially if we were getting more runs. It’d also help if the spinner in the side could take a wicket. Webster is 31, but the form all rounder and can bowl spin. If your all rounder can’t bowl 10-15 overs then you need a new one, so Marsh has to go I reckon.
 
fibrodreaming said:
I’m not a fan of picking an all rounder for the sake of it. For me, an allrounder batting at #6 has to be able to make good runs on a consistent basis, and take the pressure off the front-line bowlers and bowl some decent long economical spells.

In this series Marsh has failed to do either. He is averaging 14 with the bat and he has bowled a total of only 23 overs in the three completed tests.

What is surprising is that when Hazlewood went down early in the Indian innings, one would expect the allrounder to share the bowling load. Marsh bowled a total of 2 overs in the innings. It makes me wonder why we carry him when he is not needed.

He is a waste of a spot. He is not scoring runs and he is not being called on to bowl.

It is clear that we need to reinforce the batting. Our batting has been flaky for years, but confronted by a high quality bowler in Bumrah, it is becoming embarrassing.

I like your idea of playing Inglis at #6. He is averaging 72.6 in the shield this year. Another option is Kurtis Patterson. He is averaging 105 this year. Both are in good form and would be a better option than Marsh.
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I hear what you’re saying about picking an all rounder for the sake of it, but the best sides have one, if not two, a batting and a bowling all rounder. But if they can’t score and are getting flogged then whats the point. Both Steve and I have been keen on Inglis getting a go since the start of the series, he is in form with the bat and It’s clear to see we need an injection of form with the bat.
 
supercoach said:
Marsh can’t cut it as a test batsman and he just doesn’t bowl enough overs to call him a back up bowler. Not sure if Webster is good enough at both bowling and batting at test level. I would probably pick Abbott in place of Marsh, he is a quality bowler, great fielder and handy batsman.

As for the spinner, I think the QLD leggie Swepson is pretty handy. Not a big turner, but bowls really tight. Anyway interesting times as the Aussie batting line up really needs a overhaul
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You couldn’t play Abbott at 6. He’s a test 8 at best, probably 9.
 
Yossarian said:
You couldn’t play Abbott at 6. He’s a test 8 at best, probably 9.
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Don’t disagree but his contributions with both bat and ball would have to be better than Marsh at present.. Can’t think of to many batting all rounders who could do the job at test level who are fit. Probably better just throwing a bat in there and hope a four pronged bowling attack will get the job done
 
supercoach said:
Marsh can’t cut it as a test batsman and he just doesn’t bowl enough overs to call him a back up bowler. Not sure if Webster is good enough at both bowling and batting at test level. I would probably pick Abbott in place of Marsh, he is a quality bowler, great fielder and handy batsman.

As for the spinner, I think the QLD leggie Swepson is pretty handy. Not a big turner, but bowls really tight. Anyway interesting times as the Aussie batting line up really needs a overhaul
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Swepson had a go when we were last in Pakistan where we won a 3 test series 1-0 .He got to bowl on turning wickets and didn't impress me . Especially when a teammate dropped a diving difficult chance in the outfield and then he demonstrated visual anger at the miss and I thought "grow up "
 
There's no doubt that Starc ,Cummins and Boland are our match winning trio
Adding a 4th bowler must include 2 essentials
He is fit enough to bowl 10 overs a day whether they are needed or not
He is a genuine batsman capable of shoring up the back end of the innings

If Marsh is truly fit ,he can do it !
I confess I've seen very little of Beau Webster- Is he good ? Feedback?
Imo -Abbott is a white ball cricketer not a test one
Jhye Richardson is a main line swing bowler whos often injured and can't bat !
By the way whatever happened to Michael Nezer ? A genuine allrounder
 
GNR4LIFE said:
All the talk of what batsmen we have coming through. What spinners have we got? None.
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The young bloke with the glasses. I can’t think of his name. But he’s had to go to Tas to get a consistent game in shield.
We need at least one pitch in the county that is spin friendly or the problem will continue until the next freak Warne comes along.
 
Stevec said:
There's no doubt that Starc ,Cummins and Boland are our match winning trio
Adding a 4th bowler must include 2 essentials
He is fit enough to bowl 10 overs a day whether they are needed or not
He is a genuine batsman capable of shoring up the back end of the innings

If Marsh is truly fit ,he can do it !
I confess I've seen very little of Beau Webster- Is he good ? Feedback?
Imo -Abbott is a white ball cricketer not a test one
Jhye Richardson is a main line swing bowler whos often injured and can't bat !
By the way whatever happened to Michael Nezer ? A genuine allrounder
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Neser has a variety hammy tear ...still a month away
 
Todd Murphy and Matthew Kuhnemann have both played test cricket in the last couple of years and did quite well.

Sean Abbott has played in almost 100 first class fixtures so I wouldn't pigeon-hole him as a purely white ball cricketer. He'd have for more impact with the ball than Marsh and wouldn't be any worse with the bat.
 
Buttface said:
The young bloke with the glasses. I can’t think of his name. But he’s had to go to Tas to get a consistent game in shield.
We need at least one pitch in the county that is spin friendly or the problem will continue until the next freak Warne comes along.
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I think Todd Murphy is our best spinner atm .Puts good revs and zips off the pitch .Also plays with glasses
 
Buttface said:
The young bloke with the glasses. I can’t think of his name. But he’s had to go to Tas to get a consistent game in shield.
We need at least one pitch in the county that is spin friendly or the problem will continue until the next freak Warne comes along.
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Most of our spinners are finger spinning off break bowlers
Wrist spinning leg break bowlers are rarer and its hard to bowl accurate as Warnie could. McGill was l also a wrist spinning leggie took a lot of wickets but bowled 1 or 2 full tosses an over .Swepson is a similar leggie
Actually Zampa with his wrong un produces quite a good leggie and has good speed variation .Kunemman gets good turn but is too slow imo
 
Stevec said:
I think Todd Murphy is our best spinner atm .Puts good revs and zips off the pitch .Also plays with glasses
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That’s the one Steve, Murphy.
I’m pretty sure he’s next in line, but Tas made him an offer to play in their first 11 and he took it bcoz his home pitch wasn’t conducive of spinning, so he wasn’t getting picked even at home. This is why I believe we need at least one pitch in Oz that turns. It’s good for both bats and bowlers.
I think a decade ago or ago we had a good mix of pitches around the country.
 
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