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I'm not banking on him. I am saying that he needs to be given an extended run of games to see how he goes. Farah is a one year proposition at best. Lichaa is awful. We have to at least try to invest in Liddle unless there is some off contract saviour hooker we can sign.

He actually reminded me a lot of Josh Reynolds out there. He plays an extremely similar game to Reynolds. He's just a bigger version of him.

Tyson Gamble wasn't even starting at Redcliffe at the start of last year. His rise has been absurdly quick. So he must be doing something right. For mine that was a forgive run.

Thank God. I was getting really worried that everyone here had decided McIlwrick was some kind of saviour. The guy is legit hopeless. Brooks wants Liddle as his 9\. You can see it on the field. Liddle should be 9 whenever he is fit.

Interesting that none of these three have seen first grade yet this year especially given there are some guys that'd be eligible for residents that have that weren't picked (McQueen, Sue for a start). I'd like to see Felise given a go in first grade again and definitely want to see what Garner...

That was a 48-10 thrashing and I thought he was probably one of our better players in that loss. Debutant 6 up against that thrashing!? He was giving it his all for the entire 80\. He looked confident, he was good in the collisions and didn't shy away. I wouldn't write him off on that...

Agreed. Personally I would say Liddle just needs to be picked if he's healthy from now on. Even if he has bad days. He just needs to develop in first grade.

He has been rotating the other four through there the entire time. McIlwrick is not the reason we aren't running in the top 4\. The dude played himself out the side early in the year by sucking. Do you think Cleary wants to play Taylor at 9? He doesn't know what to do with the hooker problem...

We have had a premiership winning coach that took us to three finals series so maybe pump the breaks there but he certainly has potential.

So he didn't start the game with McIlwrick today?

Clearly I am stoked yes as unlike you I didn't expect us to be doing this well.

Just give me, any of you, any indication of what he should have done that he hasn't?

Presumably all the superstars he didn't sign are the Newcastle players no?

A lot of one year and two year extensions to get us through the rebuild my friend. Who would you have had him sign that he did not sign exactly? Ponga? Watson? We had a fair crack at Watson and lost. Is that Cleary's fault? Not to mention Newcastle are in year three of their rebuild, we're in...

*Looks at ladder* *Sees us above Newcastle* *Laughs*

Let's see. Josh Aloiai - SR, LK - Was here before Luke Brooks - HB - Was here before Michael Chee Kam - SR, CE - Was here before Matt Eisenhuth - LK, PR, SR - Was here before JJ Felise - PR - Was here before Mahe Fonua - WG, CE - Cleary Tyson Gamble - FE, HB - Cleary Heath Gibbs - SR, CE -...

He came in after last year started so he was behind the 8 ball in negotiations from the get go. He is making signings for a club that few players would have high on their list of clubs they'd like to play for. He had to compete with the rest of the NRL signing players too. Then he had to deal...

It's interesting that you've identified the 9 because I think Cleary shares your perspective given he went and signed two reggies dummy halves and has rotated five players through there all season. He knows it's a problem and is working on it. He, and the rest of us, were expecting Liddle to...

We have had good years between 2006 and now. If you expected Cleary to do better than he has with what he was given then you had irrational expectations in my view.

This is in particular directed at those questioning his signings and selections. I feel like I need to go into bat for the guy. The Tigers after last season needed a roster refresh. I think that was plain to see and I think that was his mandate from the club when he was signed. I think we...