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100% But club ownership is actually an optimal model with our pathways (private may neglect that). Just this unaccountable, squatter based model with the debenture holders is where it goes wrong. Need to either fix at hbg level or keep WT board separate as per the report. We need people who...

Yeah, those were rumours and their "official statement", which was taken down, had no substance.

It would be good for the poddys to pick this up again. I think the action is a open letter to PVL, signed by supporters, to suggest that until the governance is fixed, and they reimplement the report (and potentially richo) that the signatories will be ceasing any viewership, membership and...

Hopefully this includes the HBG directors seats.

They just had to blow us up when we were building with Richo. We still don't know the reason other than they felt left out. We won't move forward until these guys are gone or diminished.

This is some serious spin to save face. Would have anyone have seen him as a fall guy? No way. Everyone knows he's been one of our best this year. It was more keeping the side that had preparared since monday. Unexpected bonus from the judiciary that doueihi was free. That's how I would have...

The other thing that isn't mentioned much is that to accommodate Adam, Benji would have had to rip a debut away from a promising youngster that they are trying to extend. Surely Adam could have seen the bigger picture here.

He hasn't got the right support around him. It's like providing a gifted line cook with a restaurant in the middle of a kitchen fire and surrounding him with first-year culinary students.

The directors should be acting as custodians, but the HBG entity owns WT. But even the celebs who outright own wrexham outright call themselves custodians. Its a mentality shift that is beyond the capability of our club's leadership.

I don't think people say get rid of HBG, they want the organisation gone. They actually want a change in the way the directorship works. For them to follow the report and do the best for the club and members of both HBG group and Wests Tigers. Remember the guys that are the problem are not...

Mate, first of all, that's not clear to me. AD has a track record with this and the way Luai & Co reacted to galvin, showed the level of respect for benji. How about we talk about how the mob at the top ripped out his support with a premiership-winning admin when we were on the rise? Look at...

Such amazing depth in your arguments. I doubt you've spent much time in corporate. Until our top leadership leads by example, any issues should be laid firmly at their feet. Particularly a cultural one like this that aligns with their own "me first" behaviour.

I feel really sorry for Benji. He's battling the entitlement culture from our HBG directors. He can preach about standards, club first and earning the jersey all he wants. But until the same is done in our HBG leadership and its shown right through our organisation, the words will be hollow.

I can't see a way back unless Adam comes out and mentions its purely his competitive nature and won't do it again. If he does that, then benji can probably pick him in half next week. But benji can't do that without that public acknowledgement from Adam now - otherwise it looks like he caved A...

HBG have a lot to answer for. Both the early decision to appoint benji without experienced support, but more so their disruption that led to no choice but to extend him massively. Benji would also be much better placed if Richo was still there

100% we can! Where do you think this culture of entitlement comes from? We've struggled with it for the past 15 years. Look back at my posts; I was calling this out well before today. I'll tell you where entitlement culture at our club comes from - the top. Board members getting their role...

When our board culture is one of entitlement, it shouldn't be a surprise when the playing group shows the same.

Some nuances There are no owners on the board of HBG, just directors. Do not confuse the two. Owners have the right to act for themselves; the other acts on behalf of members. Those directors are supposed to work for the betterment of the club; it's why they exist in the first place. The NRL...

Don't make it a magpies vs tigers thing mate. Distracts from the main issue (the debentures) and devolves into those silly old arguments.

Sorry, you are right, they aren't independent, but they are accountable. Both the Panthers and the Sharks are voted in by the league's club members.