I forgot to mention in the main thread,how enthusiastic our players are,the difference in on field attitude and the stability within this new squad ….Ivan really seems to be a man manager as well as a great coach…
I honestly reckon that if we did lose yesterday,the team would not have hung their heads as in previous years,they would find a way of doing things better,not just going through the motions as we have seen many times before…I’m liking what I’m seeing this year…totally different from other years…
Use to be a big fan of Teddy’s. Met him once and found him to be a genuinely nice young man.
I dont begrudge him making a choice to go play elsewhere, but it was sweet revenge winning against him and his star studded lineup yesterday, and I hope it hurt like hell and continues to haunt him, just like it did for all our supporters when he decided to fly the coup.
People talk about Matulino for his go forward but his real value yesterday was making tackles at critical times that stopped the Roosters form either scoring or gaining momentum. I also thought Twal was outstanding during his stint. Bent the line and found his fron t on nearly every carry and made consecutive tackles numerous times.
Totally agree both counts. Matulino made a few terrific tackles on the edges as well, I found myself saying “great effort, who was that” a few times, Ben Galea style, and it was Mats.
Twal’s hitups late in the game changed our momentum, he made around 4 key runs late that got us on the front foot.
I would rather solid defence with clunky attack, than solid attack with clunky defence.
Great call GNR
Having a great defence will win you more games than attack will
Defence wins premierships
I think the recent history of the comp suggests you probably need both. Other than the 2010 Dragons, who were a bit of a freak in many, many ways, basically every winning team is among the elite in attack and defence.
This is by points scored/conceded so a bit crude, but it makes the point:
2017 - Melbourne: best attack, best defence
2016 - Sharks: 3rd best attack, 3rd best defence
2015 - Cowboys: 2nd best attack, 5th best defence
2014 - Souths: 3rd best attack, best defence
2013 - Roosters: best attack, best defence
2012 - Storm: 2nd best attack, best defence
2011 - Manly: best attack, 2nd best defence
2010 - Dragons: 8th best attack, best defence
Did you look any wider than the premiers? Not being sarky, I mean I did an analysis a few years ago and from memory the better your defence, the more likely you are in the Top 8.
Sure top attacking sides are there too, but being a Top 8 defensive side had more bearing on a team actually making the Top 8 than attack.
You’ve clearly shown when it comes to being the premiers however, both attack and defence need to be near the best.
TBH I only spent a couple of minutes on it - it wasn’t meant to be detailed analysis. That said, the comment was “defence wins premierships” so I don’t think it was unreasonable to look purely at teams that, y’know, won the premiership. If we add your analysis we might actually be left with a conclusion that’s even more contradictory to the original claim - something like: “defence gets you to the finals, but to win the premiership you have to have attack as well”.
Enjoyed it so much today, congrats to the club and all fans on a great day.
We could have easily conceded 5 minutes before halftime, after already defending like demons, and we held our nerve after a turnover, forcing Tupou into touch from memory.
When Brooks went off Benji really took control and we never looked like conceding a try.
Finally, and most significantly imo, when they scored and started to steamroll us we were in trouble coming off our own line. They put a couple of massive hits and then I think it was Packer who took a hit up. He stood tall, swatted them off like mosquitoes, got a quick play the ball and we made one of our only breaks of the game down the right edge a few seconds later. Massive, and snapped their momentum in one show of power and strength.
How good will the documentary be now, when we run of the tunnel in the final episode. All I could think of leaving the game was that we had built a wall, just like the sandbags, everyone did their best out there and that is the end result.
What stood out for others?
I thought the tackle just prior by Mataulino on our line was the major factor that led to the chook being forced into touch and stopped the continuing rot since Kev threw that silly pass. Had a few celebratory drinks, so cannot recall exactly, but another Mats hit was also important later on.
Benji was great during Brooks’ absence and good overall.
In the last couple of plays or so before he had a short rest, Elijah’s contribution had already been massive, but putting in the work to get Cronk with the ball on the fifth tackle and then pressuring Cornish into that terrible kick was outstanding. Lost count of the number of times the refs called his name when he was really working over the attackers in the ruck, but always pushed it right to the limit without being penalised.
Offloads on the right edge as the clock ticked down were great, as was Tui putting himself in the picture and performing when the game was on the line. That they controlled Mitchell with Rochow earlier was probably their greatest contribution.