Abuse and neglect putting children on path to crime

innsaneink

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Interesting article.

Learned behaviour.

We often say, ''some people just should not have kids."
You often find that applies to the parent/s of those people, and their parents parent/s

I lived in a housing comm area for a long time, Ive seen a lot of shit go down….but I remember one day seeing a 2 or 3 yo telling his mum to "Go and get f***ed you c---, [This word has been automatically removed], bi**h"
That shocked me, and the laughter at those words from the mother shocked me even more.

The dregs of society...I suppose someone must be on the bottom level.
Dunno how you stop this cycle....maybe stopping paying these people to have kids and do nothing but booze and drug up all day long would be a start

Barely a day goes by in the Downing Centre District Court that a judge doesn't hear about the abuse an offender has suffered as a child.
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Take Jason Arthur West. On April 5, the convicted armed robber sat in the dock of a windowless court on the lower ground floor looking every inch the hardened young criminal.
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But as Judge Peter Berman delivered his sentencing remarks, a more complex and much sadder picture emerged.
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''Mr West was denied opportunities that most other people in the community have because of the way he was brought up,'' Judge Berman said.
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''The home environment was described as being putrid and the necessities of life were not always available, which, in part, motivated Mr West from a very young age to steal in order to get food.
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''Those of us who did not experience a childhood like that were much more able to make an informed decision about our behaviour.''
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The notion that many criminal offenders have had horrific upbringings is not new.
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But this week's sentencing of Kristi Anne Abrahams, for the murder of her six-year-old daughter, Kiesha, has refocused attention on just how devastating and far-reaching the consequences of child abuse can be.
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Having been repeatedly assaulted by her alcoholic father and then shunted from one inappropriate home to another, Abrahams was, in the words of the sentencing judge, ''the inevitable product of entrenched intergenerational failures''.
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Abrahams' story is reflected in a recent survey of young people in juvenile detention in NSW that showed 81 per cent of women and 57 per cent of men had been abused or neglected.
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''There are lots of different pathways that can lead from abuse as a child to offending,'' said Sydney University child abuse expert Judith Cashmore.
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Among the most crucial, she said, was the effect on the chemical construction of the brain in early childhood which, while reversible, can set children on a downward path.
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''In their early lives, kids need repetition, they need routine, they need security - it's when kids learn whether they need to hug or to slap,'' Dr Cashmore said.
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''If you're exposed to violence at a young age, you can learn that that's the way to engage with people. Or you might turn to drugs and alcohol as a form of self-medication for the emotional pain or anger you're experiencing. Then offending may become the way of maintaining that habit.
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''It's often not just abuse or neglect - they're often just part of a toxic environment that includes the stress of poverty, social isolation and so on.''
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In sentencing Abrahams, Justice Ian Harrison said the system of child protection is failing to effectively address the initial abuse and the consequences that flow from it.
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''We're not doing as much in the care system as we could,'' Dr Cashmore said.
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''It can be something as simple as kids having to go to the Children's Court without anyone with them, or anyone who's on their side.''
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There are also serious issues with care and accommodation, with abused children all too rarely able to find homes or foster care where they have a connection with a guardian that allows them to stay in the same place for a significant time.
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Dr Cashmore believes more funding needs to be directed into prevention programs, not just crisis measures such as those provided by the Department of Community Services.
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/abuse-and-neglect-putting-children-on-path-to-crime-20130719-2q9p6.html#ixzz2ZYCxUPaj
 
Doesn't matter what kind of upbringing you've had it doesn't excuse murdering your own child. Times like that i wish we had the death penalty. What a scumbag that woman is.
 
We need to Stop paying people to have babies. Like you said ink its a cycle. I went to school with a lot of rough nuts. Walking into Rosie shops the other day I was asked by an 8 year old if I had a cigarette. He was the son of one of them rough nuts that I went to school with. It's a never ending cycle.

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Children learn what they see. It's their normal. I'm not surprised if the vast majority of criminals had the tougher childhoods.

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@Peaches said:
Children learn what they see. It's their normal. I'm not surprised if the vast majority of criminals had the tougher childhoods.

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For every sad story for a poor upbringing there is another good story from the same upbringing.

There are people with poor character and there are those with a strong character. I know people who have had awful childhoods but they are good people who have raised really good kids.

Too many people take the easy options

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Flashbacks of learning about Bandura's Bobo Doll experiment.
Some of you probably have heard of it before it if you haven't, look into it. Quite an interesting study.
 
Really interesting article and topic raised Ink. I also grew up in a fairly average area and some kids at my school had no chance to avoid the life. As kids they had to steal to survive because their parents were such trash. Some made it out the other side, but a lot were too entrenched In their ways. The people who do escape the cycle are often really tough and inspiring individuals, but not everyone has such great character.

I am firmly of the thought that being a parent isn't a right, it's a privilege. Many people who will never be fit to be parents seem to never learn after the first child and have multiples. I'm not sure there is a solution to the problem however but I do agree the baby bonus which Mr Howard brought in encouraged the wrong type of people to have kids, and subsequent governments have failed to remove that incentive.

I do firmly believe 'do the crime pay the time' but at the same time we need to find ways to prevent children being under these influences. I almost think there should be a point where if you have a proven track record of child abuse & neglect etc, you should be banned on having children. Unfortunately this violates human rights, but I think we as a society try to protect the parents rights too much when we should be ensuring the child's rights.

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One of the biggest problems I believe is we don't have the discipline issues in any part of society right whether it be school ,home ,work or the legal sides

Too many times people are continually being smashed up with a feather for doing the same thing continually wrong

What do we wish to teach our youth ??

That life is easy and if it doesn't suit you you don't have to be accountable for your actions
 
I had a similar upbringing Ink with the exception that nearly all of those in those communities were black fellas. I dont know what the answer is either. My old man worked his balls off but he was uneducated, left school before the end of year 10 and therefore was always in a low paying job. He was no angel and niether were us kids. You have to want to get out of the cycle. We moved out of housing when I was 14 so I was probably lucky. We only did it because my father scored an inhertiance from his aunty.

Have to say though that he had strtict rules on us kids, we had to be home by dark, had to play sport, had to finish school….and he was a mean old bastard, you crossed him and he'd flog you. Not many other kids I hung around had any parenting at all. I remember coming home from school and getting in punchups with other kids who had spent the day smoking drugs or drinking, they'd brag about breaking into cars, shoplifting..and this all happened before I turned 15\. There was other families there doing it tough, but the majority were no hoper scum who had no plans and their kids now have records of their own and kids of their own who will be exactly the same.

Political correctness saves them...the cops would come in every so often and round them up but they'd all be home withing a week doing the same crap. We'd get a couple of good nights sleep then it would be back to listening to people screaming, brawling and smashing stuff al night long. The mornings were always good because thesse germs wouldnt be out of bed until lunch as a minimum. The bleeding hearts would ensure low penalties...there is just no deterent. It is a vicious cycle that is getting worse as each new generation multiplies the mistakes of the previous.

The wider community need to stop feeling sorry for these people and start realising that almost all problems in towns such as Cairns are caused by these groups. "but they have had a hard life".....yeah well so have the rest of us. We still made something of ourselves. Stop pitying the losers and force them out of this lifestyle.
 
@Sabre said:
Flashbacks of learning about Bandura's Bobo Doll experiment.
Some of you probably have heard of it before it if you haven't, look into it. Quite an interesting study.

Yep the awful reality of insecure attachments. You don't experience someone seeing into you, you generally don't learn to see into others. Crime is often easier without empathy. Hammer, piss and cones fill the void. Unless of course you're an ice nut too busy running away from yourself.

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There's an aspect of tribe mentality that plays a part in this as well.

The Robbers cave experiment is the one I'm thinking of.

http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/08/21/the-illusion-of-asymmetric-insight/

Basically groups form, and once they're formed you'll hate people who you perceive as being external to your group,

Interesting how it develops naturally all by itself (at least in this experiment)
 
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