Are we an oridinary side or victims?

GNR4LIFE

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Every week i hear that we're a terrible side, yet at the same time hear calls of conspiracies against us. People will call for JT's head, but say the ref is on the take. My opinion, you can't have it both ways. It's no secret that ref's will be harder on weaker teams, and if we're always complaining about our fortunes, maybe that's the answer. because when was the last time we weren't a weak team?

When was the last time you heard someone say ''they aren't a very good team, but they have great discipline''?
 
I think we are a middle of the road team that is on a run of outs that is hiding the fact that we're actually pretty good. I think we'll end up 7th to 10th this year and I expect 3 to 4 wins from our next 4 games before getting handily slaughtered by the Broncos.
 
I say a bit of both. We can be very ordinary at times, whether its due to lack of discipline, experience or mental toughness. Then there's the shocking calls we never get to go our way. God, if it was Toovey or Hasler they would of had a memorable press conference by now, one for the ages.
 
There's a middle ground you know, you don't have to be either a crap team or bad ref calls…...it wasn't ill discipline that had anything to do with the no penalty try, it wasn't ill discipline that caused Moses to trip on the leg of that Storm player and it wasn't ill discipline that knocked Teddy on the head, doesn't award a penalty, but still gets put on report apparently, it certainly wasn't ill discipline that led to the Storm scoring off forward passes.

Yeah sure we certainly didn't take opportunities and some of the 5th tackle "options" were awful, the constant bombing that just wasn't working and then there's the lack of leadership at times on the field......

It's a mixed bag.
 
The journos were trying to het JT to bite around some of those decisions. The quote was, "you are taking me somewhere I am not allowed to go". He should have gone there and gone hard. Simonas suspension, 2 balls on the field, the forward pass calls today. There has to be an investigation!!
 
We aren't a terrible team and that is why the coach should cop it. We aren't playing to our potential.

In stating that we had plenty of chances to win that game and the players stuffed it.
 
We are an ordinary side. As much as we want them to better we just don't have the cattle to beat the top sides. We aren't winners yet, We get close but can't finish off sides. To be honest i can only see us winning 3 or 4 more games this year. Knights, Titans, Dragons and maybe the Raiders in the last round. I don't want to be all doom and gloom but just honest.
 
Sometimes I think that it would be $10,000 well spent.
I wonder if JT could claim this as a tax deduction?
 
Today probably both, but generally we are ordinary with flashes of brilliance.
Until someone can control this team through a controlled kicking game we'll continue to be ordinary.
Our kicking is atrocious and has been since Scott Prince departed imo.
 
We are a very ordinary side .
Too many plodders , too many rookies ,poor coaching , poor on field leadership .poor decision making etc …...
 
I say that our main problem is that we are carrying two young, inexperienced halves. Sure, they have talent but when it comes to a pressure situation in a first grade match they still don't know how to deal with it. They will come good with experience but the club will (if these two sign up in June) have to bear the pain of their inexperience.l
 
@Pawsandclaws said:
That is a fair summary stevetiger. The coach has to go because he can't get the team to play to its potential.

Really? Just really? The coach is fine, the players are fine for the financial situation the club is in. The boys tried hard and should have won today I'd it wasn't for poor decisions. I don't usually put blame on the ref but this is really hard to swallow. There is clearly something wrong with the system.
 
Please don't blame the referees. We had our chances and weren't good enough. Our negative high ball under instruction was so predictable that we deserved to lose. The coach is not fine and has to go so we can get the best out of this side.
 
@Tiger Tim said:
We are an ordinary side. As much as we want them to better we just don't have the cattle to beat the top sides. We aren't winners yet, We get close but can't finish off sides. To be honest i can only see us winning 3 or 4 more games this year. Knights, Titans, Dragons and maybe the Raiders in the last round. I don't want to be all doom and gloom but just honest.

I agree. I think this is as good as the team can do. We're just a pretty crap team. We'll beat a couple of good teams but lose most our games.
We're about 6 good players off.
 
@Pawsandclaws said:
Please don't blame the referees. We had our chances and weren't good enough. Our negative high ball under instruction was so predictable that we deserved to lose. The coach is not fine and has to go so we can get the best out of this side.

Negative high ball ??

The first two aimed at Koroibete he didn't even contest

Tell me this , why did they then after that attack the fullback time and time again and not attack Koroibete and the debutant winger

We didn't even find out whether he could handle a high ball

That is a player issue , not a coach issue
 
I think we are properly average, and not good enough to overcome when things go wrong.

At the moment a few things are going against us. At some other point in the year we will get a few things go our way and we will sneak a win we didn't deserve.

We should have probably won in golden point today.
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
Every week i hear that we're a terrible side, yet at the same time hear calls of conspiracies against us. People will call for JT's head, but say the ref is on the take. My opinion, you can't have it both ways. It's no secret that ref's will be harder on weaker teams, and if we're always complaining about our fortunes, maybe that's the answer. because when was the last time we weren't a weak team?

When was the last time you heard someone say ''they aren't a very good team, but they have great discipline''?

It's no secret refs go harder on weaker teams?

What a load of rubbish.
We are an ordinary side that tries hard most games.
 
@Newtown said:
I say that our main problem is that we are carrying two young, inexperienced halves. Sure, they have talent but when it comes to a pressure situation in a first grade match they still don't know how to deal with it. They will come good with experience but the club will (if these two sign up in June) have to bear the pain of their inexperience.l

I'm not sure how much you know about business culture but to me it appears cultural. We have had most of the same issues in this club since well before Brooks and Moses arrived. It is ill discipline and it is shirking duty when the going gets tough. As Taylor put it "being hard on yourself and making soft decisions". It's really a perfect way to sum up the Tigers in general for years. Weak in defence, weak on last tackle options, weak before and after breaks, weak off the field and on the field. We let average players have career best games. Debutantes score doubles, and trebles. Because we make soft decisions.

There is no desire to hurt the opposition. There is no fight to drag the player down when they are dragging defenders through the line. Everything is for show. We are a painted [This word has been automatically removed] of a football team.

The problem is that it has been going on for so long that I think the culture has infected most of the players who could have formed the basis for changing it. A little bit monkey see-monkey do.

It's now part of the culture of the club, the colours, emblem and name. Most people would look at the common link to the eras of incompetence and point at Farah. I don't agree. I did at one point, but the more I've dwelled on it the more I think that Farah was actually the one that was trying to change it about the club and has been the entire time. All the stories out of the camp are Farah had beef with Benji. Farah contributed to Sheens's and Potter's ousting. He appears to be the one trying to initiate change at levels that can alter the culture. Taylor walks in and makes the assumption that Farah is actually the cause of the culture and tries to oust him and Farah loses his mind because he's getting hung out to dry over something he's been personally trying to fix the entire time.

If you look at the periods of success with the club, it coincided with;

a) Fluke that the rules made our haphazard style of play work in 2005 plus Sheens being fresh probably had the respect of the side at the time.
b) Steve Folkes and Gareth Ellis being at the club. Two guys absolutely renowned for discipline and toughness.

Potter couldn't handle it. He came in and tried spinning the plates but they kept falling off and smashing on the floor. Farah didn't rate him as the guy needed to make the change, and he probably wasn't. Taylor… he might be, but like I said can he spin the plates? He showed the desire to make a huge move by tossing Farah but he couldn't get what he wanted done... so he's probably not a capable enough leader to make things that need to happen, happen. Woods as captain, I think is not a good decision either. Another easy decision it was, made by the senior playing group. Pick the most popular guy.

Who is the guy? I don't think Cleary is the go.

I think we need a respected on field disciplinarian leader signed from outside the club as well as a similar coach. Michael Maguire as a coach would be good. Bellamy perfect. The only player off contract that remotely fits the bill is Cooper Cronk... unfortunately there's not really anyone out there who we can go after.

If we could draw up ... I dunno, a challenge? A career defining challenge/opportunity for Craig Bellamy and throw it and loads of cash at him...

Unfortunately I don't see anything like that happening any time soon. Unless we fluke it, or I am just all kinds of wrong.
 
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