Coach compare

[galea_11]

For the last 6 months roosters coach trent robinson has become the messiah a pinup coach .
so if we compare him with potter in the English league they both coached CATALANS and did a good job with a struggling side think they kept that side in top 5 .
Now we have them both in the nrl apparently some say Potter is crap and the league world is putting Robinson on a pedestal . So if Potter is the problem what has changed ?
Is it that Robinson has a very well recruited side and minimal injuries or that Potter has a terrible recruited side and issues everywhere he is trying to address ?
How long has it taken Wayne Bennet to get the knights
firing and he is rated as the best coach by many , its a long process . Potter has walked into a Sh it storm I reckon Robinson would struggle with cos the last I checked the tigers don't have . Sonny Bill , Hargrave , pearce, Maloney , Jennings , Cordner , Kenny dowell , minichello , vasa cheik ..

 

[Knuckles]

Apart from cleaning out the club of players that have been here for a while, what three things have you seen that gives us hope that next year or the year after will be better in terms of onfield performance ?

 

[mtd]

Apart from cleaning out the club of players that have been here for a while, what three things have you seen that gives us hope that next year or the year after will be better in terms of onfield performance ?

answering a question with a question.

potter is a good coach, but he cannot perform miracles over night… look at benny @ the knights... it took him a year also to build at the dragons before they won a comp...

ricky stuart is being given 3 years at parra to build a new squad.. yet potter is expected to have done it already and have us in the top 4.

some of you dont know what you're talking about.

 

[PYMBLEPETE]

Good post galea#11\. Dumb post Knuckles. What do you mean by 'apart from cleaning out the club'? As if that can happen with the wave of a wand, and as if that has been an on-going process for the past 10 years. The clean-out, which may well be continuing, is a key part of our future success, and is an incredibly difficult thing to achieve.

 

[Milky]

Apart from cleaning out the club of players that have been here for a while, what three things have you seen that gives us hope that next year or the year after will be better in terms of onfield performance ?

6\. Grant Mayer- Top CEO and will do a good job
5\. Tim Simona- Will develop into an origin winger
4\. David Nofoaluma- As above
3\. Sauso Sue- Top Player
2\. Mayer said we will be on the market for Marquee players
1\. Luke Brooks and Mitch Moses

 

[tig_prmz]

**Apart from cleaning out the club of players that have been here for a while**, what three things have you seen that gives us hope that next year or the year after will be better in terms of onfield performance ?

i agree with that much- he has showed balls by cleaning out, but that was the easy part- his test starts now to build a squad for the future.

cant judge potter on this year at all, he's had his moments and a few brain dead decisions.

 

[MacDougall]

Robinson would do nothing with our lot. Only Sheens could manage the clique mentality of the place because he was part of it. Players will leave and respond to other coaches because they're out of the influence of the cliques but no coach would have walked into wt at the start of the year and put us magically inside the eight. The only thing any coach could do is remove that environment and put different culture into the place. Ie what Potter is doing.

 

[MacDougall]

Correction, Simmons and Georgalis probably would have kept us as a middle of the road unit by not upsetting the apple cart. But if you want sustained success we need this upheaval.

 

[galea_11]

There is to many issues to deal with that are drowning out the good things . The tigers will be ok in 2 yrs we have to many strong juniors and the top clubs will have the salary cap bite them {hopefully{}. and we will be back in the top 8 .
U cannot coach with a poorly recruited side end of story . I agreed with a few of the sheens signings and now they are wrong . it happens and now its time to fix it .

 

[tigermaniac]

How can you compare coaches in different circumstances. Look at Sir Alex Ferguson when he was at Man U, he had all the resources in the world. If a struggling English side signed him, will they have the same success as his old mob, no chance in hell unless they have the same resources.

Now getting back to topic, what have the WT given Potter.
- a late call up
- a boys club
- task of dismantling the boys club
- a disgruntled so called superstar
-10 months into his job, still no one he has recruited had put in a WT jumper
- recruits from a previous coach
- back lash from the previous years retention policy, or lack of
- a CEO that walks out when times get tuff
- a CEO that choked us with player contract heavy back ended deals
- no choice of his coaching staff
- no permanent home ground
- no centre of excellence
- WT supporters
- Wests Magpies supporters
- Balmain Tigers supporters
- warring factions

Nothing compares to us. If we keep treating someone like Potter with disrespect for what he has taken on, good luck ever finding the next Sir Alex Ferguson.

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[Adman]

Everyone now talks about these brooks and moses characters…. I remember the same talk about Moltzen, miller, lazerus, waters and a plethora more... They don't end up turning into anything special. Which means there's no direction behind the clipboard.

In addition, established first graders neither improve nor mature in their games. Starting to think we still don't have a decent coaching staff who has any idea what they are doing, either with the young ones or the senior group.

I just can't believe with all our so called weapons... We can't score. We are crap offensively as well as defensively now.

We need a coaching staff that is determined to get this team re-educated in rugby league 101\. At the moment, shambles.

Long offseason ahead.

 

[alexaki]

Don't ya love how trendy 101 has become lately… Where did this crap come from?

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[LaT]

Correction, Simmons and Georgalis probably would have kept us as a middle of the road unit by not upsetting the apple cart. But if you want sustained success we need this upheaval.

Yep, Sheens could have stayed on and we probably would have been higher on the ladder too.

You can't keep doing things the same way and expecting a different result. If we didn't do the hard yards now we would be staring down the barrel of mediocrity for another few years.

Not that we are guaranteed success out of all this, but jesus its time to try something new. That should be plain for everyone to see.

 

[Knuckles]

Apart from cleaning out the club of players that have been here for a while, what three things have you seen that gives us hope that next year or the year after will be better in terms of onfield performance ?

answering a question with a question.

potter is a good coach, but he cannot perform miracles over night… look at benny @ the knights... it took him a year also to build at the dragons before they won a comp...

ricky stuart is being given 3 years at parra to build a new squad.. yet potter is expected to have done it already and have us in the top 4.

some of you dont know what you're talking about.

You call that answering a question with a question ? :crazy

 

[pHyR3]

Correction, Simmons and Georgalis probably would have kept us as a middle of the road unit by not upsetting the apple cart. But if you want sustained success we need this upheaval.

Yep, Sheens could have stayed on and we probably would have been higher on the ladder too.

You can't keep doing things the same way and expecting a different result. If we didn't do the hard yards now we would be staring down the barrel of mediocrity for another few years.

Not that we are guaranteed success out of all this, but jesus its time to try something new. That should be plain for everyone to see.

I wouldn't be surprised if with Sheens we would be higher on the ladder since the squad is designed to suit his playing style as is the assistant coaching style. Problem is we'd be like 12th or 13th instead of 15th and we would definitely not have the opportunity we have now of being contenders in 2015/16\. We'd just continue to make 3 finals every 10 years and doubtful we'd get another premiership.

With potter, its a rebuilding process to make our club something fantastic

 

[jirskyr]

All I can say is that this forum was begging for Sheens to go, Humphreys to go, the dead wood to go.

That has happened and there appears even more wood still in the process of being cut adrift.

To continue with the metaphor, once you prune a tree back, you gotta wait a little while for the young shoots to grow strong and replace the old ones.

Give the gardener a chance.

 

[Newtown]

Everyone now talks about these brooks and moses characters…. I remember the same talk about Moltzen, miller, lazerus, waters and a plethora more... They don't end up turning into anything special. Which means there's no direction behind the clipboard.

In addition, established first graders neither improve nor mature in their games. Starting to think we still don't have a decent coaching staff who has any idea what they are doing, either with the young ones or the senior group.

I just can't believe with all our so called weapons... We can't score. We are crap offensively as well as defensively now.

We need a coaching staff that is determined to get this team re-educated in rugby league 101\. At the moment, shambles.

Long offseason ahead.

Out of all the comments so far on this thread I would have to agree with this the most. If you look thoroughly through yesterday's match you will see that there was little if any direction in our attack. You could blame Benji because he was directing the attack. Then again the coaching staff and players are supposedly full time professionals. If they spend as we are expected to believe so many hours per week honing their attack why did so many of our players yesterday look like they had never met it each. The backline most times seems very flat in attack and there is hardly any variety in attack. Usually by the time we get to the fifth tackle it is roulette time with most times a kick from Benji which rarely poses any danger to the opposition. Don't you think that the reponsibility for improving the negatives associated with our attack rests firstly with coaching staff and secondly with our players who are supposed to follow the coaching staff's directions?

 

[liltiger]

**Apart from cleaning out the club of players that have been here for a while**, what three things have you seen that gives us hope that next year or the year after will be better in terms of onfield performance ?

i agree with that much- he has showed balls by cleaning out, but that was the easy part- his test starts now to build a squad for the future.

cant judge potter on this year at all, he's had his moments and a few brain dead decisions.

I don't know if potters decisions were made because he is brain dead or because he wants to give a loud and clear message that he's the boss. e.g benching farah and marshal.

 

[Knuckles]

All I can say is that this forum was begging for Sheens to go, Humphreys to go, the dead wood to go.

That has happened and there appears even more wood still in the process of being cut adrift.

To continue with the metaphor, once you prune a tree back, you gotta wait a little while for the young shoots to grow strong and replace the old ones.

Give the gardener a chance.

Might need plenty of Dynamic Lifter to get it to grow back I think.

 

[system]

My need plenty of Dynamic Lifter to get it to grow back I think.

Well we have Anasta, Thompson & Lawrence.

That's enough shit to start the process

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