Donald , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon

[innsaneink]

We need a leader like that. Big ambition and gets things done.

Government moves slow and frankly doesn't respect the people. , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and Melei, showing the way.

At least on one issue, illegal migrant criminals, what is there to be concerned about? I would have thought keeping criminals off the street would be seen as a good thing.

Very simplistic.
It's not just the criminal element of illegal immigrants... Many are doing jobs no U.S. citizen wants... Many have kids born in the US

 

[cktiger]

He virtually ticks every box when it comes to the definition of a fascist.

He's alienating US allies while playing Mr Nice Guy with "strong man" despots. Threatening Canada, Greenland & Panama goes against everything the USA had stood for since 1916.

He just had to rescind a federal funding freeze because of a massive backlash, including from some of the most MAGA Governors in Red States

His economic policies will wreck not only the US economy but will screw with just about every nation's economy. The combination of Tariffs & blanket deportations will send prices skyrocketing.... inflation will dwarf that of the past few years. After claiming price of groceries (eggs, especially eggs), building materials & housing would come down on...and I quote " On Day One after the election" under him he's now saying "there's more important things to do" and that people might have to "accept higher prices" under him as it would be "patriotic"

His blatant lying has gone up another level eg Claiming that Biden sent $50M worth of CONDOMS to HAMAS .... he's either a pathological liar or mentally unhinged (or both).

His deportations (and fear of them) are already causing undocumented immigrants to not turn up to work on farms & on building sites leading to chaos and inevitable shortages and/or delays in the supply chain.

Appointing unqualified candidates or in the case of RFK Junior a lunatic to powerful positions in the government.

Releasing the Capitol Rioters carte blanche without any regard to the damage they did to either property or physically to police/security on Jan 6 2021.

Removing any oversight into government spending by sacking the US versions of Auditor General's from government departments.

There's already literally thousands of people who voted for , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon this time around going on to social media to openly say they regret their vote and the bloke hasn't been in power for even a month yet, that list will balloon.

Have you read Project 2025 commissioned by the "Heritage Foundation"?
Some very scary, out there far right wing stuff that is set out to be , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's agenda.....look it up!

Already the Eternal Fraternity of Police, the Steelworkers Union, several Farmers Federations, other Unions & Employer groups who ENDORSED , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon are now heavily criticizing him saying they've been betrayed.

There's plenty more that could be said but this lot is bad enough without pointing out more nefarious decisions & plans , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon & Co have in the works.

The guy is either an evil genius or a total psychopath who has surrounded himself with some very powerful, very dangerous people. Either way the average Joe Blow & his family are going to be suffering for at least the next 4 years, if not longer if he gets his wish (breaking establishment & the constitution) to run for a third term.
There's even been remarks in the MAGA hierarchy that the 2024 election was the "last" election.....hinting at a possible attempt to create a dictatorship.

Lot of forward looking assumptions there.
Be interesting to check back on this in the future.

 

[hammertime]

Oh dear. You really need to get a clue

Feel free to expand.

 

[tigertuff]

Wonder if Winston has been deported yet? Hasn't posted here for a while.....

Yeah I’m really looking forward to his views on this thread 🙄

 

[Tucker]

It appears to me hysteria replaced by sober concern.

Last time they were worried how bad it might be, this time they know.

Half the country are behind him at minimum.
This is such an ill informed take.

 

[tigertuff]

Here we go again 🤕

 

[cktiger]

Very simplistic.
It's not just the criminal element of illegal immigrants... Many are doing jobs no U.S. citizen wants... Many have kids born in the US

If you really want to be simplistic they’re illegal.
I’m sure the sheer number of them really works against those trying to get there legally.
In America they call their children born there ‘anchor’ children.
Born for the purpose of making it harder for them to be sent home.
It’s hard to believe just how many illegal immigrants there are… over 11 million in 2022.
There are about 35 million lawful naturalised and legally permanent residents so you’d wonder what is reason they have for sneaking in.

 

[jirskyr]

Interesting take.

So your opinion is that despite his will to do the things he promised and a clear attempt to take real action, your view is either it is all hot air or it is impossible to achieve what he has set out to achieve?

Or perhaps, it is all too complicated for , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon yet jirskyr understands these complications from his keyboard in Australia, but , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and his team, with the huge breadth of resources and information at hand, has no idea how complicated things are?

I think the guy and his team deserve a bit more credit than that.

Not exactly. My take is many of his actions are clumsy and ill conceived and that he mostly doesn't have the solutions he claims to. His famously quoted as saying "I have the concepts of a plan".

For example , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon said he'd end the Ukraine War in 1 day. It's been 2 weeks since he's had power, I am unclear which day , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon means. Does he mean he'll start bothering with Ukraine some time down the road, and after he starts it'll be stopped in 1 day? Because he's currently wasting his time on trans in the military, which would surely be very far down the list of pressing issues.

You don't need to go on with the personal nonsense that I myself "understand the complications from my keyboard" - I never said I had the solutions and I've never run for office. I said the issues are hugely complicated and , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon appears to be applying very blunt and simplistic approaches that are already clearly backfiring.

They've already had to walk back several executive orders (e.g. the federal funding freeze) or had them blocked immediately in court (e.g. the 14th Amendment birthright citizenship).

 

[jirskyr]

Interesting take.

So your opinion is that despite his will to do the things he promised and a clear attempt to take real action, your view is either it is all hot air or it is impossible to achieve what he has set out to achieve?

Or perhaps, it is all too complicated for , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon yet jirskyr understands these complications from his keyboard in Australia, but , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and his team, with the huge breadth of resources and information at hand, has no idea how complicated things are?

I think the guy and his team deserve a bit more credit than that.

Also - if this was , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's first term then your last sentence I'd agree with, give him time and a chance.

But this is like Madge asking for a contract renewal after 4 seasons. You might like the bloke but he's already had his shot and didn't do well the first time around.

 

[Tucker]

Lot of forward looking assumptions there.
Be interesting to check back on this in the future.

It really is the list of a very scared little boy.
Settle down @Tigerdazz2 it will be ok.

 

[jirskyr]

We need a leader like that. Big ambition and gets things done.

Government moves slow and frankly doesn't respect the people. , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and Melei, showing the way.

At least on one issue, illegal migrant criminals, what is there to be concerned about? I would have thought keeping criminals off the street would be seen as a good thing.

Have you not ever considered why governments move slowly? That it's generally by design? Most large organisations move slowly, that even includes the military who are explicitly designed for rapid decisions when necessary, but as an organisation on a whole they do everything extremely methodically.

You will surely agree that there's a solid argument not to be rash or reactionary, like the tortoise and the hare, when you are dealing with the wellbeing of your citizens?

 

[jadtiger]

You were probably a fan of that imbecile Biden would you rather have him back.

I would prefer ANY president from ANY party who has previously been the President of the USA even the ones i disliked rather than this moron.At least they cared for the wellbeing of their people and country,this cretin certainly does not.

 

[tigertuff]

Have you not ever considered why governments move slowly? That it's generally by design? Most large organisations move slowly, that even includes the military who are explicitly designed for rapid decisions when necessary, but as an organisation on a whole they do everything extremely methodically.

You will surely agree that there's a solid argument not to be rash or reactionary, like the tortoise and the hare, when you are dealing with the wellbeing of your citizens?

Unless it’s a pandemic - then you can just shoot some disinfectant in your veins 😎

 

[innsaneink]

If you really want to be simplistic they’re illegal.
I’m sure the sheer number of them really works against those trying to get there legally.
In America they call their children born there ‘anchor’ children.
Born for the purpose of making it harder for them to be sent home.
It’s hard to believe just how many illegal immigrants there are… over 11 million in 2022.
There are about 35 million lawful naturalised and legally permanent residents so you’d wonder what is reason they have for sneaking in.

I wonder if farmers/landowners are penalised for hiring these illegals... Surely it's aiding criminals.
I guess the corn and watermelons will just rot

 

[jirskyr]

The guy is either an evil genius or a total psychopath who has surrounded himself with some very powerful, very dangerous people. Either way the average Joe Blow & his family are going to be suffering for at least the next 4 years, if not longer if he gets his wish (breaking establishment & the constitution) to run for a third term.
There's even been remarks in the MAGA hierarchy that the 2024 election was the "last" election.....hinting at a possible attempt to create a dictatorship.

I appreciate the depth of the post.

I just wish we could all agree, that by now, , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has surely done enough to prove he's not an adequate leader. I've never seen someone get so many excuses, free passes and chances. He's the ultimate Teflon man. It has legitimately become cultish how much people need to contort themselves to ignore Trumps glaring failures as a leader and just as a regular respectable human.

For example most people would consider cheating on your wife isn't great and certainly not a great attribute for a leader, especially of a fairly strongly Christian nation. It is confirmed , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon cheated on all his wives, has been convicted of sexual assault and yet some people are happy to overlook that.

, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon incited a riot on Jan 6th. Whether or not he meant to incite a riot it does not matter, it either shows he meant for his supporters to riot or he totally misread the situation - both critical failures for a leader.

Especially as us all being football fans, no coach would ever be left in the job with so many indiscretions to their record. Our illustrious Chairman Barry must look over at , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and wonder what that man has to do to fall afoul of the people, when Barry himself had to fall on his sword over a bottle of forgotten plonk.

 

[Yossarian]

Interesting take.

So your opinion is that despite his will to do the things he promised and a clear attempt to take real action, your view is either it is all hot air or it is impossible to achieve what he has set out to achieve?

Or perhaps, it is all too complicated for , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon yet jirskyr understands these complications from his keyboard in Australia, but , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and his team, with the huge breadth of resources and information at hand, has no idea how complicated things are?

I think the guy and his team deserve a bit more credit than that.

His "team" is awful. And not for ideological reasons, they're woefully unqualified for their roles.

As for , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and his policies or promises, he's made some unambiguous ones before both his terms that to an outside observer he hasn't even tried to achieve. One's that come to mind are:
Locking up Hillary
Building a wall that Mexico pays for
Ending the Russia-Ukraine war in 24 hours

 

[jirskyr]

Very simplistic.
It's not just the criminal element of illegal immigrants... Many are doing jobs no U.S. citizen wants... Many have kids born in the US

I would be worried foremost about the COST just to move them on.

It will cost billions to round up all these folks, detain them, then figure out some mechanism to deport them all. Let alone, as you say, the jobs they do and the potential price impact over time when you replace illegals with potentially organised and unionised citizens protected under law.

I'm not saying don't do it, I'm not saying don't replace illegal immigrants with American workers, but can the US realistically do this (cover all the cleaners and fruit pickers and labourers and nannies with local residents) and also absorb the price impact for having to pay these people the standard wage with standard worker protections.

 

[Tucker]

I would be worried foremost about the COST just to move them on.

It will cost billions to round up all these folks, detain them, then figure out some mechanism to deport them all. Let alone, as you say, the jobs they do and the potential price impact over time when you replace illegals with potentially organised and unionised citizens protected under law.

I'm not saying don't do it, I'm not saying don't replace illegal immigrants with American workers, but can the US realistically do this (cover all the cleaners and fruit pickers and labourers and nannies with local residents) and also absorb the price impact for having to pay these people the standard wage with standard worker protections.

No need to fear monger like this.
They are rounding up the worst of the lot first.
Those that fled prosecution for very serious crimes in foreign nations and those who have committed very serious crimes within the US.
Once they’ve sorted these pieces of shit out, they’ll have a better idea what to expect when going after the “fruit pickers”.

 

[weststigers]

His "team" is awful. And not for ideological reasons, they're woefully unqualified for their roles.

As for , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and his policies or promises, he's made some unambiguous ones before both his terms that to an outside observer he hasn't even tried to achieve. One's that come to mind are:
Locking up Hillary
Building a wall that Mexico pays for
Ending the Russia-Ukraine war in 24 hours

How does one get qualified? I'm curious. Is it by failing the people for years in a cushy government job? Fresh blood is very welcome.

Locking up Hillary
Building a wall that Mexico pays for
Ending the Russia-Ukraine war in 24 hours

How do these help the American people?

If these are your main issues, then the US has nothing to worry about.

 

[weststigers]

Very simplistic.
It's not just the criminal element of illegal immigrants... Many are doing jobs no U.S. citizen wants... Many have kids born in the US

So they come in illegally. Laws have already been broken. They are working illegally...paying no tax...and now what...keep them because they are working under the table? I think your view is far more simplistic than mine.