Donald , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon

[weststigers]

Have you not ever considered why governments move slowly? That it's generally by design? Most large organisations move slowly, that even includes the military who are explicitly designed for rapid decisions when necessary, but as an organisation on a whole they do everything extremely methodically.

You will surely agree that there's a solid argument not to be rash or reactionary, like the tortoise and the hare, when you are dealing with the wellbeing of your citizens?

I think you'll find this is the methodology in our countries. Have you considered that there are other ways of doing things? Other countries move fast when issues present themselves. We often get left behind waiting for the machine to kick over - by then, the damage is done and we let it fester.

Anyway - I understand it is hard to move away from what you've always known, but there's a couple of guys from the US and Argentina that are showing people how it's done.

 

[weststigers]

Not exactly. My take is many of his actions are clumsy and ill conceived and that he mostly doesn't have the solutions he claims to. His famously quoted as saying "I have the concepts of a plan".

For example , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon said he'd end the Ukraine War in 1 day. It's been 2 weeks since he's had power, I am unclear which day , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon means. Does he mean he'll start bothering with Ukraine some time down the road, and after he starts it'll be stopped in 1 day? Because he's currently wasting his time on trans in the military, which would surely be very far down the list of pressing issues.

You don't need to go on with the personal nonsense that I myself "understand the complications from my keyboard" - I never said I had the solutions and I've never run for office. I said the issues are hugely complicated and , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon appears to be applying very blunt and simplistic approaches that are already clearly backfiring.

They've already had to walk back several executive orders (e.g. the federal funding freeze) or had them blocked immediately in court (e.g. the 14th Amendment birthright citizenship).

It's not personal nonsense. You claim to know that the issues are very complicated. HOW exactly do you know? Maybe it just aint that hard.

 

[weststigers]

Also - if this was , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's first term then your last sentence I'd agree with, give him time and a chance.

But this is like Madge asking for a contract renewal after 4 seasons. You might like the bloke but he's already had his shot and didn't do well the first time around.

Ehh...COVID disrupted any semblence of a decent presidency any world leader had. I agree he was clumsy in his first term. I think he's had a long time to think about it and seems to understand how the machine works this time around.

The status quo is broken in a lot of Western countries. Change needs to occur and at warp speed. Mistakes will be made, but you can't point to any government that has been 100% perfect. Net result is what matters.

 

[jirskyr]

It's not personal nonsense. You claim to know that the issues are very complicated. HOW exactly do you know? Maybe it just aint that hard.

How do I know that immigration, inflation, cost of living, poverty, climate change etc. are very complicated? Surely you jest.

 

[innsaneink]

So they come in illegally. Laws have already been broken. They are working illegally...paying no tax...and now what...keep them because they are working under the table? I think your view is far more simplistic than mine.

So they come in illegally. Laws have already been broken. They are working illegally...paying no tax...and now what...keep them because they are working under the table? I think your view is far more simplistic than mine.

You're getting a little bit more in. Depth to your original post I replied to.
The issue is massive with many ramifications when diving right into it... I'm sure many more than anyone can perceive.
It's funny how people get snarky over , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon when an opposing views presented... I really don't see why he appeals to so many here in Aus
Maybe some. Like the tough guy image

 

[jirskyr]

I think you'll find this is the methodology in our countries. Have you considered that there are other ways of doing things? Other countries move fast when issues present themselves. We often get left behind waiting for the machine to kick over - by then, the damage is done and we let it fester.

Anyway - I understand it is hard to move away from what you've always known, but there's a couple of guys from the US and Argentina that are showing people how it's done.

Which countries do you mean, which ones move fast? Who should we be attempting to replicate?

Replicate US and Argentina you mean? Argentina put themselves in a hole through populist over-spending, you don't need to be rash when your economy is already doing well. Australia's economy is currently 12th largest globally based on GDP, Argentina are 24th though they have twice our population.

So no, I'm not so impressed by leaders who take rapid or drastic actions, I don't think speed or hammer blows alone are to be respected.

 

[Yossarian]

How does one get qualified? I'm curious. Is it by failing the people for years in a cushy government job? Fresh blood is very welcome.

Locking up Hillary
Building a wall that Mexico pays for
Ending the Russia-Ukraine war in 24 hours

How do these help the American people?

If these are your main issues, then the US has nothing to worry about.

How does one get qualified? Well having the relevant knowledge and experience I’d have thought is a good starting point.

You’re pivoting. I know it’s a tactic but it’s still pivoting. I’m merely providing examples of clear, unambiguous promises. If they’re so unimportant, why did he constantly repeat them? Most of his 2016 campaign centred around these drain the swamp and build the wall slogans.

 

[Tigerdazz2]

If you really want to be simplistic they’re illegal.
I’m sure the sheer number of them really works against those trying to get there legally.
In America they call their children born there ‘anchor’ children.
Born for the purpose of making it harder for them to be sent home.
It’s hard to believe just how many illegal immigrants there are… over 11 million in 2022.
There are about 35 million lawful naturalised and legally permanent residents so you’d wonder what is reason they have for sneaking in.

I don't think anyone has a problem with criminals being deported. As it is Obama deported more criminals than , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon did in his last term.
So far , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon hasn't matched the daily deportation rate of Biden's for 2024 but that may change if he ramps it up .

The thing is most of the low paid jobs in the USA like cooks, kitchen hands, produce/farm workers, even a lot of construction jobs are done by undocumented but otherwise tax paying immigrants. These jobs are not just going to be taken up by American citizens. In some states that can equate to over 50% of the workforce.

On one farm alone (a citrus farm) in Berkley CA after there had been ICE (immigration department) raids in the area the next day 25% of the workforce didn't show up. The following day 75% of the workforce didn't show up. The farm manager is at his wits end as he can't replace that workforce, fruit is not getting picked & most will probably rot.

In Iowa a major dairy farmer who's cows are milked 24/7 at his dairy has seen his workforce shrink by over 50% since ICE started raiding nearby farms.
The farmer in question was a , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon voter, he didn't think , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon would go after people like his workers, that it was only the "criminals" that he'd round up. He now fears for not only his own business but for the entire supply chain of food in the country.

In Nebraska, Arkansas and other "Red" states Meat Packing Plants have had to cut back on shifts as undocumented workers are too afraid to turn up to work with some overnight shifts completely disappearing. These plants are already being forced to process less carcasses and are failing to fulfil orders. They will be staring down the certainty of huge profits losses if not worse.

**All of the cases I've mentioned have been shown cased on the Meidas Touch Network YouTube channel and come from interviews with both employers & union reps etc that have appeared on US commercial & cable networks as well as various news publications.**

, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is actually hurting his base more than people in "blue" states. All this will cause unprecedented chaos in the farming, food processing and construction industries (and more).
It will cause food shortages, it will cause supply chain issues and coupled with potential tariffs will cause huge spikes in cost to business and inflation for the consumer.
Even fuel prices will likely rise as a good percentage of oil workers in Texas, New Mexico & North Dakota (all "Red states") are (or now were) undocumented immigrants, replacing them won't be easy and it would likely be impossible to find an alternative work force. When the price of fuel goes up the price of everything goes up. Add that to the price rises from food scarcity, supply chain issues then whack tariffs on top of that and Americans, especially those in , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's "Red-Republican/MAGA" states are going to go through a world of pain, that's just what will happen if he (, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon) doesn't wake up to the economic suicide he's unleashing on his base and Americans in general.

 

[weststigers]

How do I know that immigration, inflation, cost of living, poverty, climate change etc. are very complicated? Surely you jest.

You pull out snippets of issues and create complication. Problems are tackled on a macro level first. Results assessed and move to micro level issues next. It really isn't that difficult. I think you hear Trumps macro solutions and immediatly move to the micro. One step at a time.

Not saying you get a perfect solution for all - I think we can agree this is near impossible.

 

[Yossarian]

Very simplistic.
It's not just the criminal element of illegal immigrants... Many are doing jobs no U.S. citizen wants... Many have kids born in the US

It’s extremely simplistic and a good example of the type of populist but ultimately self defeating policy , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon specialises in. He’s been harping on about inflation but his big policies so far have been tariffs and removing cheap labour.

 

[jirskyr]

Ehh...COVID disrupted any semblence of a decent presidency any world leader had. I agree he was clumsy in his first term. I think he's had a long time to think about it and seems to understand how the machine works this time around.

The status quo is broken in a lot of Western countries. Change needs to occur and at warp speed. Mistakes will be made, but you can't point to any government that has been 100% perfect. Net result is what matters.

That's fine, I really do look forward, truly, to 2029 when , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon 2.0 can be adequately assessed.

I just want the , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon enthusiasts to promise they will judge him on actual results and not make excuses if he's an ordinary president again. It's fine to predict he'll do a good job, it's fine to predict he won't, but let's not kid ourselves in 4 years when his term is up, assuming he does leave the role as mandated.

 

[coivtny]

If you really want to be simplistic they’re illegal.
I’m sure the sheer number of them really works against those trying to get there legally.
In America they call their children born there ‘anchor’ children.
Born for the purpose of making it harder for them to be sent home.
It’s hard to believe just how many illegal immigrants there are… over 11 million in 2022.
There are about 35 million lawful naturalised and legally permanent residents so you’d wonder what is reason they have for sneaking in.

One reason is they wouldn't pass muster if they tried 'normal' methods. Countries have to have standards regarding who they let in and I'm guessing quite a few mightn't pass the test.

 

[jirskyr]

You pull out snippets of issues and create complication. Problems are tackled on a macro level first. Results assessed and move to micro level issues next. It really isn't that difficult. I think you hear Trumps macro solutions and immediatly move to the micro. One step at a time.

Not saying you get a perfect solution for all - I think we can agree this is near impossible.

I honestly don't follow. I'm not creating complication, those topics are inherently complicated. There are human elements at all levels resisting the status quo and also resisting changes.

Seeing complication follows exactly what you suggested - you can consider the macro first, by all means, then consider the micro impacts of your macro decision. All macros impact micros, surely by definition.

The obvious example is the illegal immigrants. At a macro level it's easy to say "expel all illegals" and legally that's fine. But it would then be ignorant to not consider the flow-on effects, the "micros" you speak of. What about those currently in consideration for refugee or asylum? What about the naturalised children of the illegals? What about the workforce impacts? What about the cost of mobilising your departments to capture, hold and deport illegals?

Similarly with tariffs. You can say you will use them to coerce neighbours and promote protectionism, but it would be ignorant and deficient not to consider flow-on effects. What about retaliatory tariffs, what about inflation and cost to consumer? Can America automatically fill the gap left by potentially blocked trade?

I work in Project Management, my job is to plot out the impacts of the macro decisions made by my clients - assess risks, plan timelines, implement strategies. They make big decisions and pass it to us to navigate the smaller rivers and creeks. You can't just make a big decision, hang your hat and walk off into the sunset, it doesn't work that way.

 

[weststigers]

Which countries do you mean, which ones move fast? Who should we be attempting to replicate?

Replicate US and Argentina you mean? Argentina put themselves in a hole through populist over-spending, you don't need to be rash when your economy is already doing well. Australia's economy is currently 12th largest globally based on GDP, Argentina are 24th though they have twice our population.

So no, I'm not so impressed by leaders who take rapid or drastic actions, I don't think speed or hammer blows alone are to be respected.

Melei has has reduced inflation significantly and has only been in for about a year. Why are you comparing an economy trashed by socialist policies for decades, with the 1 year of cleaning up the mess he is dealing with now. Without his "hammer blows", Argentina would be facing even bigger hyper inflation than they were before.

No one is saying we should try to "replicate" anyone.

There are aspects of a country's operation that should be looked at. For example, Singapore. Singapore has 85%+ home ownership, in a low tax enviroment, no soverign debt and the equivelant of $300k USD person in the sovereign wealth fund. Left or right politics aside, surely we can learn something?

Countries that move fast...you just mentioned two. You might disagree with the policies, but you can't deny the speed at which they occur. I have more, but I have also lived in 5 different countries, so have the benefit of experiencing the many different ways countries go about things.

 

[Tigerdazz2]

So they come in illegally. Laws have already been broken. They are working illegally...paying no tax...and now what...keep them because they are working under the table? I think your view is far more simplistic than mine.

Undocumented workers DO PAY TAX, as they have to have an ITIN to work. They also, by law, pay INTO social security that ironically they are not entitled to access themselves under most circumstances.

The only ones not paying tax are the ones that are getting cash in hand.

The vast majority DO pay tax and contribute to the social security safety net that is overwhelming only available to US citizens besides those very few "qualified aliens" that can qualify for SSI or SSA benefits.

As an example in 2022, undocumented immigrants in the USA with ITIN numbers paid USD$59.4 billion in federal and USD$13.6 billion in state and federal taxes.

Please get your facts right before posting your "simplistic" alternative spiel that comes straight from Fox/Sky News propaganda. The facts are easily available on US government websites (at least for now).
I wouldn't put it past , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon to delete or alter any data that doesn't back up his narrative.

 

[jirskyr]

Melei has has reduced inflation significantly and has only been in for about a year. Why are you comparing an economy trashed by socialist policies for decades, with the 1 year of cleaning up the mess he is dealing with now. Without his "hammer blows", Argentina would be facing even bigger hyper inflation than they were before.

No one is saying we should try to "replicate" anyone.

There are aspects of a country's operation that should be looked at. For example, Singapore. Singapore has 85%+ home ownership, in a low tax enviroment, no soverign debt and the equivelant of $300k USD person in the sovereign wealth fund. Left or right politics aside, surely we can learn something?

Countries that move fast...you just mentioned two. You might disagree with the policies, but you can't deny the speed at which they occur. I have more, but I have also lived in 5 different countries, so have the benefit of experiencing the many different ways countries go about things.

You said "We need a leader like that. Big ambition and gets things done." I asked which countries, you said US and Argentina were "showing people how it was done".

I asked how Australia is comparable to Argentina or who we should be replicating. You now say nobody is saying we need to replicate anyone.

I argue that I'm not particularly impressed by a leader who "moves fast and break things". I argue there is value in being a bit more careful than , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. Milei is dealing with a unique situation vs Australia and there's very little to learn from them; the jury is also out whether his anti-inflation tactics will backfire on poverty and recession because it's always a balancing act.

It's apt you then mention Singapore, their government is glacial and tightly controlled. Of course there is value in looking at any successful system and considering whether or not you'd apply it in Australia. For example the Chinese system is very successful at economic growth but I wouldn't want to apply their methodologies in Australia.

 

[weststigers]

I honestly don't follow. I'm not creating complication, those topics are inherently complicated. There are human elements at all levels resisting the status quo and also resisting changes.

Seeing complication follows exactly what you suggested - you can consider the macro first, by all means, then consider the micro impacts of your macro decision. All macros impact micros, surely by definition.

The obvious example is the illegal immigrants. At a macro level it's easy to say "expel all illegals" and legally that's fine. But it would then be ignorant to not consider the flow-on effects, the "micros" you speak of. What about those currently in consideration for refugee or asylum? What about the naturalised children of the illegals? What about the workforce impacts? What about the cost of mobilising your departments to capture, hold and deport illegals?

Similarly with tariffs. You can say you will use them to coerce neighbours and promote protectionism, but it would be ignorant and deficient not to consider flow-on effects. What about retaliatory tariffs, what about inflation and cost to consumer? Can America automatically fill the gap left by potentially blocked trade?

I work in Project Management, my job is to plot out the impacts of the macro decisions made by my clients - assess risks, plan timelines, implement strategies. They make big decisions and pass it to us to navigate the smaller rivers and creeks. You can't just make a big decision, hang your hat and walk off into the sunset, it doesn't work that way.

Is the answer to illegal workers to fill the jobs left by illegals with more illegals? You need to stand for something. If your solution is to keep the illegals or give them some sort of amnesty, then we should drop this one, because we'll never agree.

Tariffs - have you lived in a country that imposes tariffs? It isn't the boogie man it's made out to be. What happens is the imported product ends up being expensive in relation to the home grown product that ends up around the same price as the imported product was before the tariff. In many cases cheaper because local competition springs up. Australia existed on tariffs for years and became one of the most prosperous countries in the world. How quickly we forget.

 

[weststigers]

No you mentioned those countries, you brought up Argentina. I asked how that was comparable, Argentina isn't like Australia.

We spoke about speed of action within government. Argentina has been making changes at speed. , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon does it with executive orders.

We have no such mechanism. Secondly, with teals and Greens getting more popularity, it has made it difficult to get a majority and get anything of substance done.

The best Albo could come up quickly was the Voice referendum for a cool $450M of taxpayer money. The country had bigger problems than that.

 

[Tigerdazz2]

Melei has has reduced inflation significantly and has only been in for about a year. Why are you comparing an economy trashed by socialist policies for decades, with the 1 year of cleaning up the mess he is dealing with now. Without his "hammer blows", Argentina would be facing even bigger hyper inflation than they were before.

No one is saying we should try to "replicate" anyone.

There are aspects of a country's operation that should be looked at. For example, Singapore. Singapore has 85%+ home ownership, in a low tax enviroment, no soverign debt and the equivelant of $300k USD person in the sovereign wealth fund. Left or right politics aside, surely we can learn something?

Countries that move fast...you just mentioned two. You might disagree with the policies, but you can't deny the speed at which they occur. I have more, but I have also lived in 5 different countries, so have the benefit of experiencing the many different ways countries go about things.

Adopting the USD is the only thing stopping inflation, the local currency is still increasingly worthless, even more so with the adoption of the USD.

That leaves a country where mainly the wealthy are unaffected by inflation as they shun the local currency and receive their income in USD. The poor have to pay fees to convert their local currency into USD to help preserve what little value that covers as prices in the local currency rise sometimes multiple times daily.

Melei has sold his country out, a country that wasn't doing too bad until the Military Junta that replaced the Perrons (and invaded the Falklands) destroyed it's economy. Successive governments of both stripes have kept the nation a financial basket case. His populist government mirrors that of Bolsinaro's Brazil and we all know how that turned out.

 

[jirskyr]

Is the answer to illegal workers to fill the jobs left by illegals with more illegals? You need to stand for something. If your solution is to keep the illegals or give them some sort of amnesty, then we should drop this one, because we'll never agree.

Tariffs - have you lived in a country that imposes tariffs? It isn't the boogie man it's made out to be. What happens is the imported product ends up being expensive in relation to the home grown product that ends up around the same price as the imported product was before the tariff. In many cases cheaper because local competition springs up. Australia existed on tariffs for years and became one of the most prosperous countries in the world. How quickly we forget.

The answer is to slowly remove the illegals from the system. Maybe even make them legals!! Not just round them all up, there's too much shock outcome from that.

For tariffs you hit the nail on the head, something I already said but you overlooked. "The imported product ends up being expensive in relation to the home-grown product". What if you don't make the home-grown product? What if you cannot make the home grown product? Micro effects again! An American car manufacturer may use components only built in other countries, not built in America.

The reason free trade has become such a boom is because it allows nations to specialise in the things they are good at producing and trade with nations who do not share those particular advantages. So for example Australia is good at producing minerals but we have no oil. The Chinese are very good at cheap factory output but they don't have enough iron ore, oil, gas or quality coal.