Donald , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon

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weststigers said:
We spoke about speed of action within government. Argentina has been making changes at speed. , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon does it with executive orders.

We have no such mechanism. Secondly, with teals and Greens getting more popularity, it has made it difficult to get a majority and get anything of substance done.

The best Albo could come up quickly was the Voice referendum for a cool $450M of taxpayer money. The country had bigger problems than that.
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OK then I don't want to give anyone in Australia the equivalent Powers of the US President and I'd vote strongly against it.
 
Tigerdazz2 said:
Adopting the USD is the only thing stopping inflation, the local currency is still increasingly worthless, even more so with the adoption of the USD.

That leaves a country where mainly the wealthy are unaffected by inflation as they shun the local currency and receive their income in USD. The poor have to pay fees to convert their local currency into USD to help preserve what little value that covers as prices in the local currency rise sometimes multiple times daily.

Melei has sold his country out, a country that wasn't doing too bad until the Military Junta that replaced the Perrons (and invaded the Falklands) destroyed it's economy. Successive governments of both stripes have kept the nation a financial basket case. His populist government mirrors that of Bolsinaro's Brazil and we all know how that turned out.
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When hyperinflation sets in, most countries will adopt a new currency. The key factor is limiting money printing. Whether it's a new peso or the existing peso pegged to the USD, what's the difference?

Secondly, he has managed to remove the waste in government to balance the books to ensure money does not need to be printed to cover the shortfall. He just delievered a budget surplus for the first time in 14 years. This feeds into the inflation equation.

How this can be considered as selling out his country rather than persisting with deficits and inflation, I'd be curious to know.
 
weststigers said:
When hyperinflation sets in, most countries will adopt a new currency. The key factor is limiting money printing. Whether it's a new peso or the existing peso pegged to the USD, what's the difference?

Secondly, he has managed to remove the waste in government to balance the books to ensure money does not need to be printed to cover the shortfall. He just delievered a budget surplus for the first time in 14 years. This feeds into the inflation equation.

How this can be considered as selling out his country rather than persisting with deficits and inflation, I'd be curious to know.
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It affects the less well off in proportionally than the wealthier people who he's actually helped make even wealthier. Austerity doesn't work....just ask any Italian or Greek. Cutting corporate taxes doesn't equate to more jobs, better wages or more foreign investment (unless you create an unscrupulous tax haven) it only leads to greater profit taking, monopolization of certain sectors and like we see in populist controlled nations a growing oligarchy with too much say in government policy.

I'd like to see just how much "better off" the average Argentinian is by the end of his term. I'd be prepared to go out on a limb and say they will have gone backwards without any improvement.
 
innsaneink said:
Very simplistic.
It's not just the criminal element of illegal immigrants... Many are doing jobs no U.S. citizen wants... Many have kids born in the US
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Tigerdazz2 said:
I don't think anyone has a problem with criminals being deported. As it is Obama deported more criminals than , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon did in his last term.
So far , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon hasn't matched the daily deportation rate of Biden's for 2024 but that may change if he ramps it up .

The thing is most of the low paid jobs in the USA like cooks, kitchen hands, produce/farm workers, even a lot of construction jobs are done by undocumented but otherwise tax paying immigrants. These jobs are not just going to be taken up by American citizens. In some states that can equate to over 50% of the workforce.

On one farm alone (a citrus farm) in Berkley CA after there had been ICE (immigration department) raids in the area the next day 25% of the workforce didn't show up. The following day 75% of the workforce didn't show up. The farm manager is at his wits end as he can't replace that workforce, fruit is not getting picked & most will probably rot.

In Iowa a major dairy farmer who's cows are milked 24/7 at his dairy has seen his workforce shrink by over 50% since ICE started raiding nearby farms.
The farmer in question was a , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon voter, he didn't think , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon would go after people like his workers, that it was only the "criminals" that he'd round up. He now fears for not only his own business but for the entire supply chain of food in the country.

In Nebraska, Arkansas and other "Red" states Meat Packing Plants have had to cut back on shifts as undocumented workers are too afraid to turn up to work with some overnight shifts completely disappearing. These plants are already being forced to process less carcasses and are failing to fulfil orders. They will be staring down the certainty of huge profits losses if not worse.

**All of the cases I've mentioned have been shown cased on the Meidas Touch Network YouTube channel and come from interviews with both employers & union reps etc that have appeared on US commercial & cable networks as well as various news publications.**

, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is actually hurting his base more than people in "blue" states. All this will cause unprecedented chaos in the farming, food processing and construction industries (and more).
It will cause food shortages, it will cause supply chain issues and coupled with potential tariffs will cause huge spikes in cost to business and inflation for the consumer.
Even fuel prices will likely rise as a good percentage of oil workers in Texas, New Mexico & North Dakota (all "Red states") are (or now were) undocumented immigrants, replacing them won't be easy and it would likely be impossible to find an alternative work force. When the price of fuel goes up the price of everything goes up. Add that to the price rises from food scarcity, supply chain issues then whack tariffs on top of that and Americans, especially those in , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's "Red-Republican/MAGA" states are going to go through a world of pain, that's just what will happen if he (, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon) doesn't wake up to the economic suicide he's unleashing on his base and Americans in general.
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What you have outlined is the best outcome we could hope for. He's cutting his own egotistical throat.
 
jirskyr said:
OK then I don't want to give anyone in Australia the equivalent Powers of the US President and I'd vote strongly against it.
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Fair enough and I can understand the fear of giving that power to one man. Personally, I think if the orders are bad, the next guy can repeal in 3 years. Besides, they are subject to judicial review, so there is a protection mechanism from maniacs like a Hitler or Stalin.

In the current system, a bad policy can take decades to change.

Neither way is perfect, but I'm prepared to accept some bad calls in the short term in exchange for faster government action in the long term.
 
weststigers said:
Is the answer to illegal workers to fill the jobs left by illegals with more illegals? You need to stand for something. If your solution is to keep the illegals or give them some sort of amnesty, then we should drop this one, because we'll never agree.

Tariffs - have you lived in a country that imposes tariffs? It isn't the boogie man it's made out to be. What happens is the imported product ends up being expensive in relation to the home grown product that ends up around the same price as the imported product was before the tariff. In many cases cheaper because local competition springs up. Australia existed on tariffs for years and became one of the most prosperous countries in the world. How quickly we forget.
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One of the big tariffs we had were tariffs on imported cars (we still do to some extent). Whilst it kept a car industry going in this country until recent times, it led to Australians paying much more for a motor vehicle than our American & European friends.

The removal of tariffs on white goods, TVs etc has led to us paying much less for these items than we did in the not so distant past.
 
Tigerdazz2 said:
It affects the less well off in proportionally than the wealthier people who he's actually helped make even wealthier. Austerity doesn't work....just ask any Italian or Greek. Cutting corporate taxes doesn't equate to more jobs, better wages or more foreign investment (unless you create an unscrupulous tax haven) it only leads to greater profit taking, monopolization of certain sectors and like we see in populist controlled nations a growing oligarchy with too much say in government policy.

I'd like to see just how much "better off" the average Argentinian is by the end of his term. I'd be prepared to go out on a limb and say they will have gone backwards without any improvement.
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The difference between Argentina and Greece is the Greeks slapped on huge taxes as part of their austerity measures. It wasn't a low tax free for all. Argentina has done it by cutting a lot of waste. Greece should have done the same thing.

Countries need to attract investment. You have to make it attractive for people to set themselves up there.

The headline corporate tax rate is usually enough to be a consideration, followed by government stability, education levels and location.

You are seeing it all overbthe world. Countries are trying to attract foreign capital, for example, digital nomad visas. The theory is, here's a visa for 2 years or 5 years, you can support yourself and spend money in the country. More spending, in theory, equals more jobs. It increases the pie.

The same can be said for low company tax rates. Hong Kong has a 0% tax rate for transactions made outside of Hong Kong. You might ask, what does Hong Kong get out of this? Well it's very simple. The use of finance and accounting products and services within Hong Kong. Government renewal fees and to a lesser extent, these people may visit Hong Kong from time to time.

I don't see how taxing companies and individuals a huge rate does anything other than push them to other places and punishes those that don't have the means to leave for greener pastures.
 
Tigerdazz2 said:
One of the big tariffs we had were tariffs on imported cars (we still do to some extent). Whilst it kept a car industry going in this country until recent times, it led to Australians paying much more for a motor vehicle than our American & European friends.

The removal of tariffs on white goods, TVs etc has led to us paying much less for these items than we did in the not so distant past.
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Prices have to come down, because you sold off your jobs by removing the tariffs. Less money to go around.

Free trade is great, but it's not a fair playing field. Personally, it makes it easier for my business when a country has free trade. No customs duties stoppages and delays etc. However, as I've been dealing in Asia, it has forced me to look at local suppliers rather than importing to make the process smoother. Tariffs do work in pushing jobs back to the local economy.
 
Tucker said:
It really is the list of a very scared little boy.
Settle down @Tigerdazz2 it will be ok.
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We'll see. Already farmers, meat packing plants, food processors, caterers, restaurants etc are finding out the hard way as their undocumented workers have stopped coming to work, afraid of being rounded up. I would suggest there wouldn't be an army of US citizens ready to step in to do those jobs.

One prime example is eggs. Donald repeatedly went on about the price of eggs. (promising to bring down the price on DAY ONE of him being elected).
Eggs had already become expensive due to a shortage of laying hens thanks to millions of birds being culled due to a bird flu outbreak.

What do you think will happen to egg prices when the HUGE chicken farms with laying hens lose a good proportion of its workforce?

What do you think will happen to the price of meat when 50% or more of the workers were undocumented migrants who are now not showing up to work for fear of being caught by ICE agents?

What do you think will happen to fuel prices when a hell of a lot of oil workers are/were undocumented immigrants?

What are restaurant owners and the big chains going to do when they can't get enough cooks? food preppers?waiters/waitresses? dishwashers?

What do you think happens at the big dairies when some 50%plus of their workers are/were undocumented?

Throw the added cost of his proposed self harming tariffs and the average American is going to be in a lot of pain for the next 4 years.

Unfortunately the rest of the world will also suffer from this economic folly Mr , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has thrust upon his nation.
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weststigers said:
Prices have to come down, because you sold off your jobs by removing the tariffs. Less money to go around.

Free trade is great, but it's not a fair playing field. Personally, it makes it easier for my business when a country has free trade. No customs duties stoppages and delays etc. However, as I've been dealing in Asia, it has forced me to look at local suppliers rather than importing to make the process smoother. Tariffs do work in pushing jobs back to the local economy.
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Removing tariffs makes industries less reliant on government & forces them to become more competitive or to diversify. Our economy is much more dynamic and diversified compared to even the 1970s. Tariffs or protectionism is artificial, interventionist, reactionary, a form of socialism that even modern socialists have now abandoned as viable policy in the modern world economy.

It's funny how much "socialist" policy that so called conservatives adopt when it suits their agenda. Funny though they like to "socialise" debt & "privatise" profit.

Tariffs and the subsequent "compensation" to effected industries are self defeating. It's the corporations, the big farmers etc etc that get the "compensation" when effected by tariffs. Not the poor workers or the suffering consumer!
 
Tigerdazz2 said:
Removing tariffs makes industries less reliant on government & forces them to become more competitive or to diversify. Our economy is much more dynamic and diversified compared to even the 1970s. Tariffs or protectionism is artificial, interventionist, reactionary, a form of socialism that even modern socialists have now abandoned as viable policy in the modern world economy.

It's funny how much "socialist" policy that so called conservatives adopt when it suits their agenda. Funny though they like to "socialise" debt & "privatise" profit.

Tariffs and the subsequent "compensation" to effected industries are self defeating. It's the corporations, the big farmers etc etc that get the "compensation" when effected by tariffs. Not the poor workers or the suffering consumer!
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Free trade is great if it's mutual.

It's great for the different strengths of each country. The trouble starts when it's a o e way street.

I only support tariffs on those that impose them on us. I think you'll find , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has the same view on Tariffs. Level playing yes. O e way street, no.

Conservatives do not support government debt btw. You can see the damage it causes.

If profits don't remain private, who should get them? The government? To spend on what? The Voice? If they used our money to invest it, get a return and reduce our tax bill, that, in my opinion would be a wonderful use of "profit" from our invested taxes. Instead, we seem to waste it.

Perhaps, you could get more socialist style programs (basically, handing it over to people) if we invested our money and made a return for the taxpayer?
 
weststigers said:
Free trade is great if it's mutual.

It's great for the different strengths of each country. The trouble starts when it's a o e way street.

I only support tariffs on those that impose them on us. I think you'll find , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has the same view on Tariffs. Level playing yes. O e way street, no.

Conservatives do not support government debt btw. You can see the damage it causes.

If profits don't remain private, who should get them? The government? To spend on what? The Voice? If they used our money to invest it, get a return and reduce our tax bill, that, in my opinion would be a wonderful use of "profit" from our invested taxes. Instead, we seem to waste it.

Perhaps, you could get more socialist style programs (basically, handing it over to people) if we invested our money and made a return for the taxpayer?
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Do you like modern hospitals & a great health service? Do you like to drive on well maintained roads & highways? Do you think we should have an equitable, safe, dignified Aged Care Service? Child Care Services? Do you think we should have modern up to date infrastructure that enables business to operate more efficiently with greater profitability? Do you believe we should have a world class education system to provide a world class workforce?

These things don't grow on trees. Tax isn't a dirty word.

Power was a lot cheaper, employed more workers, was more unionised, better maintained and returned dividends to government (thus to the budget to spend on better services) prior to privatisation.

Like power generation/transmission, just about ANY previously publically owned, dividend returning asset you can name that has been privatised has ended up costing consumers more, for a less well maintained service with job losses & profit prioritised over customer service.

I can't think of any previous dividend earning public asset being cheaper for consumers or providing a better, well maintained service once privatised in my nearly 60 years on this planet.
 
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Article from USA Daily Express, a conservative US News Outlet aligned with the UK Daily Express Outlet.

"The USDA estimated that between 2020-2022 about 32% of crop farmworkers were U.S. born, 7% were immigrants who had obtained citizenship, 19% were authorized immigrants, mostly permanent residents or green-card holders and the remaining 42% were unauthorized to work. The majority of these workers have Latino backgrounds.

Given that the majority of farm workers are immigrants, experts warn that the price of food could skyrocket under , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's immigration policy.

The AV report noted how anti-immigrant crackdowns in the past decade have led to devastating impacts for farms, such as crop rot, across several states, including Alabama, Florida and Georgia."


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weststigers said:
Fair enough and I can understand the fear of giving that power to one man. Personally, I think if the orders are bad, the next guy can repeal in 3 years. Besides, they are subject to judicial review, so there is a protection mechanism from maniacs like a Hitler or Stalin.

In the current system, a bad policy can take decades to change.

Neither way is perfect, but I'm prepared to accept some bad calls in the short term in exchange for faster government action in the long term.
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He's sacking the US governments versions of Auditor General's, 17 so far.
They are responsible for ensuring governance & financial proprietary in government departments ie: Making sure there is no funny stuff like corruption or illegal transactions, nepotism and the like in government departments with large budgets.

Basically he is trying to dismantle anything and anyone within the federal government that has oversight over his hand picked staff & policies.

Not only he did not give 30 days notice nor a detailed in depth explanation for why he wants to sack each of those individuals (with more to come apparently) to congress/senate which is actually illegal and another abuse of power.

Much like his I'll fated over arching federal funding freeze, which he had to backflip on due to the uproar across the political divide, this decision will face legal action from numerous jurisdictions.

Already , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has dozens of lawsuits against him pending over breaches of law and the constitution over Ill advised, improperly/illegally implemented Executive Orders......not a good way to start the first few weeks of his new administration.
How much will this cost the US taxpayers in lawyers fees alone? Not to mention the time wasted by both defendants & plaintiffs when there's more important things they all could be doing to actually improve people's lives.

, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is trying to get rid of any oversight/scrutiny over decisions involving tax payers dollars. He wants to politicise the system to be totally subservient to him and him alone with no checks & balances.

As he has already stacked the Supreme Court with conservative judges, he could effectively knobble ANY form of government oversight. That's NOT how democracy is suppose to work. That's how authoritarian dictators work.
 
There's always pros and cons for any party or person placed in power,everyone has a very different opinion on either..
I will definately watch how , who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's second term goes,it appears his EOs will be the much argued points to ponder..
I will leave judgement until he has time to sort through the problems he has to deal with,but from what I can assertain he wants to look after the American people and country first and foremost...
 
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