Is the Wests Tigers training up to scratch? Compaired to other teams

crazycat

crazycat

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Just wondering if anyone has any in sight into our training and training rageme?

I keep thinking about our team, and IMHO we just still seem soft. I think as a club we haven't invested enough in training.
Although I can remember Siro leading the forward pack training at one point and really doing a good job with it. He did have good people at the time as I think Fifita, Woods and Curtis were coming through.

What could we change with our training to get us back to NRL standard?
 
crazycat said:
Just wondering if anyone has any in sight into our training and training rageme?

I keep thinking about our team, and IMHO we just still seem soft. I think as a club we haven't invested enough in training.
Although I can remember Siro leading the forward pack training at one point and really doing a good job with it. He did have good people at the time as I think Fifita, Woods and Curtis were coming through.

What could we change with our training to get us back to NRL standard?
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Luai will do it. You need players that know what training like a maniac is and loving it.
Standards can only be lifted by senior players we have few that do it. Api is basically it.
 
I'm also wondering about this.. Blore couldn't crack the storm 1-17 until a few rounds later as his body/fitness wasnt up to it yet no doubt had he stayed he be in our starting 17. NAS was playing cup until he got his playing weight down.
Our standards set much lower?
 
Eca said:
I'm also wondering about this.. Blore couldn't crack the storm 1-17 until a few rounds later as his body/fitness wasnt up to it yet no doubt had he stayed he be in our starting 17. NAS was playing cup until he got his playing weight down.
Our standards set much lower?
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Galvin came out of high school and was the best trainer apparently. Tells me some of our senior backs came here for an easy earn. And it shows.
 
Training meaning Strength and Conditioning?? I'd say we are OK.

The game requires a lot more athleticism now instead of just raw power. In 2012 you could have a player like George Rose in your team and do quite well.

The thing that has me scratching my head is that we supposedly had an absolutely brutal training program in preseason based on 'Standards' but we currently have the worst disciplinary record of any NRL team in modern history. Go figure.
 
crazycat said:
Just wondering if anyone has any in sight into our training and training rageme?

I keep thinking about our team, and IMHO we just still seem soft. I think as a club we haven't invested enough in training.
Although I can remember Siro leading the forward pack training at one point and really doing a good job with it. He did have good people at the time as I think Fifita, Woods and Curtis were coming through.

What could we change with our training to get us back to NRL standard?
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Valid question, would love to know what it's like compared to other clubs - and where we stand, and - how much that has impacted where we are.

I do believe you need a playing group that has a number of players who have high standards to drive a lot of it. We have definitely lacked that for a long time, so no surprised if our trainings have been below par.
 
.. then you have Talau obviously running heavy here, moves drops 8kg and performing better. I look at matamua, to me he looks heavy. Milller and the baby fat yet you have 19/20 yr old forwards debuting last few years in tip top shape.. our standards is obviously not up there for these so called professional athletes.
 
Way to many instances of players leaving and stating its pretty relaxed. & comfy here compared to pretty much every other club

Lote... Who I'd.putn the class of. Bloke like Hodgo, rowdy Webke and beaver Menzies mentioned it was a lot more professional at south's than here
That one really stuck with me as it surprised me greatly... Not what he said. But the fact he said it... He's the "if yiu nothing good to say don't say nothing".. Very old school respectful.. My mum used to try & drum it into me
But we've had so many ex players say basically the same thing
 
innsaneink said:
Way to many instances of players leaving and stating its pretty relaxed. & comfy here compared to pretty much every other club

Lote... Who I'd.putn the class of. Bloke like Hodgo, rowdy Webke and beaver Menzies mentioned it was a lot more professional at south's than here
That one really stuck with me as it surprised me greatly... Not what he said. But the fact he said it... He's the "if yiu nothing good to say don't say nothing".. Very old school respectful.. My mum used to try & drum it into me
But we've had so many ex players say basically the same thing
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I'm interested in this discussion too.

Not trying to defend the club, but perhaps with Lote's comment it could relate to facilities and such at the time at the two clubs.

One observation: we got Steve Folkes in as a trainer in 2010-11 and that coincided with a run of good consistent footy where we made the finals each year and looked so good that in 2012 we were made premiership favourites. For whatever reason Folkes was not kept on in 2012 and we slumped back to old inconsistent form.

I always felt there was something in that. From 2006 to 2010 we could dazzle but we never won consistently, then he came in and we looked different. We were strong and played the basics well, like tackling strongly and pushing through in tackles.

That was our best patch of footy as a club. Benji was there through all that, hopefully he saw something in that.
 
BAGNF05 said:
Everyone who hasn’t seen the light yet.

Training, coaching, equipment, structure, organisation, it all means shit if you don’t have the cattle.
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I agree but the Melb system keeps punching out above average players no matter who they plug in.
 
Other than the fact that you can literally see we are piss weak and not as fit as our opponents every week, the results speak for themselves.
Training is another area that takes absolutely no talent and we are still the worst.
I can’t remember ever a player coming here and saying that we had the toughest training they’ve ever had, but it happens often the other way.
The last time we were a fit team was when Steve Folkes was the head trainer and that was more than a decade ago, 2010 and 2011 and we finished a game from the GF. Benji was golden boot he was fit as fk and grease lightning.
 
TIGERS said:
Training meaning Strength and Conditioning?? I'd say we are OK.

The game requires a lot more athleticism now instead of just raw power. In 2012 you could have a player like George Rose in your team and do quite well.

The thing that has me scratching my head is that we supposedly had an absolutely brutal training program in preseason based on 'Standards' but we currently have the worst disciplinary record of any NRL team in modern history. Go figure.
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BAGNF05 said:
Everyone who hasn’t seen the light yet.

Training, coaching, equipment, structure, organisation, it all means shit if you don’t have the cattle.
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Only have to look when Woods left as one of the more considered Props in the game and got to his new club and had it pointed out to him how far behind the club standards he was in the Gym / Weights
- And how much of a surprise that information was to him.....

And then discussed it on TV
 
batboy said:
Only have to look when Woods left as one of the more considered Props in the game and got to his new club and had it pointed out to him how far behind the club standards he was in the Gym / Weights
- And how much of a surprise that information was to him.....

And then discussed it on TV
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Not arguing with you, but Woods played his best footy at tigers and got picked for City, NSW , and Australia while he was at tigers so something was working. I always felt he was a bit of a skunk to tigers after he left.
 
watersider said:
I'm interested in this discussion too.

Not trying to defend the club, but perhaps with Lote's comment it could relate to facilities and such at the time at the two clubs.

One observation: we got Steve Folkes in as a trainer in 2010-11 and that coincided with a run of good consistent footy where we made the finals each year and looked so good that in 2012 we were made premiership favourites. For whatever reason Folkes was not kept on in 2012 and we slumped back to old inconsistent form.

I always felt there was something in that. From 2006 to 2010 we could dazzle but we never won consistently, then he came in and we looked different. We were strong and played the basics well, like tackling strongly and pushing through in tackles.

That was our best patch of footy as a club. Benji was there through all that, hopefully he saw something in that.
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On the other hand, 2010-11 was the last time WT had a genuine top quality halfback. Robert Lui. The time before that was 2005, when Scott Prince was half. The rest of the time they have played natural 5/8s as halfbacks, and tended to look like headless chooks when the pressure is on.
 
batboy said:
Only have to look when Woods left as one of the more considered Props in the game and got to his new club and had it pointed out to him how far behind the club standards he was in the Gym / Weights
- And how much of a surprise that information was to him.....

And then discussed it on TV
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Maybe Woodsy’s mum should have been there to make him lift.

Sign the right cattle and these problems don’t exist.

No surprise Sharks are now a top echelon club having signed Finucane a few years back.
 
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