Isaiah Papali’i - Mega Thread

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Hindsight

IP was a bargain basement signing from the NZ Warriors to Parramatta , starting from 2021. Looking for a fresh new start, feeling NZ was overlooking his playing talents. By seasons end, in what was described at the time as a break out year and also the bargain signing of the year, IP won the Dally M Second rower of the year. Also by seasons end the WT and IP had agreed to a contract on about $1.9 million over 3 seasons , starting from 2023. It was viewed by many as a risky move by the WT as many thought he could be nothing more than a one hit, one season wonder. IP was fast in securing his future, while the WT were seen as paying overs for a unproven player. IP took the money, signing a rich contract, WT got IPs signature.

10 months later
Word comes out that IP is unhappy and wants to stay at Parramatta, the same team that saw no value at the time and were happy to let him go.
Alongside Api K , IP are now seen as the best all time double signings in the WT history. Management of the WT must be applauded.
One season and three WT second rowers later , he wants out.

IP does not have a get out clause, this is a confirmation.
IP will be a WT in 2023. Thank you WT.
The only opinion available to IP as it stands is to sit out 3 seasons.

TSK
 

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Can't believe what a dope Tamou is, nearly put my foot through the TV when he was virtually telling Papali'i if he doesn't want to come let us know now so we can sign someone else.

Shut up and butt out Easter Island Head, you moron.
He’s another one of those journeymen who has played his whole career at another club or two surrounded by success, comes to the Tigers on a retirement package and either subconsciously or otherwise, just can’t commit to our club. These types just never buy into the club 100%.. They’re terrible signings.. Reynolds, Anasta, Matt Ballin.. the list goes on.
 

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Just heard another POV regarding this.. keen to see what people's take on it is.

Basically, Tigers themselves have not held up their end of the bargain with others, we have sacked Sheens, Taylor and Madge in the last 10 years. We have essentially broken our contracts with them- these guys would've made life decisions on the basis that we will uphold the contract. Obviously, financially we have paid the price by paying them out.

IP though will lose nothing by breaking his contract. He's not going to lose his salary for the year. Someone will probably pay him the same or more $$ to be elsewhere.
 

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Just heard another POV regarding this.. keen to see what people's take on it is.

Basically, Tigers themselves have not held up their end of the bargain with others, we have sacked Sheens, Taylor and Madge in the last 10 years. We have essentially broken our contracts with them- these guys would've made life decisions on the basis that we will uphold the contract. Obviously, financially we have paid the price by paying them out.

IP though will lose nothing by breaking his contract. He's not going to lose his salary for the year. Someone will probably pay him the same or more $$ to be elsewhere.
What to play in Melbourne so he can be closer to his daughter.
 

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Just heard another POV regarding this.. keen to see what people's take on it is.

Basically, Tigers themselves have not held up their end of the bargain with others, we have sacked Sheens, Taylor and Madge in the last 10 years. We have essentially broken our contracts with them- these guys would've made life decisions on the basis that we will uphold the contract. Obviously, financially we have paid the price by paying them out.

IP though will lose nothing by breaking his contract. He's not going to lose his salary for the year. Someone will probably pay him the same or more $$ to be elsewhere.
Rubbish , tigers sacked coaches but had to pay them out , that’s a lot different to IP situation. WT hold all the aces , either he plays or sits out 3 years
 

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Rubbish , tigers sacked coaches but had to pay them out , that’s a lot different to IP situation. WT hold all the aces , either he plays or sits out 3 years
Idk bpt? You gotta know when to hold em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away...
It appears to me we should be going with plan B, while allowing wriggle room in the cap for the off chance Papali’i does join us for preseason.
 
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Idk bpt? You gotta know when to hold em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away...
It appears to me we should be going with plan B, while allowing wriggle room in the cap for the off chance Papali’i does join us for preseason.

Fox Sports banging on we need to spend the money elsewhere....
We've already STILL got money to spend elsewhere, And we've freed up even more.....

We have money to buy other the quality players, Without having to worry about where we'll spend Papallis' money....

They don't want us to have the upper hand.
 

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Rubbish , tigers sacked coaches but had to pay them out , that’s a lot different to IP situation. WT hold all the aces , either he plays or sits out 3 years
I guarantee that the head coach contract includes KPIs that permit the club to sack the coach - that will be true in any results-driven business.

All employment contracts have termination clauses, dependent on the role (many of them detault to termination by mutual consent, or by lack of performance / misconduct).

So Tigers did not break any contracts, they initiated termination clauses within those contracts. This may sound like a technicality, but law is almost entirely about technicalities anyway.

Sacking non-performing coaches is normal for the NRL, there should not be any surprise or weirdness about this. Tigers are thoroughly non-unique in the number of coaches we have had in the last 10-20 years.
 

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Fox Sports banging on we need to spend the money elsewhere....
We've already STILL got money to spend elsewhere, And we've freed up even more.....

We have money to buy other the quality players, Without having to worry about where we'll spend Papallis' money....

They don't want us to have the upper hand.
Correct, we carry on regardless.
We’re going to keep twice the amount we would Papali’i regardless.
If I was keeping a book on him then he’s only about a 20% chance of coming.
 

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Fox Sports banging on we need to spend the money elsewhere....
We've already STILL got money to spend elsewhere, And we've freed up even more.....

We have money to buy other the quality players, Without having to worry about where we'll spend Papallis' money....

They don't want us to have the upper hand.
Fox Sports don't want the saga to end, because it's cheap content. They want to keep talking about it; that's all they ever do, revisit controversies.

Which boggles my mind because there is 8 x 80 mins of footy to talk about every week, but they want to instead do a Women's Day / TV Week approach of soap opera drama-filled content.

So I refuse to watch NRL 360 for this exact reason.

I can cop the pre-game reviews, though many of their pundits are morons, because it focuses entirely on on-field.

I actually quite like The Fan, because Vossy just talks about interesting league stuff.
 

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Fox Sports don't want the saga to end, because it's cheap content. They want to keep talking about it; that's all they ever do, revisit controversies.

Which boggles my mind because there is 8 x 80 mins of footy to talk about every week, but they want to instead do a Women's Day / TV Week approach of soap opera drama-filled content.

So I refuse to watch NRL 360 for this exact reason.

I can cop the pre-game reviews, though many of their pundits are morons, because it focuses entirely on on-field.

I actually quite like The Fan, because Vossy just talks about interesting league stuff.
Fox are drama queens. Typified by Vossy's screaming and yelling with every play.
If he was calling a 🐌 snail footy game there would be all sorts of mayhem, antenna coathangers, grapple tackles, slipping and sliding..goo everywhere, carnage..for the love of god.
 

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Fox are drama queens. Typified by Vossy's screaming and yelling with every play.
If he was calling a 🐌 snail footy game there would be all sorts of mayhem, antenna coathangers, grapple tackles, slipping and sliding..goo everywhere, carnage..for the love of god.
I like the way Buzz keeps a poker face and winds up Kenty. Gotta admit, I find it entertaining, but I can see how people get turned off by it.
 

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Understand your thoughts but I disagree..
No one forced him to sign a contract and at that stage he signed it was a big pay increase.. He had to of known that Madge was on the cutting block (It was on the news every day) and no guarantee he would be here and he still signed. Could of easily add a coaches clause but he didn't.
IMO this is all brought about from the Eels as he said earlier in the near he was looking forward to coming here and bringing us back to where we belong. Than all of a sudden the Eels lose like 4 top line players and realise they need him so in crease offer and get into his ear.. Sorry if he was not good enough for the pay increase back then then bad luck..
How are clubs like us going to get better by just giving in ????
So your happy with us signing a few top line players every year and then give them the year to find a better deal while we sit back with our finger crossed..

Even the players union have advised him to honour his contract so he has 3 options..
1 - Come and once you arrive I'm sure you will fit right in and enjoy your time on a team on the rise.
2 - Come over and not put an effort in = Other clubs will take notice of your character and you will miss rep teams and potential higher pay down the track..
3 - Don't play at all for 3 years and get a normal job like everyone else.

Pretty Simple and I am 100% behind Tigers making a stance unlike the past..
Well said @hsvjones..... and I reckon if our so called NRL Integrity Unit actually has any integrity :unsure: , they need to get involved in this with serious questions asked of the degree of Parras involvement in Pappi's fairly obvious intention to renege on his contract with Our Wests Tigers.

We took it easy on the NRL by not exposing or digging further into the grubby and pathetic stolen points debacle, so I am strongly of the belief the NRL 'owe us one' by backing WT all the way 💪 if Pappi does ultimately decide he is staying at Parra.
 

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Well said @hsvjones..... and I reckon if our so called NRL Integrity Unit actually has any integrity :unsure: , they need to get involved in this with serious questions asked of the degree of Parras involvement in Pappi's fairly obvious intention to renege on his contract with Our Wests Tigers.

We took it easy on the NRL by not exposing or digging further into the grubby and pathetic stolen points debacle, so I am strongly of the belief the NRL 'owe us one' by backing WT all the way 💪 if Pappi does ultimately decide he is staying at Parra.
Only if anything eventuates.
 

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Just heard another POV regarding this.. keen to see what people's take on it is.

Basically, Tigers themselves have not held up their end of the bargain with others, we have sacked Sheens, Taylor and Madge in the last 10 years. We have essentially broken our contracts with them- these guys would've made life decisions on the basis that we will uphold the contract. Obviously, financially we have paid the price by paying them out.

IP though will lose nothing by breaking his contract. He's not going to lose his salary for the year. Someone will probably pay him the same or more $$ to be elsewhere.
Re "not held up their end of the bargain with others"

That is a complete MYTH.

Madge and co were paid out...they were paid the entire terms of their contract. Madge walked away with close to a million (that he was owed). Their contracts were NOT broken. Contracts all include clauses that they be paid out. Getting fired actually meant they got paid all their money to not work....not many people are as fortunate in real life.

IP actually could get out of his contract with us the same way...he could pay us 1.9 million (the contract's terms) like Sonny Bill did...and then be allowed to play wherever he likes.

EVERY club is entitled to 'sack' a coach if they want...but they have to pay them the full deal. Every. Single. Cent. Owed.
 
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