happy_tiger
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@innsaneink said:
No not you ANYONE The more money you have just makes more problems and issues
Israel Folau to Play Union in France
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No not you ANYONE The more money you have just makes more problems and issues
tigersrule4life
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Who cares what his doing good luck to him and his future. All i want now is to re sign our skipper for life and sign a big name for 2014 season.
@willow said:
Nobody begrudges any player earning more money, thats not the issue and never has been.
Its when people defend moves like Folau telling a club he wants nothing more then to play for them, so they bend over backwards (letting 2 players go as well mind you), letting them float ideas such as cheating the cap one year and reducing it the next, watching them basically flap in the wind…and the day the whole mess was finally approved Folau turns around and say "hey guess what I really want to be a Wallaby now".
He could have signed for union without the stuffing around of an entire club. Its the same situation when people defend SBW for sneaking out of the country, saying "oh well you'd do the same thing"....no, in fact the majority of people wouldn't have done that.
Thats not honourable, its not ethical. A mans word still means something to some people.
Citizen_Tiger
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That's fanciful nonsense, fanned by the hyperbole and mistruths published in the Telegraph and by grubs like Weidler. The NRL and Parramatta had three months to make it happen and couldn't. The real story here is the poor management practices that seemingly affect the NRL, not where Israel Folau is playing next year.
I find it amusing when people get into a guy for taking a job that pays more money. Like it or not playing footy is a job if you do it for cash.
Everyone gets upset and thinks that anyone who chooses to play anywhere but the NRL is a mercenary.
Perhaps he wants the opportunity to become a dual international, play overseas in places like Paris and FLorence, play in a world cup.
Maybe he wants a challenge.
Maybe he just wanted a secure contract and did not feel that it was working out.
Even if simply wanted to take the cash, it is his choice, he prob grew up poor and wants to secure a future for him and his family.
bottom line, whatever his motives he has the right to choose what he does for a living.
The AFL had no hard feelings letting him go, yet the NRL community think not signing with him rates his character somewhere between Pol Pot and Adolf Hitler
Everyone gets upset and thinks that anyone who chooses to play anywhere but the NRL is a mercenary.
Perhaps he wants the opportunity to become a dual international, play overseas in places like Paris and FLorence, play in a world cup.
Maybe he wants a challenge.
Maybe he just wanted a secure contract and did not feel that it was working out.
Even if simply wanted to take the cash, it is his choice, he prob grew up poor and wants to secure a future for him and his family.
bottom line, whatever his motives he has the right to choose what he does for a living.
The AFL had no hard feelings letting him go, yet the NRL community think not signing with him rates his character somewhere between Pol Pot and Adolf Hitler
Citizen_Tiger
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Too right Goose and morons like Paul Kent, Ricky Stuart and Danny Weidler are winding up the masses. I find it laughable that a bloke like Stuart should talk about honour and principals. What? The guy they had to pull off a referee in a carpark?
Folau is a decent kid, with decent Christian principals. He's been straight forward with his explanation, but the halfwits want to blame him for the NRL's deficiencies? Matt Carroll confirmed this morning that they met with Folau in October, so Rugby was always in the mix. The NRL, like kids in a cot
Folau is a decent kid, with decent Christian principals. He's been straight forward with his explanation, but the halfwits want to blame him for the NRL's deficiencies? Matt Carroll confirmed this morning that they met with Folau in October, so Rugby was always in the mix. The NRL, like kids in a cot
tig_prmz
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@LaT said:
whose word?
i get what you're saying and i agree to an exxtent, but u have no idea what went on behind closed doors
folau wants to get his future secured asap.. nrl and the eels hesitated and he signed somewhere else. end of story.
folau as far as i know did nothing wrong
True, I don't know what was said behind closed doors. But I doubt Parra let 2 players go and negotiated with a 3rd just because Folau said he "might" want to play for them.
Stuart was taking meetings with Folau at Hillsong months before he quit AFL. Thats a fact.
Eels have played a part in this thing, zero doubt about it. If they told Folau to quit as they had a spot for him, only to find out they had ~$100k under the cap, that was a stupid move on their behalf.
"folau wants to get his future secured asap.. nrl and the eels said no and he signed somewhere else. end of story."
This part doesn't make sense. The Eels and NRL came to an agreement and the deal was done. If Folau wanted his future sorted, he could have signed that day. He didn't, he waited a few more days and signed with union for 1 year.
Stuart was taking meetings with Folau at Hillsong months before he quit AFL. Thats a fact.
Eels have played a part in this thing, zero doubt about it. If they told Folau to quit as they had a spot for him, only to find out they had ~$100k under the cap, that was a stupid move on their behalf.
"folau wants to get his future secured asap.. nrl and the eels said no and he signed somewhere else. end of story."
This part doesn't make sense. The Eels and NRL came to an agreement and the deal was done. If Folau wanted his future sorted, he could have signed that day. He didn't, he waited a few more days and signed with union for 1 year.
tig_prmz
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@LaT said:
u dont know if folau has even verbally agreed on signing with the eels… you can't assume that just coz they get rid of a couple of players.
"folau wants to get his future secured asap.. nrl and the eels said no and he signed somewhere else. end of story."
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This part doesn't make sense. The Eels and NRL came to an agreement and the deal was done. If Folau wanted his future sorted, he could have signed that day. He didn't, he waited a few more days and signed with union for 1 year.
i cant find the article where it says so, but somewhere it said that the NRL auditor guy wouldn't allow Folau anywhere under 400K per year, as eels were planning on backloading his contract. idk if im just imagining this? 😕 that's what i was referring to
nrl didn't allow that to happen, izzy said stuff this, imma look for something else, something better came up and he jumped on it.. who would have taken such a gamble?
i dont think folau has done anything unethical or wrong.
When the probability approaches the high 90% range you have to concede that some sort of commitment must have been made.
There is also the fact that the NRL and Eels reached an agreement before Folau signed with union.
I guess my anger at Folau comes back to the early articles like this:
Parramatta boss Ken Edwards was clearly upset at Folau's backflip, especially given the player's initial reasons for wanting to return to rugby league."We made him an unconditional, fully-compliant offer that he said no to," Edwards said. "Presumably he has had a much bigger financial offer from rugby. We are disappointed.
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"We did everything we could to give him everything he wanted. Remembering he was the one who approached us and told us he wanted to get out of the AFL and he wanted to play at the Eels and money wasn't an issue."To end up in this situation a month later where we did provide him with everything he needed and he decided to play rugby … he had a meeting with our head of recruitment Pete Nolan. The bottom line was he decided to pass up on our offer and play rugby."
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/israel-folau-shocks-parramatta-eels-by-turning-his-back-on-nrl-return-to-take-up-rugby-union/story-e6frexnr-1226527789062
There is also the fact that the NRL and Eels reached an agreement before Folau signed with union.
I guess my anger at Folau comes back to the early articles like this:
Parramatta boss Ken Edwards was clearly upset at Folau's backflip, especially given the player's initial reasons for wanting to return to rugby league."We made him an unconditional, fully-compliant offer that he said no to," Edwards said. "Presumably he has had a much bigger financial offer from rugby. We are disappointed.
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"We did everything we could to give him everything he wanted. Remembering he was the one who approached us and told us he wanted to get out of the AFL and he wanted to play at the Eels and money wasn't an issue."To end up in this situation a month later where we did provide him with everything he needed and he decided to play rugby … he had a meeting with our head of recruitment Pete Nolan. The bottom line was he decided to pass up on our offer and play rugby."
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/israel-folau-shocks-parramatta-eels-by-turning-his-back-on-nrl-return-to-take-up-rugby-union/story-e6frexnr-1226527789062
LaT makes it up as she goes along
Its the same situation when people defend SBW for sneaking out of the country,
LOL….its nothing even close to the same :unamused:
Its the same situation when people defend SBW for sneaking out of the country,
LOL….its nothing even close to the same :unamused:
westTAHger
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Folau is an employee looking to earn a decent pay packet.
if he can achieve this, then good on him.
do I be grudge him, no way.
it's his decision, and the only person he has to prove anything too, or keep satisfied is himself.
if he can achieve this, then good on him.
do I be grudge him, no way.
it's his decision, and the only person he has to prove anything too, or keep satisfied is himself.
tig_prmz
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@LaT said:
there is no hard proof of him giving his "Word" to the eels. no handshake deal, no nothing.. dont get what you're getting at.
if that's your only issue with him, imo it's pretty baseless
Tigerdave
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The real deal: secret $400k boost lured Izzy to Waratahs
Roy Masters
WHEN footballers say ''it is not about the money'', it invariably is.
What hasn't been disclosed in Israel Folau's one-year Waratahs deal is a secret top-up of $400,000 from the ARU.
Folau's manager, Isaac Moses, is happy for the public to believe Folau is being paid only $250,000 by the Waratahs, in an attempt to avoid any perception his client is a money hungry, code-hopping mercenary.
Despite Moses's denials that Folau is receiving a top-up, the Herald understands he will receive $400,000 from the ARU in addition to the Waratahs $250,000, meaning he will receive $650,000 for his year in rugby union.
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The union's acting chief executive, Matt Carroll, refused to comment on Folau's top-up, saying: ''We never have and never will divulge what we pay.''
The Waratahs chief executive, Jason Allen, said: ''The ARU have definitely assisted us but don't declare the amount with us. It's their choice to talk about salaries.''
The $400,000 top-up is at the high end of the scale, consistent with the amount paid to rugby league defectors Wendell Sailor, Lote Tuqiri and Mat Rogers, who switched at the peak of their careers.
Folau has wasted two years in AFL land, losing confidence and tackling/passing skills, as well as about 10 kilograms of muscle mass, although Allen points out the ARU are also looking at him as a sevens player.
The ARU payment to Folau is guaranteed to cause rumblings among Australia's Super 15 teams, with players warned the code is tightening its belt and imposing a salary cap.
If the Wallabies are furious at Folau receiving $650,000, they will be feral at the knowledge Queensland Reds player Quade Cooper will earn a minimum $750,000 next year .
Thursday's press conference announcing an extension of Cooper's contract did not mention an ARU top-up of $350,000 to his $400,000 deal with the Reds. The top-up is exclusive of match payments.
That's the reward you get for referring to the Wallabies' culture under coach Robbie Deans as ''toxic''.
Cooper's manager, Khoder Nasser, and Moses - neither of whom are accredited with either the ARU or NRL - have been able to sell the idea their clients were coveted by NRL clubs.
St George Illawarra did not make an offer for Folau, yet the media reported he rejected the Dragons because he did not want to travel far from his west Sydney home.
Kellyville to Kogarah compared with Kellyville to Waratahs headquarters at Moore Park? Isn't there a back road to WIN Stadium in Wollongong?
Yet the public are expected to believe Folau wanted to stay close to his parents, despite being offered a mint by the Dragons when, in fact, no offer was made.
Sure, Folau's initial dealings with Parramatta were choked in NRL red tape, with Ian Schubert pricing him at $400,000 for salary cap purposes and refusing to back-load the deal.
Eventually, Schubert made a more realistic valuation of $250,000 and approved higher payments in the final years of the deal.
Folau blamed this vacillation for his rejection of the Eels deal but the reality is he will receive more in 2013 from the Waratahs than Parramatta, and he can join the Bulldogs in 2014 where the chief executive, Todd Greenberg, is best mates with Moses.
Yet the public has been told by Greater Western Sydney Giants' lunar coach, Kevin Sheedy, that Folau went to rugby because the NRL would have demanded he bag AFL.
The softly spoken, god-fearing Folau was unsuited to a crusade to convert people to AFL and incapable of broadcasting any mischief about it.
This is not to say he isn't calculating and considered when switching between locations and codes. His big career decisions go hand-in-hand with real estate manoeuvres.
The Storm were very upset when he left to play with the Broncos. Folau told Storm coach Craig Bellamy that his father, Eni Limoni Folau, dictated the move. Bellamy approached the father who said: ''It's Izzy's decision.''
A home in Brisbane was bought on behalf of the Folau family before Israel joined the Broncos; it was sold to Israel's parents for $350,000 two weeks after Israel played his last game for the Storm, the 2008 grand final. When Israel announced his AFL deal, ownership transferred again to Folau Investments whose directors are Israel and his father.
On October 31, 2010, Folau Investments bought a Kellyville property for $773,000 and the star's family live there. On November 18, 2010, Izzy began training with the Giants.
If Folau is very measured in what he does, maybe the ARU directors are as well. It's been pointed out to the Herald that the Mark Arbib report on governance is yet to be approved by the ARU board. It requires the support of the biggest vote holders, NSW and Queensland.
Their respective Super 15 teams have just landed two marquee players, Folau and Cooper, raising the question: at what price comes governance? Carroll scoffs at this linkage, saying: ''It is just a convergence of circumstances. The Quade Cooper contract took longer to be finalised than it should have. NSW and the Waratahs are separate entities. The Waratahs don't get a vote.
''It's just timing.''
Isn't it ever.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/the-real-deal-secret-400k-boost-lured-izzy-to-waratahs-20121207-2b0yv.html#ixzz2ER0wLhuz
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That'll probably cause some stir…..
Roy Masters
WHEN footballers say ''it is not about the money'', it invariably is.
What hasn't been disclosed in Israel Folau's one-year Waratahs deal is a secret top-up of $400,000 from the ARU.
Folau's manager, Isaac Moses, is happy for the public to believe Folau is being paid only $250,000 by the Waratahs, in an attempt to avoid any perception his client is a money hungry, code-hopping mercenary.
Despite Moses's denials that Folau is receiving a top-up, the Herald understands he will receive $400,000 from the ARU in addition to the Waratahs $250,000, meaning he will receive $650,000 for his year in rugby union.
Advertisement
The union's acting chief executive, Matt Carroll, refused to comment on Folau's top-up, saying: ''We never have and never will divulge what we pay.''
The Waratahs chief executive, Jason Allen, said: ''The ARU have definitely assisted us but don't declare the amount with us. It's their choice to talk about salaries.''
The $400,000 top-up is at the high end of the scale, consistent with the amount paid to rugby league defectors Wendell Sailor, Lote Tuqiri and Mat Rogers, who switched at the peak of their careers.
Folau has wasted two years in AFL land, losing confidence and tackling/passing skills, as well as about 10 kilograms of muscle mass, although Allen points out the ARU are also looking at him as a sevens player.
The ARU payment to Folau is guaranteed to cause rumblings among Australia's Super 15 teams, with players warned the code is tightening its belt and imposing a salary cap.
If the Wallabies are furious at Folau receiving $650,000, they will be feral at the knowledge Queensland Reds player Quade Cooper will earn a minimum $750,000 next year .
Thursday's press conference announcing an extension of Cooper's contract did not mention an ARU top-up of $350,000 to his $400,000 deal with the Reds. The top-up is exclusive of match payments.
That's the reward you get for referring to the Wallabies' culture under coach Robbie Deans as ''toxic''.
Cooper's manager, Khoder Nasser, and Moses - neither of whom are accredited with either the ARU or NRL - have been able to sell the idea their clients were coveted by NRL clubs.
St George Illawarra did not make an offer for Folau, yet the media reported he rejected the Dragons because he did not want to travel far from his west Sydney home.
Kellyville to Kogarah compared with Kellyville to Waratahs headquarters at Moore Park? Isn't there a back road to WIN Stadium in Wollongong?
Yet the public are expected to believe Folau wanted to stay close to his parents, despite being offered a mint by the Dragons when, in fact, no offer was made.
Sure, Folau's initial dealings with Parramatta were choked in NRL red tape, with Ian Schubert pricing him at $400,000 for salary cap purposes and refusing to back-load the deal.
Eventually, Schubert made a more realistic valuation of $250,000 and approved higher payments in the final years of the deal.
Folau blamed this vacillation for his rejection of the Eels deal but the reality is he will receive more in 2013 from the Waratahs than Parramatta, and he can join the Bulldogs in 2014 where the chief executive, Todd Greenberg, is best mates with Moses.
Yet the public has been told by Greater Western Sydney Giants' lunar coach, Kevin Sheedy, that Folau went to rugby because the NRL would have demanded he bag AFL.
The softly spoken, god-fearing Folau was unsuited to a crusade to convert people to AFL and incapable of broadcasting any mischief about it.
This is not to say he isn't calculating and considered when switching between locations and codes. His big career decisions go hand-in-hand with real estate manoeuvres.
The Storm were very upset when he left to play with the Broncos. Folau told Storm coach Craig Bellamy that his father, Eni Limoni Folau, dictated the move. Bellamy approached the father who said: ''It's Izzy's decision.''
A home in Brisbane was bought on behalf of the Folau family before Israel joined the Broncos; it was sold to Israel's parents for $350,000 two weeks after Israel played his last game for the Storm, the 2008 grand final. When Israel announced his AFL deal, ownership transferred again to Folau Investments whose directors are Israel and his father.
On October 31, 2010, Folau Investments bought a Kellyville property for $773,000 and the star's family live there. On November 18, 2010, Izzy began training with the Giants.
If Folau is very measured in what he does, maybe the ARU directors are as well. It's been pointed out to the Herald that the Mark Arbib report on governance is yet to be approved by the ARU board. It requires the support of the biggest vote holders, NSW and Queensland.
Their respective Super 15 teams have just landed two marquee players, Folau and Cooper, raising the question: at what price comes governance? Carroll scoffs at this linkage, saying: ''It is just a convergence of circumstances. The Quade Cooper contract took longer to be finalised than it should have. NSW and the Waratahs are separate entities. The Waratahs don't get a vote.
''It's just timing.''
Isn't it ever.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/the-real-deal-secret-400k-boost-lured-izzy-to-waratahs-20121207-2b0yv.html#ixzz2ER0wLhuz
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That'll probably cause some stir…..
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