Its a player problem

[DGilly]

It isn't a board problem, a Madge problem or anything like that - it's a player problem. Our team is filled with and for numerous years has been filled with lazy, undisciplined, mentally weak, poor character, inconsistent players. Its a player problem through and through.

How anyone could think a renowned idiot like TPJ who has some of the worst intangibles in the game would make this pack of lazy and pathetic players any better is beyond me.

We need players with character like Finucane, who always put in, prepare properly and do the basics every play - you know like actually stand at marker.

I'm so sick of it. Call a spade a spade. The reality is that a good 50% of player who have worn the WT jersey over the last 10 years are mentally weak, lazy, stupid and poorly diciplined.

You better believe I would have said a lot more if it was allowed

 

[Tcat]

The problem is that we are so crap and have crap for so long, that how do we attract the elite while they are elite. Our club is career suicide for a decent player.

 

[DGilly]

The problem is that we are so crap and have crap for so long, that how do we attract the elite while they are elite. Our club is career suicide for a decent player.

We can start by offering big dollars to quality characters like Finucane and not signing people who will make the problem worse like TPJ

 

[OzLuke]

The problem is that we are so crap and have crap for so long, that how do we attract the elite while they are elite. Our club is career suicide for a decent player.

we need to give our juniors a red hot go and not punt them after one or two games.

buying players on huge money won't work. hasn't for us so far.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

It isn't a board problem, a Madge problem or anything like that - it's a player problem. Our team is filled with and for numerous years has been filled with lazy, undisciplined, mentally weak, poor character, inconsistent players. Its a player problem through and through.

How anyone could think a renowned idiot like TPJ who has some of the worst intangibles in the game would make this pack of lazy and pathetic players any better is beyond me.

We need players with character like Finucane, who always put in, prepare properly and do the basics every play - you know like actually stand at marker.

I'm so sick of it. Call a spade a spade. The reality is that a good 50% of player who have worn the WT jersey over the last 10 years are mentally weak, lazy, stupid and poorly diciplined.

You better believe I would have said a lot more if it was allowed

However, so do you say that that Madge for his "activities" in last 2.5 years Madge shall be judged "not guilty"? This is except Packer and Mbye, his team! He made the team selection, prepares them for the game, and sets up tactics! No one denies that especially our "experienced" players, have failed again, but there is also his responsibility, otherwise what are coaches for?

 

[tigertuff]

We have never been successful buying other clubs players. We have only done well when we developed and bought through our own. Look who we have bought over the last few years - most have been poor and taken up large amount of our cap. We need to stop looking for blokes like tpj bj jtj and develop our own kids. More of the Alex Seyfarths and the like. Our jersey Flagg side and Reggie’s are going well - let’s keep the good ones from these teams and develop them through. Sheensy can’t come quick enough.

 

[DGilly]

It isn't a board problem, a Madge problem or anything like that - it's a player problem. Our team is filled with and for numerous years has been filled with lazy, undisciplined, mentally weak, poor character, inconsistent players. Its a player problem through and through.

How anyone could think a renowned idiot like TPJ who has some of the worst intangibles in the game would make this pack of lazy and pathetic players any better is beyond me.

We need players with character like Finucane, who always put in, prepare properly and do the basics every play - you know like actually stand at marker.

I'm so sick of it. Call a spade a spade. The reality is that a good 50% of player who have worn the WT jersey over the last 10 years are mentally weak, lazy, stupid and poorly diciplined.

You better believe I would have said a lot more if it was allowed

However, so do you say that that Madge for his "activities" in last 2.5 years Madge shall be judged "not guilty"? This is except Packer and Mbye, his team! He made the team selection, prepares them for the game, and sets up tactics! No one denies that especially our "experienced" players, have failed again, but there is also his responsibility, otherwise what are coaches for?

I can't blame the coach for the fact that players don't know how to line up at marker. That's like being a doctor and not knowing how to take a temperature. I do blame him and others for constantly recruiting lazy and pathetic (trying so hard to keep my language G rated) players who never put in.

We need to recruit character above all else. Lawrence, Taylor, Thompson etc. all never gave up and we don't seem to have a single player with their mental fortitude this year.

 

[OzLuke]

We have never been successful buying other clubs players. We have only done well when we developed and bought through our own. Look who we have bought over the last few years - most have been poor and taken up large amount of our cap. We need to stop looking for blokes like tpj bj jtj and develop our own kids. More of the Alex Seyfarths and the like. Our jersey Flagg side and Reggie’s are going well - let’s keep the good ones from these teams and develop them through. Sheensy can’t come quick enough.

look at cini...cult hero one week, rough game the next then dropped....now mamaulo is here what is cini to think or do?

he should've had a longer run in the team imo

 

[hobbo1]

It’s all attitude

 

[Rugba]

Have to find the best defensive forwards and pay big to get them .. build steel in the pack so the young ones can learn.
I look at what brad Arthur did , whilst they ended up over the cap and helped them , he bought in watmough and beau scott and the softest of packs has gradually gotten better over the years .
Just like Flanagan and sharks built the pack - or Bennett making sure he brought in hard head like Jeremy smith to dragons and knights

 

[OzLuke]

Have to find the best defensive forwards and pay big to get them .. build steel in the pack so the young ones can learn.
I look at what brad Arthur did , whilst they ended up over the cap and helped them , he bought in watmough and beau scott and the softest of packs has gradually gotten better over the years .
Just like Flanagan and sharks built the pack - or Bennett making sure he brought in hard head like Jeremy smith to dragons and knights

the marquee forward last offseason was fifita...would he have made much difference to our team? we would've broken the bank to land him but would it have been worth it?

 

[DGilly]

Have to find the best defensive forwards and pay big to get them .. build steel in the pack so the young ones can learn.
I look at what brad Arthur did , whilst they ended up over the cap and helped them , he bought in watmough and beau scott and the softest of packs has gradually gotten better over the years .
Just like Flanagan and sharks built the pack - or Bennett making sure he brought in hard head like Jeremy smith to dragons and knights

Exactly, we need the Matt Priors of the world. They don't have to be world beaters but they need to be someone who'll never give up, always put their best foot forward and never shy away from a battle.

 

[Guest]

I think it's a combo of both - combination of lack of talent combined with lack of discipline, attitude and effort. And the final piece is a combination of poor coaching - game plans, defensive structure...not good enough.

 

[Rugba]

Have to find the best defensive forwards and pay big to get them .. build steel in the pack so the young ones can learn.
I look at what brad Arthur did , whilst they ended up over the cap and helped them , he bought in watmough and beau scott and the softest of packs has gradually gotten better over the years .
Just like Flanagan and sharks built the pack - or Bennett making sure he brought in hard head like Jeremy smith to dragons and knights

the marquee forward last offseason was fifita...would he have made much difference to our team? we would've broken the bank to land him but would it have been worth it?

No but he is useless in defence , you need hard heads with steel , not highlight real players

Stefano is a good young player , but he is not going to learn shit with the players in the pack .

 

[BAGNF05]

It isn't a board problem, a Madge problem or anything like that - it's a player problem. Our team is filled with and for numerous years has been filled with lazy, undisciplined, mentally weak, poor character, inconsistent players. Its a player problem through and through.

How anyone could think a renowned idiot like TPJ who has some of the worst intangibles in the game would make this pack of lazy and pathetic players any better is beyond me.

We need players with character like Finucane, who always put in, prepare properly and do the basics every play - you know like actually stand at marker.

I'm so sick of it. Call a spade a spade. The reality is that a good 50% of player who have worn the WT jersey over the last 10 years are mentally weak, lazy, stupid and poorly diciplined.

You better believe I would have said a lot more if it was allowed

Agree. Except somebody keeps signing these guys

 

[tony soprano]

It isn't a board problem, a Madge problem or anything like that - it's a player problem. Our team is filled with and for numerous years has been filled with lazy, undisciplined, mentally weak, poor character, inconsistent players. Its a player problem through and through.

How anyone could think a renowned idiot like TPJ who has some of the worst intangibles in the game would make this pack of lazy and pathetic players any better is beyond me.

We need players with character like Finucane, who always put in, prepare properly and do the basics every play - you know like actually stand at marker.

I'm so sick of it. Call a spade a spade. The reality is that a good 50% of player who have worn the WT jersey over the last 10 years are mentally weak, lazy, stupid and poorly diciplined.

You better believe I would have said a lot more if it was allowed

The board and coached picked em it’s an everything problem

 

[tiger magpie]

TPJ

Cast your mind back over the last 10 years. Almost every player who has left the club has progressed, and every named player who has come to the club has regressed.

 

[rustycage]

Have to find the best defensive forwards and pay big to get them .. build steel in the pack so the young ones can learn.
I look at what brad Arthur did , whilst they ended up over the cap and helped them , he bought in watmough and beau scott and the softest of packs has gradually gotten better over the years .
Just like Flanagan and sharks built the pack - or Bennett making sure he brought in hard head like Jeremy smith to dragons and knights

the marquee forward last offseason was fifita...would he have made much difference to our team? we would've broken the bank to land him but would it have been worth it?

Not really, he's hardly set the world on fire with the Tantits

 

[FinestTigers]

However you define it, every team would have some of these players that are described as mentally weak,, some players are shy some are inarteculate and some are easily intimidated,
But even when a player has these types of weaknesses the player is able to make them look less obvious by showing their football skills and physical strength,
And if the player is still unable to cover up their weaknesses by showing their strength and skills then all we will see from them is
Childish simple errors time after time, game after game.

 

[TigerSJ]

As fans we don't really know what is going on within the club and why we are what we are. The "soft underbelly" tag seems to fit, and just when we think we are on the right path we come to the extremely disappointing realisation that we are nowhere near it and the light at the end of the tunnel isn't getting brighter.

So what does this mean for recruitment and retention? Why would any quality player want to come to the WTs? Apart from being offered way more $$ than they could get elsewhere, which begs the question, is a player who is only interested in the most money really the type you want?
Then another question is, why would any star junior player stay at the WTs if he is offered a chance to go to a winning club with a quality roster. The sad fact from the past is that good players don't come to us and become stars, the good ones leave us and become stars elsewhere.

Maybe this is why we have enlisted Sheens - maybe we realise the only way we will find success is to build it from the youngsters up. Bring them on together through the grades (just like the Panthers), hang on to as many as we can, hopefully while they win together in the lower grades they will want to stay together.