OFFICIAL Lachlan Galvin #277

Correction. Little Fainu seems to be off the cuff. Plays what he sees in front of him.. Like Galvin an instinct player. Just they are different in thinking. The bottom line is we have a top 8 team on paper. Benji. Hope you are listening.
 
It is not possible to play off the cuff at NRL level without structure. The players that benefit from unstructured play are those knowing where they need to be so that Luai, Galvin and Api can hit them without thinking. That is why Penrith and Melbourne are so good at it!

Unstructured footy without structure is just park footy on the weekend with your mates.
 
Jolls said:
It is not possible to play off the cuff at NRL level without structure. The players that benefit from unstructured play are those knowing where they need to be so that Luai, Galvin and Api can hit them without thinking. That is why Penrith and Melbourne are so good at it!

Unstructured footy without structure is just park footy on the weekend with your mates.
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Would help if outside and inside would expect the unexpected not stand there like dummies, our support play has been bad previously even on the simplest of plays.
 
Rock Hopper Steve said:
Would help if outside and inside would expect the unexpected not stand there like dummies, our support play has been bad previously even on the simplest of plays.
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That is exactly the problem RHS. They don't have the structure to support the plays that guys like Api pull off. They simply need to be running the lines and expect the ball. Just like to old X and Y play - the reciever only needs to know that he is running a line at a specific player - they guy with the ball is responsible for moving him out of the line. He runs the X or Y route, depending on what he sees in front of him. If the player follows him he gives it to the hole runner if he doesn't he goes through the gap, deep into the line or shovels it out.

This is exactly how unstructured players operate - the recievers simply need to run at holes (or holes that may be created) and expect the ball every time (knowing they may receive it 1 in 3 or so).
 
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Vicious said:
In theory yes, but none of Melbourne Storm’s spine are what you would really call structured and it generally works for them.
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It only works because the receivers know where they should run and the spine picks up somone who has not been covered. (see above)
 
Jolls said:
That is exactly the problem RHS. They don't have the structure to support the plays that guys like Api pull off. They simply need to be running the lines and expect the ball. Just like to old X and Y play - the reciever only needs to know that he is running a line at a specific player - they guy with the ball is responsible for moving him out of the line. He runs the X or Y route, depending on what he sees in front of him. If the player follows him he gives it to the hole runner if he doesn't he goes through the gap, deep into the line or shovels it out.

This is exactly how unstructured players operate - the recievers simply need to run at holes (or holes that amy be created) and expect the ball every time (knowing they may receive it 1 in 3 or so.
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Very well explained Jolls 👍
Serious question, do you think our coaching staff in conjunction with the players we currently have are smart enough and good enough to implement this ?
 
Jolls said:
That is exactly the problem RHS. They don't have the structure to support the plays that guys like Api pull off. They simply need to be running the lines and expect the ball. Just like to old X and Y play - the reciever only needs to know that he is running a line at a specific player - they guy with the ball is responsible for moving him out of the line. He runs the X or Y route, depending on what he sees in front of him. If the player follows him he gives it to the hole runner if he doesn't he goes through the gap, deep into the line or shovels it out.

This is exactly how unstructured players operate - the recievers simply need to run at holes (or holes that amy be created) and expect the ball every time (knowing they may receive it 1 in 3 or so.
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Let's hope the fitness levels have improved to a point that clarity of thought under fatigue is much higher like the top teams.
 
Vicious said:
Very well explained Jolls 👍
Serious question, do you think our coaching staff in conjunction with the players we currently have are smart enough and good enough to implement this ?
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Without a doubt we have players with the skill - Luai does it naturally, Latu has demonstrated it, Bird certainly understands it and Api does it around the ruck.

Galvin is more of a runner, but I am sure he would be able to execute an X/Y with any edge player. I am actually surprised that we don't see more of the X/Y plays as most defences are very structured to combat the block plays. This is one of the play that Slater and Smith used to pull up the middle of the park.

The key is having the support players in motion. Benji will understand it better than most as he used to pass 20m to where a player was supposed to be. When it comes off it is spectacular when it doesn't the ball could end up in the third row of spectators. The play doesn't have to be that brazen or expansive. If you can move a defender 2 feet and have a player running where he used to be that is enough to split them. The key is that he has to be running that line

Api has been left without support so may times as we didn't have the structure to support him. You can see that building.

Seyfarth's try off Latu towards the end of last season shows how easy it can be. Seyfarth just had to hold a line; Latu did the work. If the defender had dropped off because they picked up the runner, Latu would have held the pill and gone through the line, or at worst or dug very deep into the line, before shoveling the ball, or kicking, to his outside backs.

Are we coaching this? I wish I knew - too far away for me to get down the park to have a squiz. I'm hoping some of the locals can get down to trainign and report back.
 
Rock Hopper Steve said:
Let's hope the fitness levels have improved to a point that clarity of thought under fatigue is much higher like the top teams.
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While I understand where you are coming from it actually takes less fitness to play structured footy because you knwo your role and aren't running around like a headless chook unless you are the Munsters, Luais and Walkers of this world.

If I was and edge I would love to be playing along side of Roney or Latu. Run my lines and pick up the glory!
 
AmericanHistoryX said:
Correction. Little Fainu seems to be off the cuff. Plays what he sees in front of him.. Like Galvin an instinct player. Just they are different in thinking. The bottom line is we have a top 8 team on paper. Benji. Hope you are listening.
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I don’t share ur call about been a top 8 team , YES we got a great backline and some very good forwards , but we lack backrowers and our depth in the forwards is poor
 
Jolls said:
While I understand where you are coming from it actually takes less fitness to play structured footy because you knwo your role and aren't running around like a headless chook unless you are the Munsters, Luais and Walkers of this world.

If I was and edge I would love to be playing along side of Roney or Latu. Run my lines and pick up the glory!
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If I was rich would definately buy a yacht
 
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