NRL Broadcasting Rights Thread

Tiger_Watto

New member
<big>**Optus wins landmark web broadcast rights case**</big>
Lucy Battersby February 1, 2012 - 3:29PM
\
\
Optus has won a landmark court case which shatters Telstra's stranglehold over internet sports broadcasting and poses an immediate threat to the Australian Football League's recent broadcast rights deals.

Justice Steven Rares of the Federal Court in Sydney this afternoon decided Optus will be granted court protection from copyright claims by the AFL, Telstra and National Rugby League over its TV Now Service.

While Telstra and the sporting bodies are likely to appeal the decision, this will not happen before the AFL season starts on March 24 and the NRL season starts on March 1.

Optus customers can record and watch matches screened on free-to-air television and replay with delays as short as two minutes on some devices. This is in direct competition to Telstra’s exclusive deal with the AFL and NRL to broadcast matches live over the internet.

'Modern interpretation of the video recorder'

Justice Rare’s decision was based on time-shifting provisions in the Copyright Act which allow individuals to record and watch a show at a more convenient time.

Optus’s lawyers successfully argued that TV Now was a modern interpretation of the video recorder because a separate recording was made for each individual. Optus stores the recording at a data centre and sends it to individuals via the internet on request - known as cloud storage.

The decision clarifies the legal interpretation of Australia’s Copyright Act, which was written before internet broadcasting became common.

However, it also devalues the exclusive internet broadcast rights for sporting bodies in Australia.

Justice Rares found that when Optus customers ‘'clicked'’ on record they were programming a recording for their individual use. Therefore Optus was not re-broadcasting copyrighted material to the public.

‘‘I found that such a recording or film was made by the user to watch it at a time he or she considered to be more convenient than when the live broadcast occurred, even if only by minutes.

‘‘I decided that Optus’s TV Now service did not infringe copyright in the broadcasts of the AFL and NRL games in the particular ways that the rightholders alleged," he said.

"However, some other issues may still need to be resolved. These include whether Optus infringes copyright because the technology used to make a recording in the format suitable for certain Apple devices creates and stores six temporary files of 10 seconds duration every minute, and then deletes the first 10-second file as the latest one is added one minute later.’’

Appeal is possible

Telstra, AFL and NRL were ordered to pay Optus’s costs. Leave has already been granted for the parties to appeal the decision to a full bench of the Federal Court.

Justice Rares noted that the case is not fully settled until the parties have resolved the issue of near-live streaming. Optus's equipment uses four streaming methods, one of which is Apple QuickTime Streaming. This allows Optus to replay recordings at delays of as little as 60 seconds. Users cannot watch recordings until a show is finished on other devices.

The parties agreed to treat this issue separately, and Optus must still convince the court that this service does not infringe on the AFL or NRL's copyright. If this decision falls against Optus it may have not have court protection to sell TV Now on Apple devices and may be liable for copyright infringement.

Speaking outside court, Telstra spokesman Craig Middleton said the company was considering its options including an appeal to the full court of the Federal Court, and did not rule out that there may need to be legislative reform in the copyright area.

''This is an early stage. We remain committed to protecting the content rights in which Telstra has invested, in which the sporting bodies rely for income and which ultimately flows through to the fans of our sports,'' he said.

When asked whether Telstra would tear up its $153 million contract with the AFL, he said: '' I don't think that is the case at the moment, what we're focused on is bringing live AFL coverage through our online and mobile services this year.''

He also did not believe negotiations with the NRL for rugby league rights would be put on hold because of the court ruling.

'Win for innovation'

Optus spokeswoman Clare Gill said the decision was ''a win for Australians, for innovation and the law''.

''Optus is very pleased with today's outcome. TV Now is a personal video recording device that allows Optus customers to record free-to-air television and replay it at a time more convenient to them. That is how the product was developed and we're pleased the court found that today.''

When pressed whether it was unfair to the rights holders that Optus subscribers could watch live events with only a two-minute delay, she said. TV Now was ''no different from any other personal video recording device'', and that the 2006 amendments to the Copyright Act ''allowed for these type of innovations''.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/optus-wins-landmark-web-broadcast-rights-case-20120201-1qsqi.html
 
Just when everything looked rosy for the NRL and the clubs

The NRL could end up with less than the last deal

Some clubs (including ours) might have to frantically offload players before 2013 especially if we have any backended deals This is a real big worry
 
Its a tricky one this is. As a consumer I'm all for Optus, but I realise this ruling has huge ramifactions on the NRL broadcasting negotiations and our game as a whole.

I have to sit on the fence for the time being and see how this plays out. Hopefully there is some medium met, where consumers have options but the broadcasting contracts values aren't substantially diminished. What that medium is….....buggered if I know!
 
The effect on the TV deal will be minimal (if any) according to an interview this morning, it is the internet deal that is greatly affected, perhaps near worthless.
 
@Goose said:
The effect on the TV deal will be minimal (if any) according to an interview this morning, it is the internet deal that is greatly affected, perhaps near worthless.

Goose if it worthless why are the NRL ,AFL and Telstra fighting it for and more than likely to appeal it

It has far more worth and far reaching ramifications than most people can see Well we will wait and see then
 
@Goose said:
The effect on the TV deal will be minimal (if any) according to an interview this morning, it is the internet deal that is greatly affected, perhaps near worthless.

At this moment it may not have a major effect however with the advent of smart TV/internet TV the future of live sport is more likely to be via streaming - with this ruling Optus can avoid paying anything to the rights owner for FTA sport and then stream direct to TV with a 2 minute lag. Clever business.
 
@happy tiger said:
@Goose said:
The effect on the TV deal will be minimal (if any) according to an interview this morning, it is the internet deal that is greatly affected, perhaps near worthless.

Goose if it worthless why are the NRL ,AFL and Telstra fighting it for and more than likely to appeal it

It has far more worth and far reaching ramifications than most people can see Well we will wait and see then

The internet rights which telstra paid $150 mil over 5 years are worthless,not the ruling, which i think you have interpreted my comment to mean.

Ive heard that it will have a minor effect on free to air, and pay TV rights might even increase somewhat, but the internet rights are now worthless, and as Died Pretty has said, moving forward that is a big issue.
 
Am I reading this wrong?

Optus will only offer FTA streaming.
Telstra will be able to offer all games.

It's a bit different
 
<big>**Gallop: call on screen rights to hit players, fans**</big>
Josh Rakic February 3, 2012

NRL chief executive David Gallop says players and fans will be the worst affected by a landmark Federal Court ruling that protects Optus TV Now from copyright laws, allowing the telco to stream sports vision via the internet on a two-minute delay.

The AFL stands to lose as much as $153 million in its online deal with Telstra should an appeal fail.

The NRL is to negotiate a new broadcasting deal this year and Gallop said if copyright laws were not amended then sport at every level would suffer.

''It has a direct knock-on effect because the money that sports make from selling these content packages funds the clubs, the players and the grassroots of the game," he said yesterday. ''We are a business where money comes in the door and gets distributed out the door, and if there's less money coming in then all the game's stakeholders miss out to varying degrees. And that would include the clubs and the players …

''Rugby league hasn't done its media deals so we are not in a position where any existing contracts are under threat. But we would still like to see a successful appeal or an amendment to the legislation as quickly as possible."

Justice Steven Rares in the Federal Court in Sydney on Wednesday ruled that the Optus TV Now service did not breach copyright because individual consumers were responsible for requesting each recording and that Optus kept separate recordings for each customer - on as little as a two-minute delay.

The technology allows Optus to transmit shows, such as live football matches, on delays of one to two minutes to mobile phones and tablet devices. A possible loss of $150 million because of the effect of the ruling on screening rights would devastate the NRL. The entire premiership salary cap for its 16 teams is around half that amount.

''It's very likely to be appealed, which the judge foreshadowed during the hearing," Gallop said. ''As it stands, the decision has the potential to seriously devalue the ability of sports like ours to sell exclusive content across the various platforms …

''The technology has gotten ahead of the law on this one."

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/gallop-call-on-screen-rights-to-hit-players-fans-20120202-1qvnq.html
 
<big>**Lapsed NZ TV deal in sights as commission gets set to hit ground running**</big>
Brad Walter February 7, 2012

A NEW television agreement in New Zealand is set to be the first deal finalised under the independent commission that will take over the running of rugby league this week.

The independent commission, led by IT guru and former league international John Grant, will officially assume control of the game from News Ltd and the ARL on Friday.

While Grant and the other seven commissioners - Ian Elliott, Catherine Harris, Jeremy Sutcliffe, Wayne Pearce, Chris Sarra, Peter Gregg and Gary Pemberton - were announced last July, negotiations between lawyers from News Ltd, the ARL and the game's other stakeholders have left many of the game's most pressing issues on hold until now.

However, regular meetings between the commissioners, key NRL officials and other stakeholders have ensured the game's new decision makers are ready to hit the ground running after formally taking control.

Among their first priorities will be kick-starting negotiations for new television, internet and sponsorship deals, which all expire at the end of the season.

Even more pressing is the New Zealand TV deal after the agreement with Sky TV expired at the end of the season.

The pay-TV broadcaster aired last weekend's All Stars game and will televise the Charity Shield between South Sydney and St George Illawarra on February 18 but three weeks from the start of the season the NRL has no television deal in the country that holds the World Cup and provided one of last year's grand finalists, the New Zealand Warriors.

Sky executives say they tabled an offer late last year but were told that nothing could be agreed to without the consent of the independent commission.

Surprisingly, the Kiwi broadcaster is believed to have initially offered less than the $14 million a season Sky has been paying in previous seasons but the new deal is expected to be worth a similar amount as it will be a rollover of the last agreement for a year.

Such a move would give the commission more time to negotiate a better deal in 12 months' time and also bring the New Zealand and Australian television rights deals into line with each other.

Channel Nine, Seven and Ten have all been involved in discussions for the free-to-air rights, with the latter believed to be interested in broadcasting games on Sunday and Monday nights.

Telstra's deals for sponsorship of the NRL premiership and new media rights are also due to expire at the end of the season and it is expected that officials will meet with the telco once the independent commission is in place.

Telstra recently signed a $153 million deal with the AFL to broadcast matches via the internet but the value of that arrangement is now in doubt after last week's Federal Court ruling allowing Optus customers to watch games on mobiles, tablets and computers for free.

Some officials have suggested the ruling could strip one-fifth of the value from the new media deal the NRL negotiates but the court decision is set to be challenged on appeal and the rival football codes are lobbying the federal government to amend Australia's Copyright Act.

The amount of income the game earns from the next broadcast deal and new media rights will have a significant impact on the size of the salary cap that each club can spend and how much players are paid.

The Herald has been told that clubs are operating on an understanding that the salary cap will rise to $5 million next season but nothing will be decided until the television deal is finalised.

The boss of the NRL, David Gallop, who has recently finalised a four-year contract extension to oversee the game's new administration, has been working towards ensuring annual grants to clubs match the salary cap and that will be largely determined by the value of the television deal.

Club bosses were told at last year's NRL summit officials are hoping for between $1 billion and $1.4 billion for the broadcast rights. The AFL negotiated $1.1 billion in its latest deal with Channel Seven, Foxtel and Telstra.
\
\
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/lapsed-nz-tv-deal-in-sights-as-commission-gets-set-to-hit-ground-running-20120206-1r1xr.html
 
Does anyone know what the current deal is for the rights with the NRL ??

Losing 20% will not be good at all

Channel 10 looking at FTA Sundays and Mondays Like that idea :smiley:
 
the current deal is $500m ish for 5 years
Apparently all reports are around $800m will be about the mark, maybe a little more.
 
the laws which optus are taking advantage of, were originally put in place to protect the average joe at home, so basically you could not get sued for taping a TV show at home to watch later.

When these laws were put in place the technology was far different and you would need to finish taping the show before you could take it out of the recorder and watch it, but now with Optus's TV Now/The cloud, TIVO and FOX IQ you can start watching it after a minute or 2.

Surely laws need to be changed so that you cant access or rewatch live sporting events until the event has concluded. As Optus has exclusive mobile rights for the Australian Open (Tennis) It will be interesting to see what Optus does if someone brings out a product similar to TV now and people start recording the tennis and watching it on their mobile with another carrier.
 
WT,

Why? What is the difference in terms of copyright if I was to watch a programme 2 mins after it started as to 1 hour later?

Ignoring the Optus use, why shouldnt I be able to record "My Kitchen Rules" and start watching it 10 mins after it starts. Many people record these programmes when they are cooking or perhaps to avoid missing the start on the way home for work. I often record the Friday night footy for this purpose as I dont get home until 8pm. Why should I have to wait until 9.30pm to start watching the game?

The reality is that the NRL and AFL (and the broadcasters) are understandably trying to use copyright law to protect a commercial advantage. Unfortunately, copyright law does not always fit so nicely to such aims.
 
Fully understand and from the point of the consumer the new technology is great, I agree I use it myself. I love sport but in my way of thinking believe I am putting the game before myself. The lawyers need to get together and work out exactly what constitutes live streaming.

In the long run by enabling any company to record a free to air game and replay it minutes later through their own network/services cheapens any TV deal with the free to air stations and will push sporting organisations even more towards pay television. Only showing a bare minimum on FTA television. Which I am sure the majority of Australians dont want.

My point of view takes into account the good of the game because without the money from television rights, which sporting organisations, especially the NRL, rely on you might not have a friday night game to record.
 
WT,

so long as the integrity of the broadcast is maintained i.e. advertisments are not cut out then I doubt FTA channels care. In fact, they can probably say to their advertisers that more people will be watching the ads.

Foxsports is a whole different kettle of fish of course.
 
Well ads can be skipped if your recording. but anyway lets hope the independant commission can achieve a good result, but with the current optus ruling the way it stands the NRL will be getting at least 150mil less than the AFL as there is no way Telstra is going to pay as they did for the AFL rights
 
Telstra may still pay but a lesser amount.

At the moment it only affects the 3 free at air games a round, Optus don't have access to FOX games so Telstra can still show these games online without any competition. Also Telstra don't have (as far as I know) a product similar to TV Now, so they would be losing those games completely if they didn't go for the rights.
 
Can't find it now on smh.com.au, but they had an article listed earlier from Roy Masters talking about this deal.

Had a ridiculous statement in there about people betting on NRL from Melbourne having to wait until almost Midnight to see the results of their bets on Free To Air. He does know that there is this thing called the Internet these days that display sports results as they happen, not after the free to air network decides to show it in the local area.

EDIT: Found the link http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/court-has-gambled-with-codes-futures-20120207-1r4qm.html
and the quote

If your wager is one of the cross-code multiples where you link an NRL game with an AFL one, it will also be more convenient to access Optus TV Now than search the crowded bar to see if the Melbourne AFL match is being shown live on another screen.
>
If you live in Melbourne and your bet is, say, a five-leg cross-code multi-bet where you have linked three NRL games with two AFL ones, you won't wait until Nine screens the Sunday afternoon NRL game at midnight to see whether your bet has succeeded.
 

Members online

Back
Top